DO THE NEW BIBLES MAKE JESUS A LIAR?

[DougE]

[John 7:8 KJV] "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come."
[John 7:8 NIV] "You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come."" ********** Jesus said he wouldn't go to the feast YET, but the NIV removes yet ****** [John 7:10 KJV] "But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret." ********* Jesus did go to feast. The NIV makes Jesus a liar because he told them he wasn't going.

What I find interesting is the NIV has a footnote saying "Some manuscripts not yet". If some had yet, why did they decide to omit it? By the way, if not yet was in other manuscripts, this rules out saying a scribe added it.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings DougE,

What is/was the context of the verse you have isolated?


Bless you ....><>

 

[DougE]

Greetings DougE,

What is/was the context of the verse you have isolated?


Bless you ....><>

Please elaborate
What do you mean?

 

[Rockerduck]

Please elaborate
What do you mean?

DougE is saying that in the KJV, Jesus says He isn't going YET to the festival. The NIV states Jesus says He isn't going, then goes.. The NIV says Jesus lied.

My 1984 NIV put YET in both places though and it is correct.

 

[DougE]

Greetings DougE,

What is/was the context of the verse you have isolated?


Bless you ....><>

[John 7:2 KJV] "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand."

I dont know what you mean by asking about context
[John 7:2 KJV] "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand." ******* it was simply about attending the feast

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

After John 7:2 and before John 7:8, there is dialogue from who, to who, about what?

That gives some clearer context.


Bless you ....><>

PS. The earliest manuscripts did not have 'yet'.
Take a study and discover what changed things.

 

[DougE]

Greetings,

After John 7:2 and before John 7:8, there is dialogue from who, to who, about what?

That gives some clearer context.


Bless you ....><>

PS. The earliest manuscripts did not have 'yet'.
Take a study and discover what changed things.

That further dialogue has no bearing on the fact that not going up yet was omitted

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

That did not answer my question(s)

Perhaps study it a bit. You'll find 'yet' was included to specifically make the context of those verses less open for attack from critics.

If we don't include the context, we err.


Bless you ....><>

 

[DougE]

Greetings,

That did not answer my question(s)

Perhaps study it a bit. You'll find 'yet' was included to specifically make the context of those verses less open for attack from critics.

If we don't include the context, we err.


Bless you ....><>

You dont need context to see a word or verse isnt there

 

[DougE]

Perhaps study it a bit. You'll find 'yet' was included to specifically make the context of those verses less open for attack from critics.

Your opinion
There are no originals to make the assertion "yet" wasnt found in them

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Your opinion

No.

There are no originals to make the assertion "yet" wasnt found in them

That might be correct. However, I referred to manuscripts (which were in use).

As this is a Bible Study, it is good to work together.
My original points about the context are important to the 'yet' subject you raised and well worth expanding upon.

Who said what to who about what?


Bless you ....><>

 

[DougE]

Greetings,




No.

That might be correct. However, I referred to manuscripts (which were in use).

As this is a Bible Study, it is good to work together.
My original points about the context are important to the 'yet' subject you raised and well worth expanding upon.

Who said what to who about what?


Bless you ....><>

I have plenty of posts in which we can have a Bible study discussion
My point in posting these differences is just to make people aware of them as they are easily overlooked and to expound on how doctrine is affected by the changes. I am not interested in endless discussion in regard to manuscripts