Did Billy Graham "Perish" or "Reap Everlasting Life"?

[Michael BoryAlis]

Are you answering my question to Michael?
Because if you are, I'm not quite sure of your answer because Jhn 8:51 NKJV - "Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death."
Unless you want to add more context to your answer

With the Love of Christ Jesus.y
YBIC
Nick
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Is there something you don't understand in John 8:51?
Do you want to think it only means ' spiritual death?
You'll have to think through the ramifications of 'No Spiritual Death'.

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Matt 3:10; "The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Luke 3:9; "Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
John 15:6; "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Mark 9:47; "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:48; where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:25; "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

The resurrection has not already happened.

2Tim 2:18; men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.

This will happen when Christ returns and the trumpet is sounded.

1Cor 15:52; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
1Thes 4:16; For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Rev 20:10; And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:15; And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Matt 3:10; "The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matt 7:19; "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Luke 3:9; "Indeed the axe is already laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire."
John 15:6; "If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Jude 1:7; just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Mark 9:47; "If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell,
Mark 9:48; where THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED.

Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'
Luke 16:25; "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony.
Luke 16:28; for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so the t they will not also come to this place of torment.'

Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW - Rev 21:5

 

[B-A-C]

Behold, I make ALL THINGS NEW - Rev 21:5

..and so He shall, one day.

Isa 65:17; "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.
Isa 66:22; "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.
2Pet 3:13; But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Matt 5:18; "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Luke 21:33; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
2Pet 3:10; But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

..and so He shall, one day.

Isa 65:17; "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind.
Isa 66:22; "For just as the new heavens and the new earth Which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.
2Pet 3:13; But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Matt 5:18; "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.n

Luke 21:33; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
2Pet 3:10; But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

It's called the Abrahamic Covenant - the Restoration of ALL THINGS (Acts 3:19-26)

 

[Christ4Ever]

It's pretty obvious by your language, you intend on dying physically in order to see Bill in "Glory Land".

Jesus said, "He that keeps my sayings shall NEVER SEE DEATH" - John 8:51, a verse not preached in the death-cults of christianity.

Is there something you don't understand in John 8:51?
Do you want to think it only means ' spiritual death?
You'll have to think through the ramifications of 'No Spiritual Death'.

Dear Michael,
What I'm seeking from you is an answer to what you believe, because you are rather inconsistent, or are seeking to go fishing to see where I stand?

Your 1st post above, implies that there is no "physical" death, and you use John 8:51 to make this case.

Your 2nd post above to me, seems to suggest that it's "spiritual death" being talked about. So, does this mean you do believe in a physical death, and that what is being talked about by our Lord, is Spiritual Death?

As far as your question about death. The better one to ask is "Who are you going to spend Eternity with?" or even "Where are you going to spend Eternity?".

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Michael BoryAlis]

You should ask yourself the question, 'What does Rev 21:4 mean by " AND THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH"?
If there is no more First Death, there can't be a Second Death.

Does this confuse your confusion?

 

[Christ4Ever]

You should ask yourself the question, 'What does Rev 21:4 mean by " AND THERE SHALL BE NO MORE DEATH"?
If there is no more First Death, there can't be a Second Death.

Does this confuse your confusion?

Dear Michael,
Only your inability to answer straight forward questions is confusing

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Michael BoryAlis]

Dear Michael,
What I'm seeking from you is an answer to what you believe, because you are rather inconsistent, or are seeking to go fishing to see where I stand?

Your 1st post above, implies that there is no "physical" death, and you use John 8:51 to make this case.

Your 2nd post above to me, seems to suggest that it's "spiritual death" being talked about. So, does this mean you do believe in a physical death, and that what is being talked about by our Lord, is Spiritual Death?

As far as your question about death. The better one to ask is "Who are you going to spend Eternity with?" or even "Where are you going to spend Eternity?".

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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You really don't want to know what I believe, because what I believe is the Bible. You and others here are being confused by scriptures that I am bringing up that are not taught in the circles you have dwelt in, like I Cor 15:28:
"AND GOD SHALL BE ALL IN ALL"

This confuses an Eternal Damnationist, and they begin asking what I believe.

Why don't you ask the Holy Spirit what He believes, since He will confirm the Word.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You really don't want to know what I believe, because what I believe is the Bible. You and others here are being confused by scriptures that I am bringing up that are not taught in the circles you have dwelt in, like I Cor 15:28:
"AND GOD SHALL BE ALL IN ALL"

This confuses an Eternal Damnationist, and they begin asking what I believe.

Why don't you ask the Holy Spirit what He believes, since He will confirm the Word.

Dear Michael,
There you go again, stating something that I can only assume is directed to me personally, and nothing to do with the questions I have asked.
@Br. Bear has asked patience of me, and because I love him so, I cannot refuse him so little a asking as this. For which you should be thankful.

For you are not the first to respond as you have, and only the Love of my Lord stops me from banning your for the additional comments you add that apparently you are either unable to control, or purposely use. You have clearly read something in my response to you, that you "feel" is erroneous, and so "feel" justified in voicing it as you have, without discussion that might have helped you to see if maybe it is you who have failed to understand what has been said to you, or if your words were truly justified.

Prayerfully ask how you might respond to this Dear Michael, that would bring unity and not division in the Body of Christ.

With the love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[Michael BoryAlis]

Dear Michael,
There you go again, stating something that I can only assume is directed to me personally, and nothing to do with the questions I have asked.
@Br. Bear has asked patience of me, and because I love him so, I cannot refuse him so little a asking as this. For which you should be thankful.

For you are not the first to respond as you have, and only the Love of my Lord stops me from banning your for the additional comments you add that apparently you are either unable to control, or purposely use. You have clearly read something in my response to you, that you "feel" is erroneous, and so "feel" justified in voicing it as you have, without discussion that might have helped you to see if maybe it is you who have failed to understand what has been said to you, or if your words were truly justified.

Prayerfully ask how you might respond to this Dear Michael, that would bring unity and not division in the Body of Christ.

With the love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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You've asked many questions, some of which would take too much time to answer, feel free to ask your most pressing question.

I'd like to ask you a question, what does "All Things" mean in Romans 11:36.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You've asked many questions, some of which would take too much time to answer, feel free to ask your most pressing question.

I'd like to ask you a question, what does "All Things" mean in Romans 11:36.

Dear Michael,

Rom 11:36 KJV - For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
All sufficiency
Source of all things
Sustainer of all things
All things flow to God
All Glory belongs to Him

It's His will be done.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Michael BoryAlis]

Dear Michael,

Rom 11:36 KJV - For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen.
All sufficiency
Source of all things
Sustainer of all things
All things flow to God
All Glory belongs to Him

It's His will be done.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Yes.
Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet.
For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.
But now we see not yet all things put under him.

"He gave him as a ransom for all to be testified in due time" - I Tim 2:6

 

[Christ4Ever]

You've asked many questions, some of which would take too much time to answer, feel free to ask your most pressing question.

Dear Michael,
I'll ask then.

The following verses from Revelation 20:11-15
Rev 20:11 KJV - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 KJV - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 KJV - And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 KJV - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 KJV - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Whose names are not written in the book of life, and are cast into the lake of fire?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Butch5]

From my understanding he perished, or did he have a fake funeral?

According to the Scriptures, man dies and goes back to dust until the Resurrection when God will raise him from the dead. Billy Graham will receive eternal life at the Resurrection.

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

According to the Scriptures, man dies and goes back to dust until the Resurrection when God will raise him from the dead. Billy Graham will receive eternal life at the Resurrection.

That's wide-open for interpretation.
He perished (died) because he "lived after the flesh" - Romans 8:13.

 

[Michael BoryAlis]

Dear Michael,
I'll ask then.

The following verses from Revelation 20:11-15
Rev 20:11 KJV - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 KJV - And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 KJV - And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 KJV - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 KJV - And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Whose names are not written in the book of life, and are cast into the lake of fire?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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As Rev 21:8 states, "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death".

Do you know any christians that are fearful, unbelieving, w.h.o.r.e.s, idolaters and liars?
I do, they're all over the place. Those living after the flesh; not going from glory to glory.

 

[Butch5]

That's wide-open for interpretation.
He perished (died) because he "lived after the flesh" - Romans 8:13.

The Scriptures teach that all people die and return to the dust. At the appointed time they will be resurrected. Those who believe with receive eternal life.

 

[Christ4Ever]

As Rev 21:8 states, "the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death".

Do you know any christians that are fearful, unbelieving, w.h.o.r.e.s, idolaters and liars?
I do, they're all over the place. Those living after the flesh; not going from glory to glory.

Dear Brother Michael,
I also know repentant ones who would have fit into that category but no longer do.

So, am I correct to believe that anyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life and is cast in the Lake of Fire (which was my question), is due to being unrepentant sinners and that is what you believe to be true?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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