Christ's Resurrection

[QuestionIt]

That's an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you might start one.

I'm asking YOU!

 

[QuestionIt]

The human body born of Mary, of the seed of David, died., and YHWH (the Word/Son) experienced human suffering and death (which Biblically does not equal the cessation of existence).
He did this to overcome death. Sin and sickness were atoned for ON the cross.

Bwahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha!
Oh- I forgot; in churchese "death" means "living in another forms", and "resurrection" the same thing!

 

[Brother Paul]

FYI: I highly recommend that we avoid Nisan dating for the simple reason that the
Jews' religious calendar was running late that year; which is easily seen by the fact
that Jesus dined on his Passover lamb before the Jews ate theirs. He being a
prophet in direct contact with God would know the correct moment, whereas the
Jews' methods are vulnerable to human error.

Also; that particular week-end had two sabbaths to reckon with: one was the
routine sabbath, and the other was the Passover sabbath which is a floating
sabbath that coincides with the first night of the feast of Unleavened Bread. The
two sabbaths were in such close proximity that particular year that it's common for
the Passover sabbath to be overlooked and/or mistaken for the routine sabbath.
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It was a tradition made by the Pharisees to celebrate the Passover on the 15th of Nisan (as opposed to the 14th) in the Temple (also not Torah). He was not early just accurate.

 

[Brother Paul]

Bwahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha!
Oh- I forgot; in churchese "death" means "living in another forms", and "resurrection" the same thing!

The "life" He was laying down was His bios life. That IS the life of the physical body. The afterlife is purely a spirit life, and the resurrection life is a glorified body (like Jesus's resurrection BODY) that can enter and re-enter both realms. Right now our physical body cannot enter the Heavenly realm without being transfigured (like His) so it remains and rots in the grave and our atoms return to the elements of the creation. But thanks be to God that He does not require our original bodies to bring us back.

 

[QuestionIt]

The "life" He was laying down was His bios life. That IS the life of the physical body. The afterlife is purely a spirit life, and the resurrection life is a glorified body (like Jesus's resurrection BODY) that can enter and re-enter both realms. Right now our physical body cannot enter the Heavenly realm without being transfigured (like His) so it remains and rots in the grave and our atoms return to the elements of the creation. But thanks be to God that He does not require our original bodies to bring us back.

What double-talk. He was either DEAD or ALIVE. The Bible says he was DEAD for 3 days- and no amount of church babble will change that!

 

[Brother Paul]

What double-talk. He was either DEAD or ALIVE. The Bible says he was DEAD for 3 days- and no amount of church babble will change that!

So you do not believe in Sheol? You do not believe the individual human consciousness continues? Since EVERYTHING in the Universe merely changes and never ceases, why should the human consciousness be the only thing that does? What does being dead mean to you?

 

[QuestionIt]

So you do not believe in Sheol? You do not believe the individual human consciousness continues? Since EVERYTHING in the Universe merely changes and never ceases, why should the human consciousness be the only thing that does? What does being dead mean to you?

You mean like God saying to Adam he would DIE.
Return to the ground- not continue alive?

 

[Brother Paul]

You mean like God saying to Adam he would DIE.
Return to the ground- not continue alive?

In this passage, IMHO, the Lord refers to spiritual death, which again does not equal cessation of existence but separation from God (Isaiah 59:2)

 

[rstrats]

In the ancient Hebrew reckoning of time, the 24 hour day begins in the evening and goes through the morning (the daylight portion) until the next evening (when the new day begins). They had to bury Jesus quickly because the Sabbath (at even time) was approaching. This counted as the 1st day though only a portion of it. Probably around our 6 pm. The Sabbath was day 2 and he rose early in the morning portion of the 3rd day (which counts as "the 3rd day" though only being part of it. As for days of the week this was the 1st day (called Sunday in the Roman calendar) and was the feast of First Fruits (always on the 1st weekly day within the feast of Unleavened Bread).

You quoted my comment to Beetow with regard to his post #16 where he wrote "That being the case, then the three days and three nights predicted by Matt 12:40 would've run from Thursday sundown to Friday sundown, then from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, and then from Saturday sundown to Sunday sundown." My response to Beetow was poorly worded, but I was merely responding to him with regard as to what that would mean if what he wrote was true.

 

[rstrats]

If perchance Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life at night, it would have
to be a Saturday night...
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If that were the case, since Saturday night ended around 6am at the beginning of daytime, any thoughts on what the Messiah might have been doing from then until He met Mary M. on the 1st day of the week?

 

[rstrats]

The same two angels verified that Jesus' dead body was restored to life on the third day rather than during a fourth
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But your post #6 says that the crucifixion took place on Thursday with a Sunday resurrection. And since scripture seems to suggest that the Messiah was buried before the start of the next day, then a small portion of Thursday, all of Friday, all of Saturday and at least a portion of Sunday would have been involved. That's 4 days.

 

[QuestionIt]

In this passage, IMHO, the Lord refers to spiritual death, which again does not equal cessation of existence but separation from God (Isaiah 59:2)

You mean Adam & Eve are ALIVE?
WHERE?'
(This outta be a good one!)

 

[Brother Paul]

You mean Adam & Eve are ALIVE?
WHERE?'
(This outta be a good one!)

They were in sheol but if they placed their trust in God's promised redemption (Genesis 3:15) then when Christ went there He brought them to be with Him and now they are part of the great uncountable Multitude of Revelation 7. For people who believe God (not just in Him) their faith is counted as Righteousness. Sadly this means that many calling themselves "Christians" (which should mean followers of Christ) are unwise virgins (see all of Matthew 25 if you dare)

 

[Beetow]

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered up for the sake of our trespasses, and was raised
up for the sake of declaring us righteous.

The Greek word translated "righteous" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means
acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

Although Rom 10:9 requires folks believe Jesus' crucified dead body was restored
to life, I don't think it's required that they believe everything there is to know about
it.

Take for example the Jehovah's Witnesses. They insist that Jesus' crucified body is
still dead and its remains squirreled away on earth in a condition, and a location,
known only to God. So even if their take on dikaiosis is 100% correct, they'll still end
up on the wrong side of the afterlife.
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[QuestionIt]

They were in sheol but if they placed their trust in God's promised redemption (Genesis 3:15) then when Christ went there He brought them to be with Him and now they are part of the great uncountable Multitude of Revelation 7. For people who believe God (not just in Him) their faith is counted as Righteousness. Sadly this means that many calling themselves "Christians" (which should mean followers of Christ) are unwise virgins (see all of Matthew 25 if you dare)

Pathetic. You've just added to Jehovah's words, and call Satan right!

 

[QuestionIt]

But thanks for answering, BP....

 

[Brother Paul]

Pathetic. You've just added to Jehovah's words, and call Satan right!

You are so incorrect but that is okay.

 

[Bethel]

Bwahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha!
Oh- I forgot; in churchese "death" means "living in another forms", and "resurrection" the same thing!

Jesus said that he was offering his body and his blood., so that is the context of the "life" that He offered in John 3:16.

 

[QuestionIt]

Jesus said that he was offering his body and his blood., so that is the context of the "life" that He offered in John 3:16.

Jesus said he was laying down, surrendering his LIFE, not just the physical body.
If you want to take it another way- be my guest.

 

[Brother Paul]

Jesus said he was laying down, surrendering his LIFE, not just the physical body.
If you want to take it another way- be my guest.

No. I get your point. The bodies of all God's creatures are alive (bios subject to Chronos/.Time). But humans have an additional element (Ruah or spirit life), He had no sin and did not give up or stop being a spirit. Aeonian Zios (eternal life) continues. The spirit can not lay down (but the dead body does). And listen. I am good with agreeing to disagree. Life is a quality/quantity that is non-physical, but when people think of their life, when the body dies they take this to mean the end of life (but it is not). It is just the end of their temporal life. Again, the great uncountable multitude in John's vision had physically died yet were alive (Revelations 7).