Christ's Resurrection

[Beetow]

• Matt 12:40 . . As Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Jonah 1:17)

A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and done with.

• Matt 16:21 . . From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

• Matt 20:17-19 . . Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life.

• Matt 17:22-23 . . And while they were gathering together in Galilee, Jesus said to them: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; and they will kill him, and he will be raised on the third day.

• Mark 9:31 . . For he taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

• Luke 9:22 . . And he said: The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be roused.

• Luke 18:31-33 . . Jesus took the twelve aside and told them: We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.

• Luke 24:1-8 . . On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus.

. . .While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightning stood beside them. In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again." Then they remembered his words.

• Luke 24:12-21 . . Peter, however, got up and ran to the tomb. Bending over, he saw the strips of linen lying by themselves, and he went away, wondering to himself what had happened. Now that same day two of them were going to a village called Emmaus, about seven miles from Jerusalem. They were talking with each other about everything that had happened. As they talked and discussed these things with each other, Jesus himself came up and walked along with them; but they were kept from recognizing him.

. . . He asked them: What are you discussing together as you walk along? They stood still, their faces downcast. One of them, named Cleopas, asked him: Are you only a visitor to Jerusalem and do not know the things that have happened there in these days? What things? he asked.

. . . About Jesus of Nazareth; they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God and all the people. The chief priests and our rulers handed him over to be sentenced to death, and they crucified him; but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the third day since all this took place.

• Luke 24:41-46 . . And while they still could not believe it for joy and were marveling, he said to them : Have you anything here to eat? And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish; and he took it and ate it before them. Now he said to them : These are my words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled. Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and he said to them : Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and rise again from the dead the third day

• Acts 10:39-41 . . And we are witnesses of all the things He did both in the land of the Jews and in Jerusalem. And they also put him to death by hanging him on a cross. God raised him up on the third day

• 1Cor 15:4 . . He rose again the third day
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[QuestionIt]

How was he dead if God? With an IMMORTAL soul?

 

[Beetow]

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How was he dead if God? With an IMMORTAL soul?

The Word in John 1:1-3 is now, and has always been, a divine being; whereas his
flesh in John 1:14 came into the world as an ordinary man.

• Phil 2:7-8 . . He made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being
made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled
himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross.

In a nutshell, the Word's human form wasn't immortal prior to his crucifixion, but
he is very definitely immortal now.

• Rom 6:9 . .We know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die
again; death no longer has mastery over him.
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[QuestionIt]

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The Word in John 1:1-3 is now, and has always been, a divine being; whereas his
flesh in John 1:14 came into the world as an ordinary man.

• Phil 2:7-8 . . He made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being
made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled
himself and became obedient to death-- even death on a cross.

In a nutshell, the Word's human form wasn't immortal prior to his crucifixion, but
he is very definitely immortal now.

• Rom 6:9 . .We know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die
again; death no longer has mastery over him.
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You mean you realized he DIED? Was NOT God?

 

[Beetow]

Was NOT God?

Christ was, and still is, a very unique person. He exists as a divine being and as an
ordinary being simultaneously. He also exists as a spirit being and as a material
being simultaneously.

The circumstances of Christ's existence are unavoidable because according to John
1:1-3. the Word is God-- as such the Word can never stop existing; not even when
he's the flesh of John 1:14 because God is indestructible.

Most Christians readily attest that Christ is fully God and fully Man; but in reality
many only believe he's fully God because in order for Christ to be fully Man, he'd
have to be biologically related to Adam; which in quite a few Christians' thinking is
unacceptable because Adam was a created being. But people should not be
resisting because it is not all that difficult to trace Jesus' genealogy all the way back
to the first man.

In other words: Christ wasn't born a divine hominid, rather, he was born an
ordinary h.sapiens whose origin began with Gen1:26-27 and Gen 2:7 while the
Word of course cannot be said to have an origin.
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[Beetow]

Getting back on track:

The Jews' religious calendar is reckoned from sundown to sundown instead of
midnight to midnight. For example: Passover (a.k.a. the feast of Unleavened Bread)
begins this year at sundown Friday, the 15th of April.

Seeing as how the women mentioned in Luke 24:1-8 went out to the cemetery on
the first day of the week-- which is the day following routine sabbaths --then we
may safely deduce that their journey took place during the early morning hours of
what would've been a Sunday back then.

That being the case, then the three days and three nights predicted by Matt 12:40
would've run from Thursday sundown to Friday sundown, then from Friday sundown
to Saturday sundown, and then from Saturday sundown to Sunday sundown.

Thus it's easily sleuthed that Christ died by crucifixion on what would've been a
Thursday afternoon back then rather than a Friday afternoon.
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[Beetow]

FYI: I highly recommend that we avoid Nisan dating for the simple reason that the
Jews' religious calendar was running late that year; which is easily seen by the fact
that Jesus dined on his Passover lamb before the Jews ate theirs. He being a
prophet in direct contact with God would know the correct moment, whereas the
Jews' methods are vulnerable to human error.

Also; that particular week-end had two sabbaths to reckon with: one was the
routine sabbath, and the other was the Passover sabbath which is a floating
sabbath that coincides with the first night of the feast of Unleavened Bread. The
two sabbaths were in such close proximity that particular year that it's common for
the Passover sabbath to be overlooked and/or mistaken for the routine sabbath.
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[QuestionIt]

Christ was, and still is, a very unique person. He exists as a divine being and as an
ordinary being simultaneously. He also exists as a spirit being and as a material
being simultaneously.

The circumstances of Christ's existence are unavoidable because according to John
1:1-3. the Word is God-- as such the Word can never stop existing; not even when
he's the flesh of John 1:14 because God is indestructible.

Most Christians readily attest that Christ is fully God and fully Man; but in reality
many only believe he's fully God because in order for Christ to be fully Man, he'd
have to be biologically related to Adam; which in quite a few Christians' thinking is
unacceptable because Adam was a created being. But people should not be
resisting because it is not all that difficult to trace Jesus' genealogy all the way back
to the first man.

In other words: Christ wasn't born a divine hominid, rather, he was born an
ordinary h.sapiens whose origin began with Gen1:26-27 and Gen 2:7 while the
Word of course cannot be said to have an origin.
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You take it John 1:1 reads "Jesus was with Jesus, and Jesus was Jesus"?
And you haven't answered the Question...

 

[Beetow]

Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of Jesus
Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough to protect
people from the wrath of God. Though his physical body's death obtains forgiveness
for people's sins, its death doesn't gain them exoneration.

• Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered up for the sake of our trespasses, and was raised
up for the sake of declaring us righteous.

The Greek word translated "righteous" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means
acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal record.
The resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body deletes their record so that on the
books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

This clearing of one's guilt that I'm talking about is obtained via the kindness and
generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body.
If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified body is still dead
or, even better yet, make them question whether the man even existed at all; then
they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and consequently end up put to death in
brimstone because records are to be reviewed when people stand to face justice at
the event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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[QuestionIt]

Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of Jesus
Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough to protect
people from the wrath of God. Though his physical body's death obtains forgiveness
for people's sins, its death doesn't gain them exoneration.

• Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered up for the sake of our trespasses, and was raised
up for the sake of declaring us righteous.

The Greek word translated "righteous" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means
acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.

People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal record.
The resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body deletes their record so that on the
books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.

This clearing of one's guilt that I'm talking about is obtained via the kindness and
generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body.
If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified body is still dead
or, even better yet, make them question whether the man even existed at all; then
they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and consequently end up put to death in
brimstone because records are to be reviewed when people stand to face justice at
the event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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You believe Christ DIED?

 

[rstrats]

How was he dead if God? With an IMMORTAL soul?

That's an issue for a different topic. Perhaps you might start one.

 

[Brother Paul]

How was he dead if God? With an IMMORTAL soul?

The human body born of Mary, of the seed of David, died., and YHWH (the Word/Son) experienced human suffering and death (which Biblically does not equal the cessation of existence).
He did this to overcome death. Sin and sickness were atoned for ON the cross.

 

[rstrats]

A handy fact to know about Christ's resurrection is that a preponderance of textual evidence indicates that his crucified dead body was restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was completely over and done with.

Mark 8:31 says the Messiah would rise after 3 days. Also Luke 24:21 indicates that it was after 3 days; so to be in line with those two verses, "on the the third day" must be referring to on the third day after the day of His death.

 

[Brother Paul]

Mark 8:31 says the Messiah would rise after 3 days. Also Luke 24:21 indicates that it was after 3 days; so to be in line with those two verses, "on the the third day" must be referring to on the third day after the day of His death.

No! That is incorrect. Proper hermeneutics demands we interpret the one passage by the MANY related passages. This usage is a Hebraism wherein "three days and three and three nights" was understood to mean any portion of that time period.

 

[rstrats]

No! That is incorrect. Proper hermeneutics demands we interpret the one passage by the MANY related passages. This usage is a Hebraism wherein "three days and three and three nights" was understood to mean any portion of that time period.

If by Hebraism you mean that it was common to say that three days and three nights were involved with an event when at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times couldn't have been, what examples do you have which allows you to make that statement?

 

[rstrats]

That being the case, then the three days and three nights predicted by Matt 12:40
would've run from Thursday sundown to Friday sundown, then from Friday sundown
to Saturday sundown, and then from Saturday sundown to Sunday sundown.

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Actually, it would be from sometime late on Thursday afternoon to sometime on Sunday night. That would also mean that parts of 4 calendar days would be involved.

 

[Brother Paul]

If by Hebraism you mean that it was common to say that three days and three nights were involved with an event when at least a portion of each one of three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times couldn't have been, what examples do you have which allows you to make that statement?

Dear rstrats, we have been over this exhaustively. I prefer to not have to re-invent the wheel over and over. You KNOW a 4th day resuirrecti claim is absurdly inaccurate. But for the sake of others reading when i get home I will show you from the scriptures and Jewish commentary regarding "inclusive reckoning"

 

[Brother Paul]

Actually, it would be from sometime late on Thursday afternoon to sometime on Sunday night. That would also mean that parts of 4 calendar days would be involved.

There seems to be no controversy regarding this point. Regarding the way ancient Hebrews conceptualized, the phrases "the third day," "in three days," "after three days," and "three days and three nights" are equivalent terms used in the scripture in reference to the resurrection of Jesus. Therefore the last phrase mentioned here is understood differently than one would understand it if judging Hebrew thought and language by the rules of modern grammatical usage so I hope the following helps clear it up for you (unless you have gotten stuck in a thinking loop and unable to reason past this one passage to grasp all that is said…this is not meant ot be insulting but having been there I know the problem personally)


In Genesis 7:4, God said to Noah, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth." But in verse 10 we read, "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth." The marginal reading expresses it in the literal Hebrew as meaning "on the seventh day."

I actually pity the poor western chronologer who tries to figure that one out! When did the flood come? In seven days? On the seventh day? Or after seven days? The answer is simple when the Hebrew inclusive reckoning is applied. The day on which God spoke to Noah counted as the first day, and the day on which it started raining was ON the seventh day. Even if God spoke just ten minutes before the end of that first day, it was still counted as one of the seven. And if it started raining at noon on the last day, it was also counted as one of the seven.


Now consider Esther 4:


15 Then Esther bade them return Mordecai this answer,


16 Go, gather together all the Jews that are present in Shushan, and all of you fast for me, and neither eat nor drink for three days and three nights (some translations say “for three days; day and night)


She then says “I also and my maidens will fast likewise; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.


17 So Mordecai went his way, and did according to all that Esther had commanded.


Then in verse 5 we read...

Now it came to pass on the third day that Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king's house, over against the king's house: and the king sat upon his royal throne in the royal house, over against the gate of the house.

Now for some additional examples:


Circumcision: The same principle is revealed in the circumcision of babies. Genesis 17:12 specifies "he that is eight days old." In our mind to be eight days old = after 8 days (7 or even 7 and a 1/2) does not = 8) But Luke 1:59 reads "on the eighth day." Yet the same Luke 2:21 uses still another expression: "When eight days were accomplished." Yet this is ON the 8th day.


Joseph: Further proof for inclusive reckoning is seen in Joseph's dealing with his brethren. Genesis 42:17-19 says "He put them all together in jail for three days. And Joseph said unto them on the third day, This do, and live; ... go ye. ..."


Taxes: Consider also the tax issue between King Rehoboam and the people. 2 Chronicles 10:5,12 says, "Come again unto me after three days. ... So ... all the people came to Rehoboam on the third day."


See now how Jewish people understood these matters. The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 4, page 475 gives us a perfect example


"A short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though, of the first day only a few minutes after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."


Rabbi Eleazar ben Azariah, who lived about A.D. 100, stated: "A day and a night are an Onah [‘a portion of time’] and the portion of an Onah is as the whole of it."(Jerusalem Talmud, Shabbath 9, 3; cf. also Babylonian Talmud, Pesahim 4a).

 

[Beetow]

Actually, it would be from sometime late on Thursday afternoon to sometime on
Sunday night.

If perchance Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life at night, it would have
to be a Saturday night because the women found the tomb empty on Sunday
morning, during which two angels verified that Jesus was no longer deceased.

• Luke 24:5-6a . . Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here;
he has risen.

That would also mean that parts of 4 calendar days would be involved.

The same two angels verified that Jesus' dead body was restored to life on the third
day rather than during a fourth.

• Luke 24:6b-7 . . Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in
Galilee: The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified
and on the third day be raised again.
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[Brother Paul]

Actually, it would be from sometime late on Thursday afternoon to sometime on Sunday night. That would also mean that parts of 4 calendar days would be involved.

In the ancient Hebrew reckoning of time, the 24 hour day begins in the evening and goes through the morning (the daylight portion) until the next evening (when the new day begins). They had to bury Jesus quickly because the Sabbath (at even time) was approaching. This counted as the 1st day though only a portion of it. Probably around our 6 pm. The Sabbath was day 2 and he rose early in the morning portion of the 3rd day (which counts as "the 3rd day" though only being part of it. As for days of the week this was the 1st day (called Sunday in the Roman calendar) and was the feast of First Fruits (always on the 1st weekly day within the feast of Unleavened Bread).