Can only true Christians cast out demons?

[Christ4Ever]

I prefer this poll question then I would know how to vote ... yes.


I always thought the problem here is the "we" (personal pronoun) rather than glorifying God for what He does through us.

Agree! Like the person is trying to include themselves in with those who have been faithful in doing the will of the Father, not for personal gain, but to glorify God.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[joestue]

when Jesus said to trample on them, he mean it.

i'm not sharing this to boast in myself but rather state what happened as i have not found a single person on the internet who has ever mentioned such a thing:

A few months ago in a waking dream while sleeping in on a saturday at 10:45 am, I saw a woman. presuming the woman was a girl in real life who was attracted to me, (she is in the military in Okinawa) i didn't immediately say anything, but rather wondered what is the meaning of this. but instead a name came to mind, the name of my wife's sister, who has been no contact with us, and no contact with her parents since the day she found out we're engaged.

A moment later I saw a demon touching her, in the form and likeness of myself. and I said to the woman. that is a demon touching you! not me! and I prayed for the woman as if it was not actually my wife's sister, but rather the girl in the military (not that that really changed anything, but if i had known it indeed was my wife's sister, i would have told her to pray to Jesus herself, rather than commanding the demon not to touch her again!)

and she replies back plain as day "joe please leave me alone"

my wife thinks it actually was her sister. and yes, she would be sleeping in on a saturday morning, as she is a school teacher for elementary students.

 

[faithman]

Yes, only Christians can cast out devils and I must add believing Christians because Jesus said these signs shall follow believers in His Name shall cast out devils. There are some Chrisitians who are not aware of demons as an reality in the day to day life we live. Faith in God's Word is important of doing anything that Bible says belongs to us.

 

[Twistie]

that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonder
for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty

A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.

Hope alls well!!!

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[KingJ]

You do not understand the scripture. It is because you believe that once you are saved , you are always saved. That is a delusion. Only someone who is in the Lord can expell demons. You of your own volition can not remove demons, they will laugh at you.

You are correct I do believe in OSAS. This is why a Christian does not have a problem casting out a demon. God knows you, the Holy Spirit knows you and demons will know you too.

Paul wants each of us to know that we are in fact a Christian. 2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you. Unless, of course, you fail the test?

It is not wise to A. Approach a demon not being certain that you are in Christ and B. Teach that God is like a human who cannot properly judge our heart and mind as Jer 17:9-11 says He can and does.

I always cringe within when I hear a Christian say they do not believe in OSAS. Such a silly belief implies that eternal bliss is not possible. As duh a fact 1 + 1 = 2.

The only Christian denomination that can hold to a non-OSAS belief and still keep face are Catholics as you / they also teach Purgatory. But someone like @backNforth who does not believe in Purgatory would simply teach that God is not so smart, partial and unjust.

Not so smart = Like a human he cannot judge the heart.
Partial & unjust = Person A does what the criminal next to Jesus on the cross did and gets eternal bliss, Person B does this and is used for more by God. Serves Him for fifty years, in year fifty one falls from grace and receives eternal hell.

Both these blocks are ticked / issues resolved if you add a Purgatory. A place where someone who would fall from grace can be re-evaluated.

We see what Jesus tells us, a man who once was in God, who expelled demons, betreys Jesus. The person whose name was once written in the book of life threw it away. He gave it away for a bowl of stew, he betreys Jesus for 30 pieces of silver, he denies Jesus 3 times without seeking the Mercey of Jesus.

1. You say ''Jesus tells a man''. This has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. At the time of Jesus there was no such thing as a Christian or the presence of the Holy Spirit.

2. All names are in the book of life from birth. Your name can only be blotted out. It does not get written in. Rev 13:* / Rev 17:8 'written from the foundation of the world'.

3. Regarding exorcisms, I am going to be honest and blunt.

At large the Catholic church does not know the Holy Spirit. It is a word you know of. Not a Being whose presence is felt and known.

A Christian can sense the Holy Spirit and if they do, there is no such thing as a demon not listening to you. On some occasions you can sense the Holy Spirit not wanting to do something. I have experienced this with miracles and healings. Sometimes it is God's will and sometimes it is not. It is as simple as that.

Now, many non-Christians 'partake' / 'taste' of the Holy Spirit. They are in some way sanctified by the Holy Spirit. These people will be able to cast out demons and heal the sick on most occasions. Reason being that the Holy Spirit elevates the name of Jesus beyond all other names. Today using the name of Jesus carries a lot more weight than it did pre-cross / OT.

 

[KingJ]

A true deliverance requires a true believer. Meanwhile, there are lots of fakirs out there. There will always be "fake Christians casting out fake demons."

Incorrect, please re-read the scripture provided in the OP.

And as far as your comment about "not as something anyone can control at will," deliverance is NOT a power trip - can never be a power trip - to be effective. SELF-WILL has ZERO PLACE in any deliverance. The HS does the heavy lifting, through a sanctified vessel.

You quote my line and make my point.

That naivete is what the devils are scanning for. Rather, the HS is THE STARTING POINT necessary to begin to engage in effective spiritual warfare. A devil knows whether you are a mere bench warmer/newbie or a sanctified and battle-wise vessel. If you're not actively pursuing righteousness - as an unbeliever or a believer - then you pose no threat and Satan will proceed accordingly. A weak believer may very well hear the taunt, "Who are you?" (as the chief priest Sceva and his seven sons did - Acts 19:14-16).

No, no, no. How can you say this? ''A weak believer may very well hear the taunt ''who are you''.

What nonsense. A Christian is a Christian. Young, old, weak or strong does not matter. And if weak, God / the Holy Spirit will be with them all the more.

Your logic goes like this...

Jesus = ''Dear Johnny, thank you for laying your life down for me. You offered to die for me and survived. Showed the greatest act of love possible John 15:13. Please note that since you are only 17 and do not know me too well, I am going to allow a demon to harass you more than it would others who are older than you and know me a bit better.''

Plenty of spiritualist churches do a lot of "casing out" but such "deliverances" are mere lying wonders intended to ultimately deceive. Same with the Catholic version aka "exorcism." Those wannabees are like clouds without rain i.e. worthless iconoclastic pageantry, powerless, even as the devils mock.

Yet another terrible passage from you. Many Catholics are genuine Christians. They are just not always operating in the Holy Spirit and or grasping God's will on an exorcism. It is not always God's will to have demons exorcised.

The HS is required for a genuine deliverance. And because sanctification has become such a big ask these days, the vast majority of ppl remain powerless to cast out devils. Absent the HS, it's always fun-and-games time for devils e.g. a greater devil may throw a lesser devil under the bus to fake you out.

One thing we mostly agree on. Though I would argue you could do it without the Holy Spirit too. As we see from scripture in the OP. At the time of Jesus there was no Holy Spirit.