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Agree! Like the person is trying to include themselves in with those who have been faithful in doing the will of the Father, not for personal gain, but to glorify God.
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Can only true Christians cast out demons?
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when Jesus said to trample on them, he mean it.
i'm not sharing this to boast in myself but rather state what happened as i have not found a single person on the internet who has ever mentioned such a thing:
A few months ago in a waking dream while sleeping in on a saturday at 10:45 am, I saw a woman. presuming the woman was a girl in real life who was attracted to me, (she is in the military in Okinawa) i didn't immediately say anything, but rather wondered what is the meaning of this. but instead a name came to mind, the name of my wife's sister, who has been no contact with us, and no contact with her parents since the day she found out we're engaged.
A moment later I saw a demon touching her, in the form and likeness of myself. and I said to the woman. that is a demon touching you! not me! and I prayed for the woman as if it was not actually my wife's sister, but rather the girl in the military (not that that really changed anything, but if i had known it indeed was my wife's sister, i would have told her to pray to Jesus herself, rather than commanding the demon not to touch her again!)
and she replies back plain as day "joe please leave me alone"
my wife thinks it actually was her sister. and yes, she would be sleeping in on a saturday morning, as she is a school teacher for elementary students.
i'm not sharing this to boast in myself but rather state what happened as i have not found a single person on the internet who has ever mentioned such a thing:
A few months ago in a waking dream while sleeping in on a saturday at 10:45 am, I saw a woman. presuming the woman was a girl in real life who was attracted to me, (she is in the military in Okinawa) i didn't immediately say anything, but rather wondered what is the meaning of this. but instead a name came to mind, the name of my wife's sister, who has been no contact with us, and no contact with her parents since the day she found out we're engaged.
A moment later I saw a demon touching her, in the form and likeness of myself. and I said to the woman. that is a demon touching you! not me! and I prayed for the woman as if it was not actually my wife's sister, but rather the girl in the military (not that that really changed anything, but if i had known it indeed was my wife's sister, i would have told her to pray to Jesus herself, rather than commanding the demon not to touch her again!)
and she replies back plain as day "joe please leave me alone"
my wife thinks it actually was her sister. and yes, she would be sleeping in on a saturday morning, as she is a school teacher for elementary students.
Yes, only Christians can cast out devils and I must add believing Christians because Jesus said these signs shall follow believers in His Name shall cast out devils. There are some Chrisitians who are not aware of demons as an reality in the day to day life we live. Faith in God's Word is important of doing anything that Bible says belongs to us.
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that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonder
for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
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for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
Hope alls well!!!
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You are correct I do believe in OSAS. This is why a Christian does not have a problem casting out a demon. God knows you, the Holy Spirit knows you and demons will know you too.
Paul wants each of us to know that we are in fact a Christian. 2 Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you. Unless, of course, you fail the test?
It is not wise to A. Approach a demon not being certain that you are in Christ and B. Teach that God is like a human who cannot properly judge our heart and mind as Jer 17:9-11 says He can and does.
I always cringe within when I hear a Christian say they do not believe in OSAS. Such a silly belief implies that eternal bliss is not possible. As duh a fact 1 + 1 = 2.
The only Christian denomination that can hold to a non-OSAS belief and still keep face are Catholics as you / they also teach Purgatory. But someone like @backNforth who does not believe in Purgatory would simply teach that God is not so smart, partial and unjust.
Not so smart = Like a human he cannot judge the heart.
Partial & unjust = Person A does what the criminal next to Jesus on the cross did and gets eternal bliss, Person B does this and is used for more by God. Serves Him for fifty years, in year fifty one falls from grace and receives eternal hell.
Both these blocks are ticked / issues resolved if you add a Purgatory. A place where someone who would fall from grace can be re-evaluated.
1. You say ''Jesus tells a man''. This has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. At the time of Jesus there was no such thing as a Christian or the presence of the Holy Spirit.
2. All names are in the book of life from birth. Your name can only be blotted out. It does not get written in. Rev 13:* / Rev 17:8 'written from the foundation of the world'.
3. Regarding exorcisms, I am going to be honest and blunt.
At large the Catholic church does not know the Holy Spirit. It is a word you know of. Not a Being whose presence is felt and known.
A Christian can sense the Holy Spirit and if they do, there is no such thing as a demon not listening to you. On some occasions you can sense the Holy Spirit not wanting to do something. I have experienced this with miracles and healings. Sometimes it is God's will and sometimes it is not. It is as simple as that.
Now, many non-Christians 'partake' / 'taste' of the Holy Spirit. They are in some way sanctified by the Holy Spirit. These people will be able to cast out demons and heal the sick on most occasions. Reason being that the Holy Spirit elevates the name of Jesus beyond all other names. Today using the name of Jesus carries a lot more weight than it did pre-cross / OT.
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Incorrect, please re-read the scripture provided in the OP.
You quote my line and make my point.
No, no, no. How can you say this? ''A weak believer may very well hear the taunt ''who are you''.
What nonsense. A Christian is a Christian. Young, old, weak or strong does not matter. And if weak, God / the Holy Spirit will be with them all the more.
Your logic goes like this...
Jesus = ''Dear Johnny, thank you for laying your life down for me. You offered to die for me and survived. Showed the greatest act of love possible John 15:13. Please note that since you are only 17 and do not know me too well, I am going to allow a demon to harass you more than it would others who are older than you and know me a bit better.''
Yet another terrible passage from you. Many Catholics are genuine Christians. They are just not always operating in the Holy Spirit and or grasping God's will on an exorcism. It is not always God's will to have demons exorcised.
One thing we mostly agree on. Though I would argue you could do it without the Holy Spirit too. As we see from scripture in the OP. At the time of Jesus there was no Holy Spirit.
so if it is not God's will that certain people's demons leave them, then they should go to a catholic church to get an exorcism... since they might be more willing to do it anyways.
what interesting logic my man!
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You have yet to cast out any demon, so what then is your "problem"? Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? (2 Cor. 13:5)
You're again off on another tangent, irrelevant to your own OP, speaking ignorantly of things of which you have no understanding.
A deliverance minister is a sanctified vessel to be used of the Holy Spirit who does the heavy lifting of expelling a demon.
Again, a deliverance minister does not perform an "exorcism," which is a distinctly Catholic procedure, a structured, formal ritual with prescribed prayers, performed only by a bishop or a priest with special permission from the local ordinary, wherewith a mere man (attempts to) directly command a demon.
It's your choice: the local ordinary, or the Holy Spirit. Which do you think genuinely gets the job done? Ask Sceva and his seven sons!
Indeed. He is conflicted...
...and conflicted again.
And I will repeat again for your benefit: Prior to the Holy Spirit being given, there were indeed demon-possessed people, but it’s spoken of in a very general and collective way. We don’t really have an account in the Old Testament of an individual demon-possessed person or of the way those people behaved, or of any "exorcism" in dealing with them. And so that is to say we don’t know a lot about demon possession from the Old Testament.
Obviously, you've never been through a deliverance with "weak" "Christians" present.
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. (1 Cor. 3:2).
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Heb. 5:13).
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. (2 Tim. 2)
The OP has been effectively exposed as yet another grandstand by someone who is ignorant of the spiritual dynamic, behaving theatrically to impress an audience. This poor soul is conflicted and in serious need of deliverance, which is my nine-to-five ministry. If you care about the guy, ask God to bring awareness to him of the bondage he is in and grant him courage to do what God requires to be set free, so he may move from the milk to the meat and faithfully walk in the calling placed on his life.
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Logic
. You have conflated two distinctly separate points to mock me / them? Point 1. Not always God's will to cast out demons. Using Catholic priests or Holy Spirit filled Christians. It doesn't matter.
Matt 12:43-45 But when the unclean spirit hath gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth it not.44. Then he saith, I will return to my house, whence I came out; and coming, he findeth it empty, and swept, and embellished.45. Then he goeth away, and taketh with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and entering, he dwelleth there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Point 2. Catholics are not as 'live' in the Holy Spirit as they should be.
If someone is looking for an exorcism it is highly unlikely they be someone God does not want to help.
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Not sure what your point is.
It was a response to a line made. Correct, unrelated to the OP. Thank you for grasping that duh fact.
'Sanctified vessel'. You making things up and adding to scripture what is not there. Can you not speak 'sanely'. You seem to be on a permanent power trip.
All Christians are sanctified vessels. That is a duh fact.
Why not rather say ''some Christians like priests and pastors take it upon themselves to perform exorcisms''. That is scriptural. Like calling for elders in a church for prayer James 5:14-15.
I think you need to read the dictionary definition of an exorcism and re-word your passage.
This line is unrelated to the original point you made to which I responded.
You made terribly incorrect statements and were corrected. Now you are raising a separate argument as though its related. An attempt by you to keep face. Why not deal directly with your correction?
You are awfully proud and rude for someone in a deliverance ministry. If I were you I would avoid engaging with demons, accept correction and properly read posts before replying.
You are actually sounding like a perfect case study of those Jesus mentions in Matt 7:22-23.
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Hi @Bill, just to ensure that you don't think I am personally attacking the Catholic church and or implying that the Holy Spirit is not active within them at large. I created this thread to clarify my position - Does the Catholic Church Restrain the Operation of the Holy Spirit?.
Enough threads ..
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I visited this thread initially because I was tagged by the OP (as he errantly presumed it was still profitable for him to do so), even as he is off with another round of self-aggrandizement and manipulation.
Internet "Christian" forums are silicon snake pits, giving voice to the enemy's minions where they would not otherwise have one. In this arena, an intrinsically reprobate person can pose as a Christian with something scriptural to say. He or she can stay hidden away from any public scrutiny as their credentials (or lack thereof) are not automatically placed into evidence. They can wage word-wars without ever demonstrating any accountability - or any qualifications of any kind to validate their unwanted perspective. They simply log in on the various boards and start to stir up trouble. Their weapons are an inexpensive computer, a free email account, and the spirit of Antichrist to empower their malicious maligning of the truth.
The Apostle Paul found that "there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies" (II Thessalonians 3:11). This rebuke was related to the fact that these people had so much time on their hands that they spent it by gossiping and creating discord among the brethren. His command to the church was "that they with quietness... work, and eat their own bread."
"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
They can take our responses and send 'em all around until they've stirred up "certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar." (Acts 17:5). In the ensuing turmoil, they then seek to capitalize on it by insinuating themselves as the defenders of truth.
The OP has yet again been thoroughly exposed as one who cannot process truth or receive correction.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. (Rom. 16)
...a perfect example of the reckless immaturity of one who has zero understanding of the process of sanctification. He doesn't even know what it means to "examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves." This is his testimony: "Nuns rebuked me for sin and a close friend told me of his encounter with Jesus. An image of the cross stayed in my mind for a while and I couldn't stop thinking about it." Thus, his claimed status as "born again" is dubious. The dangerous part is that this incontinent individual is in possession of a keyboard and a screen.
Internet "Christian" forums are silicon snake pits, giving voice to the enemy's minions where they would not otherwise have one. In this arena, an intrinsically reprobate person can pose as a Christian with something scriptural to say. He or she can stay hidden away from any public scrutiny as their credentials (or lack thereof) are not automatically placed into evidence. They can wage word-wars without ever demonstrating any accountability - or any qualifications of any kind to validate their unwanted perspective. They simply log in on the various boards and start to stir up trouble. Their weapons are an inexpensive computer, a free email account, and the spirit of Antichrist to empower their malicious maligning of the truth.
No, he "created this thread" to further capitalize on his ongoing dissimulations.
Indeed! We witness the insatiability of that Catholic-flavored spirit. Let that be a lesson to the rest of us who would presume to come here and spew.
The Apostle Paul found that "there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies" (II Thessalonians 3:11). This rebuke was related to the fact that these people had so much time on their hands that they spent it by gossiping and creating discord among the brethren. His command to the church was "that they with quietness... work, and eat their own bread."
"These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
They can take our responses and send 'em all around until they've stirred up "certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar." (Acts 17:5). In the ensuing turmoil, they then seek to capitalize on it by insinuating themselves as the defenders of truth.
The OP has yet again been thoroughly exposed as one who cannot process truth or receive correction.
Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. (Rom. 16)
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As always your posts are full of ad hominem and not addressing points raised. You seem pretty good at typing this kind of drivel.
I have accused you in post # 25 and 26 of terribly misrepresenting God and scripture. Instead of taking a stab at the scriptural, logical and sound points raised you type drivel like this.
I will give you some free advice as I truly feel for you. Use Chat GPT! Tell it what you believe. Post what I posted and ask it to help you type a sound, polite rebuttal. When you get rude, google big words and type like you are terribly butthurt, it does not help anyone.
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One of the chief reasons I am on a discussion forum is because it is possible to properly separate talking points. If you and I were discussing in person, we would get nowhere. Nobody likes correction. And yet so many need it as so many of us are failing terribly at our one job of properly representing Jesus to the lost 2 Cor 5:20.
Take @backNforth's post above as an example. He is asked to respond to points A, B and C. Instead he laughs at A, ignores B and C and raises points X, Y and Z. Dodging, evasion, rabbit trails, red herrings.
It is quite funny to see someone type like that on a discussion forum where words typed are recorded.
KingJ - Backforth your belief represents God as unjust and partial for reasons A, B and C.
Backnforth - You say you saw a cross in the clouds when you got saved, you know nothing.
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You type this, but you have not proven it. You are coming across as badly as liberals who call conservatives Nazis.
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@backNforth I created this thread here to explain where I am coming from and what I believe are the issues that you need to work on.
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Do not tag me again.
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Im just glad at this point im not the only one who is a mess
This whole post page can be quite entertaining..
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Well we have a false teacher who trolls my threads and refuses correction. Exposed for 1. misrepresenting God, 2. inserting his assumptions into scripture, 3. extreme ad hominem and the most frustrating fact of all about him is that he 4. runs from dealing with these proven accusations. @backNforth
After trolling my threads he says ''do not tag me'' in posts relevant to him....after he speaks to me in the third person on multiple occasions.
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