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Stops believing in what?
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You are living in sinless perfection? If so, say so clearly.
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You can quote me if you please, but quote correctly. I said sin, not sinning.
Greetings,
when the day comes, it will be true that all have sinned, whether once or a million times, which equates to all have fallen short, like an arrow missing the mark.... but the remedy provided is the grace of God in Jesus Christ, for all who will believe in Him, and there are vessels of honour and dishonour, therefore what we all need to do is ask ourselves... do we love Him and do so by also loving one another?
Are we willing to become as servants and serve the Lord with gladness, denying ourselves so that our interest is transformed to His interest?
merely being a servant, however, does not automatically grant us entry, we must consider Him, not our own lives, we are bought with a price
over and again we are encouraged and admonished and directed to love one another.....
we also are aware that we are open testimonies to our fruit
let us serve the Lord with gladness for we are called into One Body, the Lord dwells in One Temple, not made with hands... therefore....
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, [or, please, be typed upon the screen] but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:29-32
Bless you ....><>
when the day comes, it will be true that all have sinned, whether once or a million times, which equates to all have fallen short, like an arrow missing the mark.... but the remedy provided is the grace of God in Jesus Christ, for all who will believe in Him, and there are vessels of honour and dishonour, therefore what we all need to do is ask ourselves... do we love Him and do so by also loving one another?
Are we willing to become as servants and serve the Lord with gladness, denying ourselves so that our interest is transformed to His interest?
merely being a servant, however, does not automatically grant us entry, we must consider Him, not our own lives, we are bought with a price
over and again we are encouraged and admonished and directed to love one another.....
we also are aware that we are open testimonies to our fruit
let us serve the Lord with gladness for we are called into One Body, the Lord dwells in One Temple, not made with hands... therefore....
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, [or, please, be typed upon the screen] but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Ephesians 4:29-32
Bless you ....><>
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Never said I was without sin, but I do not "practice" sin. I do not sin everyday.
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Thank you for the reply. Much gets lost in forums because we do not have the benefit of eye contact or other facial expressions
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So, Reba, How can a Christian have sin and still be the righteousness of God in the anointing? It cannot be done...Yet Jesus became sin so we could be made the righteousness of God in the anointing.....And we ARE the anointed ones.
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also sealed us and gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge.
1 John 2:20
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know.
1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
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Uh....Why? Catty is not being in LoveThat is probably a good thing when threads get catty
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Well, so you and BAC are living sinless lives?
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You sure are fiesty lately! Why do you look to trap folks into mistakes? No..we do sin, but if we confess our sin, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness....That means we CAN walk a sinless life and be the righteousness of God in the anointing.... Are you saying that YOU'RE a sinner? Are you saying that you're not the righteousness of God in the anointing? You'd better get right then my friend....
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Good answer. I am covered by Christ's righteousness. By HIS blood am I cleansed.
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Thank you so much. (as though I need anybody's aproval) So you're saying that you're covered by His righteousness but you're not the righteousness of God? In the anointing of course....Or are you saying that you're not anointed? See how dumb these kinds of questions can be?
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God is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So YES B-A-C can be without sin, as can I, as can anybody else who does not practice false humility.
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1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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Reba Maybe you'll want to keep your verses in context when you use them....You cannot apply a statement about unsaved people to saved people...In John 1: 8 and 10 he's talking to the unsaved....Jesus took our sin on himself and was crucified for them and made us the righteousness of God in His anointing.... If I confess my sins, he forgives those sins and washes them away completely...restoring me to righteousness, so yes I CAN say that I have no sin and be totally truthful....Not sure what your bible says, but that's what mine says.
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@Admon Mikha'el posted
I believe that passage is to believers My belief does not make me correct
You believe that passage is to nonbelievers . Your belief does not make you correct.
Looking at the first chapter it really reads to me as written to believers
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
Walking in the Light
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
In chapter 2 it says " My little children " Chapter 2 verse 7 it says "Brethren"
I believe that passage is to believers My belief does not make me correct
You believe that passage is to nonbelievers . Your belief does not make you correct.
Looking at the first chapter it really reads to me as written to believers
1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
Walking in the Light
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
In chapter 2 it says " My little children " Chapter 2 verse 7 it says "Brethren"
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Yeah, but one's doubt doesn't determine what the Scriptures teach. I know someone who believes OSAS because sometimes he doesn't "feel" saved. That doesn't change what the Scriotures say. One of the biggest problems with OSAS is that it gives a false sense if security. People think the can sin and it'll be ok because they can't be lost. Maybe everyone doesn't think like that, but many do. And please don't say they aren't saved. That's putting the cart before the horse. No one has the ability to read another's mind. I think it's better to live life as best one can and if they're not sure, they're not sure., than to live as they choose with certainty only to find out at the resurrection that they were wrong. If we're unsure we tend to try to do better. If we're certain we tend to get lazy. Now, don't misunderstand what I've said here for an argument against the doctrine. This is just opinion. My argument is based in Scripture, not feelings and opinion.
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