Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?

[PloughBoy]

I agree that we are adopted and that Christ is the Father`s only Son. Meaning the image of the Father.

However we still need to acknowledge that when God made Adam, he was perfect. His moral character was untried, however if Adam had obeyed God (continually) then he would not have sinned. Satan however being wily twisted God`s word and deceived Adam and Eve. Makes us very careful to how we stand in the Lord, - be humble not proud.

So do you believe that “GOD” made “Adam” which means “Human” man & female. And “The Perfect Adversary” to do exactly what “GOD” wanted them to do. That He Created all creation through “Christ Jesus” to carry Out His Purpose. And everything is right on schedule, according to His Timeline. Not missing one beat?

That could be a solid, yes or no answer. Too avoid from straying to far from The Thread Title”

“Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?”​

Or if you choose to place the contents into individual applications in relations to the text in question. It is alright with me.

 

[Beetow]

Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?

Had Eve been created with a divine nature, she would've been unwilling to lead her
husband to do something that she knew was wrong for him; and had Adam been
created with a divine nature, he would've refused to be led into sin.

• Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
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[PloughBoy]

Had Eve been created with a divine nature, she would've been unwilling to lead her
husband to do something that she knew was wrong for him; and had Adam been
created with a divine nature, he would've refused to be led into sin.

• Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.
_

GOD does not Tempt anyone BUT He Sure “TEST” us!


New American Standard Bible
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. [tested]

 

[Marilyn C]

So do you believe that “GOD” made “Adam” which means “Human” man & female. And “The Perfect Adversary” to do exactly what “GOD” wanted them to do. That He Created all creation through “Christ Jesus” to carry Out His Purpose. And everything is right on schedule, according to His Timeline. Not missing one beat?

That could be a solid, yes or no answer. Too avoid from straying to far from The Thread Title”

“Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?”​

Or if you choose to place the contents into individual applications in relations to the text in question. It is alright with me.

God didn`t place the fulfillment of His purpose on mankind or angels. God knew that only Himself could fulfill His great purpose.

As to the question `Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?` The question is incomplete.

1. God has the Divine nature - agape love, the giving of Himself. This is revealed according to the need or event. God gives of Himself in loving kindness, mercy, faithfulness, truth, holiness, etc. This Divine nature is eternal, ever giving Himself.

2. Man was created with a human nature which is limited to this earthly sphere. God created Adam perfect and gave him the capacity to give of himself in a variety of ways. Adam could give of himself in - loving kindness, truth, faithfulness, trusting, etc in his daily life.

3. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became -self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

 

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God didn`t place the fulfillment of His purpose on mankind or angels. God knew that only Himself could fulfill His great purpose.

As to the question `Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?` The question is incomplete.

1. God has the Divine nature - agape love, the giving of Himself. This is revealed according to the need or event. God gives of Himself in loving kindness, mercy, faithfulness, truth, holiness, etc. This Divine nature is eternal, ever giving Himself.

2. Man was created with a human nature which is limited to this earthly sphere. God created Adam perfect and gave him the capacity to give of himself in a variety of ways. Adam could give of himself in - loving kindness, truth, faithfulness, trusting, etc in his daily life.

3. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became -self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

@Marilyn C said:-
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. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became -self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

Hello Marilyn,

I like the way you have approached this, and the way you have expressed point 3 particularly, It gives form to the subject, and makes it visible to the eye, and therefore more understandable. I have not seen it put this way before, and praise God for it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

God didn`t place the fulfillment of His purpose on mankind or angels. God knew that only Himself could fulfill His great purpose.

As to the question `Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?` The question is incomplete.

1. God has the Divine nature - agape love, the giving of Himself. This is revealed according to the need or event. God gives of Himself in loving kindness, mercy, faithfulness, truth, holiness, etc. This Divine nature is eternal, ever giving Himself.

2. Man was created with a human nature which is limited to this earthly sphere. God created Adam perfect and gave him the capacity to give of himself in a variety of ways. Adam could give of himself in - loving kindness, truth, faithfulness, trusting, etc in his daily life.

3. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became -self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

Yes, you gave out a lot, to address.

But, I will be kind, to The Author of The Title of The Thread as I did suggested in post # 81.

“That could be a solid, yes or no answer. Too avoid from straying to far from The Thread Title”

And if you choose:

“Or if you choose to place the contents into individual applications in relations to the text in question. It is alright with me.”

And you did chose the latter.

And will show respect to you both.

To you, “Marilyn” and The Author of The Title Thread.

I will take my leave. And not divert,

“Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?”​

Have a nice day.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

But, I will be kind, to The Author of The Title of The Thread as I did suggested in post # 81.

“That could be a solid, yes or no answer. Too avoid from straying to far from The Thread Title”

And if you choose:

“Or if you choose to place the contents into individual applications in relations to the text in question. It is alright with me.”

And you did chose the latter.

And will show respect to you both.

To you, “Marilyn” and The Author of The Title Thread.

I will take my leave. And not divert,

“Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?”​

Have a nice day.

It doesn’t bother me if you speak off topic.

 

[PloughBoy]

It doesn’t bother me if you speak off topic.

But I do respect your “Thread’s Title”, that proves very interesting to give a “Temperature” of Christianity as the days grown closer.
For we can all most see, how The Temperature grows a little cooler and cooler each day. And The Worlds natural climate Change continues to rise.

“for The Time will come, when The love of many will grow Cold”

“what is The Love of GOD, The Love of GOD is, To Keep His Commanments”

 

[PloughBoy]

But I do respect your “Thread’s Title”, that proves very interesting to give a “Temperature” of Christianity as the days grown closer.
For we can all most see, how The Temperature grows a little cooler and cooler each day. And The Worlds natural climate Change continues to rise.

“for The Time will come, when The love of many will grow Cold”

“what is The Love of GOD, The Love of GOD is, To Keep His Commanments”

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

We cannot explain this away. Our Love is entirely different between one another than we have for The People of This World, that love for them is a “benevolent love”. And cannot be a Brotherly or a sisterly love generated By “Our FATHER “ who is not Their father.

 

[Beetow]

The three verses below verify that David's seed, in relation to Christ, was produced
by David's body.

• Ps 89:3-4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to David My
servant: I will establish your seed forever, and build up your throne to all
generations

• Ps 132:11 . .The Lord has sworn to David, a truth from which He will not turn
back: Of the fruit of your body I will set upon your throne.

• Ps 89:35-36 . . Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.
His seed shall endure forever, and his throne as the sun before me.

The New Testament verifies that Jesus satisfies the requirement in those Psalms.

• Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The Greek word for "seed" in that passage is sperma (sper'-mah) which is a bit
ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as well as to biological progeny;
for example:

• Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

Abraham's seed in that verse obviously refers to spiritual progeny; whereas David's
seed in the passages above refers to biological progeny because David's seed is
1) the fruit of his body and 2) according to the flesh.

FAQ: How does belonging to Christ make someone Abraham's seed?

REPLY: In a nutshell; Christ's followers are baptized members of his physical body,
i.e. the very body in which he was crucified and rose from the dead (Rom 6:3 and
Eph 5:30). Well; Jesus' body was the fruit of David's body; and David's body was
the fruit of Abraham's body.

NOTE: The nutshell above hints to what it means to be "in Christ"
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[StewardoftheMystery]

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

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Subject Heading:- Are we first born with a Divine nature or a sin nature?​

'And so it is written,
.. The first man Adam was made a living soul;
.... the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual,
.. but that which is natural;
.... and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy:
the second man is the Lord from heaven.
.. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy:
.... and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
...... And as we have borne the image of the earthy,
........ we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.'
(1 Cor 15:45-49)

 

[Marilyn C]

Thank you for the encouragement, Chris.

 

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God didn`t place the fulfillment of His purpose on mankind or angels. God knew that only Himself could fulfill His great purpose.

As to the question `Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?` The question is incomplete.

1. God has the Divine nature - agape love, the giving of Himself. This is revealed according to the need or event. God gives of Himself in loving kindness, mercy, faithfulness, truth, holiness, etc. This Divine nature is eternal, ever giving Himself.

2. Man was created with a human nature which is limited to this earthly sphere. God created Adam perfect and gave him the capacity to give of himself in a variety of ways. Adam could give of himself in - loving kindness, truth, faithfulness, trusting, etc in his daily life.

3. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became -self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

Hello Marilyn C,

Your magnification of the the word 'Agape', the Love that God has for us, has opened this subject up to me, and brought into focus that whole event in Genesis 3, Like the introduction of sunlight on a garden of flowers, in Glorious technicolour! I shall certainly be sharing this.

Marilyn C said:-
1. God has the Divine nature - agape love, the giving of Himself. This is revealed according to the need or event. God gives of Himself in loving kindness, mercy, faithfulness, truth, holiness, etc. This Divine nature is eternal, ever giving Himself.

2. Man was created with a human nature which is limited to this earthly sphere. God created Adam perfect and gave him the capacity to give of himself in a variety of ways. Adam could give of himself in - loving kindness, truth, faithfulness, trusting, etc in his daily life.

3. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became - self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

* Especially point No. 3, which provides a good way to judge our motivations, and determine our actions.

Thank you again, Marilyn
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Beetow]

Agape love is a garden variety of love that anybody can exemplify because it's
simply benevolence, for example: courtesy, sympathy, kindness, generosity,
charity, lenience, tolerance, civility, etc.

An example of agape love is located in John 3:16 where God sacrificed His own son
for the benefit of the world at large. There's nothing personal in that; it's just a
class action of sympathy for no one in particular.

Agape love is okay as far as it goes, but I much prefer phileo love. It's superior to
agape because phileo love is that which is felt for family and BFFs, i.e. those
closest to our hearts, viz: phileo love is personal. i.e. it expresses attachment
combined with the emotions of affection and fondness. For example, addressing
his apostles, Jesus said:

• John 16:27 . . For the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me, and
have believed that I came forth from the Father.
_

 

[PloughBoy]

God didn`t place the fulfillment of His purpose on mankind or angels. God knew that only Himself could fulfill His great purpose.

As to the question `Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?` The question is incomplete.

1. God has the Divine nature - agape love, the giving of Himself. This is revealed according to the need or event. God gives of Himself in loving kindness, mercy, faithfulness, truth, holiness, etc. This Divine nature is eternal, ever giving Himself.

2. Man was created with a human nature which is limited to this earthly sphere. God created Adam perfect and gave him the capacity to give of himself in a variety of ways. Adam could give of himself in - loving kindness, truth, faithfulness, trusting, etc in his daily life.

3. However when Adam chose to not give of Himself but to take to himself, then his moral nature was damaged. Adam`s motivation became -self centered, selfish. This is the sin nature. Adam chose not to trust God that what He said was truthful, Adam chose to receive something for himself. - to be wise apart from God. (Gen. 3: 6)

A woman must quietlyreceive instruction with entiresubmissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adamwho was first [h]created, and thenEve. 14And it was not Adam whowas deceived, but the woman was 1 Timothy 2 New American Standard Bibledeceived and [j]became a wrongdoer.

Now May a man Speak?

It had Nothing to do with “Trust” or Knowledge for “Adam“, knew what would Happen if He Ate from That “TREE”; that he would die!

“BUT”! It was That Woman YOU! Gave To me! The [Most Beautiful Creature He EVer Seen and when he Mated with her! “GAme Over”!

She Gave To Me! And I ATE!

That woman was worth “Dying for”!

And still today! “Men are still dying many kinds of Death for That “Creature”

Men like The Female Species.
She can make men Turn their back on GOD. The Bible Testifies to This TRUTH from Genesis To Revelation.

Now you may have permission to reply.

 

[Marilyn C]

A woman must quietlyreceive instruction with entiresubmissiveness. 12But I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13For it was Adamwho was first [h]created, and thenEve. 14And it was not Adam whowas deceived, but the woman was 1 Timothy 2 New American Standard Bibledeceived and [j]became a wrongdoer.

Now May a man Speak?

It had Nothing to do with “Trust” or Knowledge for “Adam“, knew what would Happen if He Ate from That “TREE”; that he would die!

“BUT”! It was That Woman YOU! Gave To me! The [Most Beautiful Creature He EVer Seen and when he Mated with her! “GAme Over”!

She Gave To Me! And I ATE!

That woman was worth “Dying for”!

And still today! “Men are still dying many kinds of Death for That “Creature”

Men like The Female Species.
She can make men Turn their back on GOD. The Bible Testifies to This TRUTH from Genesis To Revelation.

Now you may have permission to reply.

Hi PloughBoy,

We need to see what the Lord is really saying in those verses and not what man would place upon us.

`silence,` Gk. `heauchazo` meaning meddlesome speech.

`authority,` actually usurp authority, Gk. `authenteo,` to dominate, usurp authority over.

So we see that the women Paul was referring to were meddlesome and trying to dominate others.

Marilyn.

 

[PloughBoy]

Hi PloughBoy,

We need to see what the Lord is really saying in those verses and not what man would place upon us.

`silence,` Gk. `heauchazo` meaning meddlesome speech.

`authority,` actually usurp authority, Gk. `authenteo,` to dominate, usurp authority over.

So we see that the women Paul was referring to were meddlesome and trying to dominate others.

Marilyn.

Marilyn, GOD only Speaks, one Language,

The Language that youu can understand. You do not have go to Greece.

“whenThe Plain Sense Of Scripture, Makes Common Sense, seek No other Sense”

Marilyn, you fully understand what he is saying. In plain English. Because I do believe English is your native Language.

Sit back relax, and enjoy The Text, we might not like what we read in our own language, But, It is called “The Love of GOD” and let it Carve away upon our Soul. shaping us And Molding is a Skill Carpenter, Carving Away with a Sharp knife in His Hand.

I do understand every word you are saying.

Relax, Let The “Potter” do His Work!