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Are we firstborn with a Divine nature or a sin nature?

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It’s not about what you are, or what you think I might be. It is about what the Word of God says is True.

If a sinner says, I am a sinner, therefore the words of God must not be true, concerning being made free from sin.

The sinner then judges the words of God as being false based on “his own condition”’ and not on “faith” in God’s Word, which can indeed make him free.
1Jn 1:8 If we boast that we have no sin, we’re only fooling ourselves and are strangers to the truth.
1Jn 1:9 But if we freely admit our sins when his light uncovers them, he will be faithful to forgive us every time. God is just to forgive us our sins because of Christ, and he will continue to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we claim that we’re not guilty of sin when God uncovers it with his light, we make him a liar and his word is not in us. (TPT)

The process of being made holy is just as important as the end results.

Php 1:6 I pray with great faith for you, because I’m fully convinced that the One who began this glorious work in you will faithfully continue the process of maturing you and will put his finishing touches to it until the unveiling of our Lord Jesus Christ! (TPT)
 
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Ok, here you go…. 2 Peter 1:4

1:4 - Whereby G1223 G3739 are given G1433 unto us G2254 exceeding great G3176 and G2532 precious G5093promises: G1862 that G2443 by G1223these G5130 ye might be G1096partakers G2844 of the divine G2304nature, G5449 having escaped G668the corruption G5356 that is in G1722the world G2889 through G1722lust. G1939

Divine=G23O4

KJV Translation Count — Total: 3x
The KJV translates Strong's G2304 in the following manner: divine (2x), Godhead (1x).

Strong’s Definitions
θεῖος theîos, thi'-os; from G2316; godlike (neuter as noun, divinity):—divine, godhead.

Outline of Biblical Usage
  1. a general name of deities or divinities as used by the Greeks
  2. spoken of the only and true God, trinity
    1. of Christ
    2. Holy Spirit
    3. the Father

Thank you!

Would you consider the breath of life that was breathed into us Divine?

How about the image that we were made in? Male and female?
 
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Word, which can indeed make him free.
The Truth indeed makes one free. Make is a process, the process of God's will for us, our sanctification. There's a way to escape now that God is your Father and that Jesus has overcome and the Parakletos leads us. Triple threat protection against the lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life.

We know this, that that old man couldn't escape! But because God has intervened making us that new creature we can escape! And when needed Jesus has a hook at the end of His staff! As the sun rises things become clearer than they once were. When the fog subsides your sight distance increases.

my current understanding,
Mister
 
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1Jn 1:8 If we boast that we have no sin, we’re only fooling ourselves and are strangers to the truth.
1Jn 1:9 But if we freely admit our sins when his light uncovers them, he will be faithful to forgive us every time. God is just to forgive us our sins because of Christ, and he will continue to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we claim that we’re not guilty of sin when God uncovers it with his light, we make him a liar and his word is not in us. (TPT)

The process of being made holy is just as important as the end results.

Php 1:6 I pray with great faith for you, because I’m fully convinced that the One who began this glorious work in you will faithfully continue the process of maturing you and will put his finishing touches to it until the unveiling of our Lord Jesus Christ! (TPT)
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We are servants to whom we obey, and are “marked” according to whom we serve. Serve God by serving Righteousness.
 
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Thank you!

Would you consider the breath of life that was breathed into us Divine?

How about the image that we were made in? Male and female?
Every living creature that breathes has the breath of life, as all “living” things come from God. But we know not all the beasts the Lord God had made was “Holy” or “Divine” , like the serpent.

But the “image” of God does speak of His Divine nature, which man (Adam) was first made in the likeness of, being made “perfect in his ways” like God.

But as you know, something happened when Adam and Eve sinned. They were removed from the garden and from God’s presence.

This is when the “image” of God in man was corrupted by sin.

So yes, Adam was first made “perfect in his ways” like God, that is until iniquity was found in Adam.

Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
 
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Every living creature that breathes has the breath of life, as all “living” things come from God. But we know not all the beasts the Lord God had made was “Holy” or “Divine” , like the serpent.

But the “image” of God does speak of His Divine nature, which man (Adam) was first made in the likeness of, being made “perfect in his ways” like God.

But as you know, something happened when Adam and Eve sinned. They were removed from the garden and from God’s presence.

This is when the “image” of God in man was corrupted by sin.

So yes, Adam was first made “perfect in his ways” like God, that is until iniquity was found in Adam.

Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Thank you!

If God cannot be tempted by evil, than how can that image of God in man become corrupted?


Here is my point….

We hold a divine nature. (Innately within us- The seed/ or blueprint if you will) Made in the image of Eternity itself, placed within our hearts.

Ecclesiastes 3:11
“He has made everything beautiful in its time! He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.”

So we indeed hold Both! A divine nature (godlike/Eternal/ Spirt/breath) AND a Sin(animal/fleshy) nature.

Because of our lower instincts of the animal in us(serpent!) cover up the divine nature in us. And stops the growth of it! Hence living by every Word of God! Because his words are Spirit And they are Life!

Thus the request for the -renewal-(washing/cleansing) of that divine nature so it may grow and the fleshy aspect decreased. Hence the instructions for Living!

It would very much be like a scale.

The scale started out balanced. When he gained knowledge of himself, the scale dropped; weighted heavy.

By “working out our salvation with “Love!”, the scale is balanced back again. Thus “reconciled”, washed, makes white as snow!

Or like wearing a white coat, and walking through the swamp. Your coat will be black as the mud, by the time you make it through. Hence your coat having to be washed!

One only cancels out the other, when one is focused on more than the other….

Hence…Seek Gods Righetousness, and be perfect just like our Heavenly Father! Put to death the carnality in the Flesh(set free from the law of sin and death) and live from the Spirit you are!!! (Law of the Spirit of Life that bath set me free from the law of sin as death!- Flesh!-desires!!!)

For each produces after it’s own kind! In every aspect and in every way.

Flesh by flesh; Spirit by Spirit.

*Flesh/Spirit by Flesh/Spirit
(the Creation!)

Spirit/Flesh by Spirit/flesh
(The new Creation!- First came the natural-flesh….Then came the Spirit(ual)

Like as if Adam and Eve started kindergarten. (The OT- The physical; Flesh) And Paul’s letter the graduation(The NT- The Spiritual) The graduation was Christ! “Anointed human” or the Spirit nature to its *full measure*!!! Within the Human.
The First 4gospels, Kindergarten-6th. The summarization of the OT- Teachings on the death of the flesh.
The letters to the churches; 7-12th.
Teaching on walking in the Spirit. To graduation!

*As in Adam all die. So in Christ all are made alive!

1God presides in the divine assembly;

He renders judgment among the gods:

2“How long will you judge unjustlya

and show partiality to the wicked?

Selah
3Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;

uphold the rights of the afflicted and oppressed.

4Rescue the weak and needy;

save them from the hand of the wicked.

5They do not know or understand;

they wander in the darkness;

all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6I have said, ‘You are gods;

you are all sons of the Most High.’b

7But like mortals you will die,

and like rulers you will fall.”

8Arise, O God, judge the earth,

for all the nations are Your inheritance.
……..

The evolution of the Divine Human being, who was made a little lower than all the angels. Fell lower than all the angels, Yet raised high above them. Everything put under his feet, including the judgment of angels themselves, when all is complete!
 
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Thank you!

If God cannot be tempted by evil, than how can that image of God in man become corrupted?


Here is my point….

We hold a divine nature. (Innately within us- The seed/ or blueprint if you will) Made in the image of Eternity itself, placed within our hearts.

Ecclesiastes 3:11
“He has made everything beautiful in its time! He has also set eternity in the human heart; yet no one can fathom what God has done from beginning to end.”

So we indeed hold Both! A divine nature (godlike/Eternal/ Spirt/breath) AND a Sin(animal/fleshy) nature.

Because of our lower instincts of the animal in us(serpent!) cover up the divine nature in us. And stops the growth of it! Hence living by every Word of God! Because his words are Spirit And they are Life!

Thus the request for the -renewal-(washing/cleansing) of that divine nature so it may grow and the fleshy aspect decreased. Hence the instructions for Living!

It would very much be like a scale.

The scale started out balanced. When he gained knowledge of himself, the scale dropped; weighted heavy.

By “working out our salvation with “Love!”, the scale is balanced back again. Thus “reconciled”, washed, makes white as snow!

Or like wearing a white coat, and walking through the swamp. Your coat will be black as the mud, by the time you make it through. Hence your coat having to be washed!

One only cancels out the other, when one is focused on more than the other….

Hence…Seek Gods Righetousness, and be perfect just like our Heavenly Father! Put to death the carnality in the Flesh(set free from the law of sin and death) and live from the Spirit you are!!! (Law of the Spirit of Life that bath set me free from the law of sin as death!- Flesh!-desires!!!)

For each produces after it’s own kind! In every aspect and in every way.

Flesh by flesh; Spirit by Spirit.

*Flesh/Spirit by Flesh/Spirit
(the Creation!)

Spirit/Flesh by Spirit/flesh
(The new Creation!- First came the natural-flesh….Then came the Spirit(ual)

Like as if Adam and Eve started kindergarten. (The OT- The physical; Flesh) And Paul’s letter the graduation(The NT- The Spiritual) The graduation was Christ! “Anointed human” or the Spirit nature to its *full measure*!!! Within the Human.
The First 4gospels, Kindergarten-6th. The summarization of the OT- Teachings on the death of the flesh.
The letters to the churches; 7-12th.
Teaching on walking in the Spirit. To graduation!

*As in Adam all die. So in Christ all are made alive!

1God presides in the divine assembly;

He renders judgment among the gods:

2“How long will you judge unjustlya

and show partiality to the wicked?

Selah
3Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;

uphold the rights of the afflicted and oppressed.

4Rescue the weak and needy;

save them from the hand of the wicked.

5They do not know or understand;

they wander in the darkness;

all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

6I have said, ‘You are gods;

you are all sons of the Most High.’b

7But like mortals you will die,

and like rulers you will fall.”

8Arise, O God, judge the earth,

for all the nations are Your inheritance.
……..

The evolution of the Divine Human being, who was made a little lower than all the angels. Fell lower than all the angels, Yet raised high above them. Everything put under his feet, including the judgment of angels themselves, when all is complete!
Man corrupted the image of God in himself by sin.

Romans 1:21-25​

King James Version​

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Genesis 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:
 
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Man corrupted the image of God in himself by sin.

Romans 1:21-25​

King James Version​

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Genesis 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

“Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(Saw the Divine in themselves, and raised themselves above that which gave them life!)


22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(because of The God part in them, yet “trapped” and blinded by their own fleshly desires)

“23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God (within them) into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(Because of his blindness,(scales over his eyes!)

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie,(that he was separate!!!) and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
(Lost in his self separation, only seeing Life outside of himself!- worshiping that which is outside of himself!)

who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Seth, being the 3rd Son, was the linage to humanity. Producing Noah!
Which shows both a righteous man, in a fallen state. (Both Natures represented!)
 
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“Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(Saw the Divine in themselves, and raised themselves above that which gave them life!)


22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(because of The God part in them, yet “trapped” and blinded by their own fleshly desires)

“23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God (within them) into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
(Because of his blindness,(scales over his eyes!)

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie,(that he was separate!!!) and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator,
(Lost in his self separation, only seeing Life outside of himself!- worshiping that which is outside of himself!)

who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Seth, being the 3rd Son, was the linage to humanity. Producing Noah!
Which shows both a righteous man, in a fallen state. (Both Natures represented!)
Here is what you need to keep in mind. Sin separates us from God’s Holy presence. So when sin came into man, God’s presence went.

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

The only way for God’s glory and presence to return back into the temple of our body is to remove the darkness of sin.

This is why God sent His Son into the world to remove our sins, so we can have God’s presence restored back in us. When the light of His glory enters into your house, the darkness will flee.

Jesus Christ is the express image and glory of the invisible God.

Hebrews 1:2-3

King James Version

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:”
 
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Here is what you need to keep in mind. Sin separates us from God’s Holy presence. So when sin came into man, God’s presence went.

Isaiah 59:2
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

The only way for God’s glory and presence to return back into the temple of our body is to remove the darkness of sin.

This is why God sent His Son into the world to remove our sins, so we can have God’s presence restored back in us. When the light of His glory enters into your house, the darkness will flee.

Jesus Christ is the express image and glory of the invisible God.

Hebrews 1:2-3​

King James Version​

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:”

That is only to be kept in mind if you are still of the Flesh. Because God cannot be separated from itself.

This is Why Jesus Is Considered to Be God. For His Father is the Father of Spirits. Is in all, through all, and Over(or around) All. It is also why he looses none. Because you can’t. It’s who we truly are. Family of Spirit:) And Spirit is One!!!

We put up a wall….When we fell. We did that. Not God. We Judge ourself. We place ourself in Hell. And by doing so, cannot hear HIS voice.
(He descended into Hell!!!)

(What does he descended mean, but that he ascended?!?)

It’s written (and understood) backwards!

“But -your- iniquities have separated between you and -your- (inner) God,

(That they took for (as) themselves and Worshiped each other and that which was around it, thus placing a veil/wall!!! )

The judgement was us thinking we know better in our own pride. And he gave us the chance to prove it. And we failed alone. Because the flesh can do nothing, even with all it’s pretty glitter:)

and -your- sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
(That -you-cannot hear-)
because the ears and eyes never grew!- Stunted!

We have to go from a “seed” (in all it’s ways spoken) to the full measure of its -potiential- ***by Choice!***

**Continue to Choose Death, and stay trapped, or Choose Life, and be Free, FINALLY!!!
(So much Time!!!!)

Other Religions fail, because they are still trying to worship the Flesh( on the outside mainstreams). But deep(er) within them, contains what needs to be given next, to get you to that point. A spiral upward. To “ascend” it!!!

You can think of it like a fail safe. (If you ridicule the Truth, no one will want to look at it!!!)

As he opened up (and preserved!!!) His knowledge to the Whole World. And did it through google….lol
(Still need discernment though!)

What’s understood as “being saved”.
(Living by the EVERY WORD of God!)

That “seed” germinated and fertilized. Which like the wheat plant, has to “die” first before it can truly sprout. (equipped!-by life itself!!!)
***Facing yourself. Accepting yourself. For all that you are. Spirit(gentile) and Flesh(Jew).
(Also called shadow work/ or dark night of the Soul)

(Why it was Paul chosen)

And then the two become one(in the same-body—(Physical/Spiritual) Peace between the two. (Heaven (Spirit)ON Earth(Flesh)

It’s Fractaled; Multi-dimential!
(“In my Fathers house are many mansions.” - and we are just one (type) of universe x billions!!!!

(Physical and Spiritual- reflected! As above, so below; On Earth, as it is in Heaven! )
Science even backs this one up. Just not in the imaginations of man….
Through Physics.


Which is why I make such a big deal about those who choose to chain themselves to One Book. I mean the Literal Source of all that we are, confined to a tree!!!! Tying his hands and feet!!!! So as he can’t move….!!!!!!!!!
“My God, My God, why have they forsaken -You-“…..

It’s repulsive and disturbing….but so is the rest of our sin…so there is that also!
……

“This is why God sent His Son into the world to remove our sins, so we can have God’s presence restored back in us. When the light of His glory enters into your house, the darkness will flee.”

I can come a litte closer to this:)

He doesn’t remove them. He “covers” them, as in A-Z. And left a path for us Follow. That was not all charted!!!!— For it becomes a very broad road!!! And need that ‘cloud’ in front of you in this wilderness….

(Those who put my words into practice are like…..)
With the Light that shine >within< Him.

He did save Humanity. He did sacrifice himself(his inner human nature/ ego (flesh!)

And did shed his blood, to do it. And in doing so, used it as a symbol of the Life (bread) and Word(s)(Wine/Spirit/LIFE)

Found within him!!!(by His God, and our God!!!-Within!)
- Only giving what was given too him!

Thus Becoming THE (True) Christ! Or a True Son of God.
“Today you have become my Son. In whom I’m well pleased!”

For he Is the Light spoken in Genesis.
“And God said “Let there be light”, and there was light”.
(The First among many brothers. )
The Alpha.

Then God said, Let there be….
And God(“son”) did…..and it was good!
(Created ~Throu~ Him!!!)

The Logos.
(In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God, and the Word was God)


John 8:12
Then Jesus again spoke to them, saying, “I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.”

John 9:5
While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world.”

Isaiah 42:6
“I am the Lord, I have called You in righteousness,
I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You,
And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people,
As a light to the nations,

Luke 2:32
A Light of —revelation—to the Gentiles,
And the —-glory —-of Your people Israel.”

John 12:46
I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness.)or sin)

John 3:19
This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

There is much more, but I best stop, else I find myself a hypocrite shoving it all at once!
 
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The seed of David according to the flesh does not mean David was Jesus's father.
An angel announced baby Jesus' conception as David's progeny.

Luke 1:32 . .The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

God requires every man that succeeds David to be related to him by blood; no
exceptions.

2Sam 7:12-16 …And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy
fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels,

Ps 89:4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen one; I have sworn to My
servant David: I will establish your offspring forever, I will confirm your throne to
all generations.

Ps 89:35-38 . . I will not violate My covenant, or change what I have uttered. I
have sworn by My holiness, once and for all; I will not be false to David. His line
shall continue forever, his throne, as the sun before Me, as the moon, established
forever, an enduring witness in the sky.

Jesus claimed he was not the son of David.
Rev 22:16 . . I am the root and the offspring of David (cf. Isa 11:1)
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Matt 22:41-45 . .While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them:
What do you think about Messiah? Whose son is he? The son of David; they replied.

. . . He said to them: How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him
lord? For he says: The Lord said to my lord; "Sit at my right hand until I put your
enemies under your feet." If then David calls him lord; how can he be his son?

That's a reference to Ps 110:1 wherein there are two distinctly different Hebrew
words translated by the English word "lord".

The first is Jehovah (a.k.a. Yahweh) which is a name restricted to God's use. (Isa
42:8)

The second is 'adown, which is a common word for superiors in the Old Testament;
both human and divine, for instance: Sarah referred to her husband as 'adown
(Gen 18:12).The people of Heth addressed Abraham as 'adown (Gen 23:5-6).
Abraham's trusted servant referred to him as 'adown (Gen 24:12). Rachel
addressed her father Laban as 'adown (Gen 31:35). And Jacob addressed Esau as
'adown (Gen 33:8). And God is spoken of as 'adown too, e.g. Isa 1:24 and Isa 3:1
et al.

Ps 110:1 says, in so many words, that Messiah is superior to David, which is
normally unthinkable seeing as the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with
God ranks parents above their children. (Ex 20:12)

Now, the thing is: David has no superiors relative to kings on earth, seeing as he
was given the rank of God's firstborn son in that respect.

Ps 89:20-27 . . I have found My servant David; with My holy oil I have anointed
him . . I will make him My firstborn, the highest of the kings of the earth.

The rank of firstborn normally falls to the eldest son, but is transferrable to a younger
sibling; for example: Jacob and Esau, Manasseh and Ephraim, and Reuben and Joseph.

However, never had a son in Israel taken his father's place of superiority; yet there
is David's son in Ps 110:1 not only outranking him, but also seated in Heaven;
which is far, far above David's pay grade, so to speak.

The theologians of Jesus' day knew the Old Testament practically word for word,
but they couldn't always explain it. No doubt they were aware that Psalm 110:1
speaks of Messiah, and that he would be superior to David; but what they hadn't as
yet figured out is how this one particular man of David's posterity could possibly
become so incredibly exalted.

Well, in order for one of David's sons to outrank their father, the man would have
to somehow, in some way, be positioned as a divine monarch rather than an ordinary
monarch. There can be no other explanation; but it would've been tantamount to
blasphemy, in the Pharisee's opinion, to consent to such a thing; so they fell silent.

Matt 22:46 . . No one could say a word in reply

NOTE: Christians have lots of words to say in reply beginning with Isa 52:13 & Phil 2:7-11

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Why “Test” me? Who is The Real Testor, a mere mortal man.

Jesus is on a Mission, given Him by His Father. How Can we even entertain a thought of a mere mortal man or a Devil Can “Test” “.The Son of The Living GOD”

Unless we believe that “Jesus The Anointed of GOD” is not The Son of The Living GOD who is “The WORD of GOD” taken on Flesh and walking among His own Creation.:pensive:

How dare we could think, a mortal or a devil could even “Test” GOD. Their creator.

That is why it is True! Many Claim they Believe That Jesus Is The Very WORD of GOD! But they do not believe it by the very words and Thoughts that come out of their mouths.

A man can never nor has The Ability to “Test” or Trick “GOD”.:pensive:Nor a Devil.

Tell me how a creature can test his own creator.

It cannot be none.

“Why Test Me” [it cannot be none”]

Bouncing off Post #3 and related posts, concerning “The Christ of GOD”

The Anointed One, and Those who where trying To “Test” Him.
 
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An angel announced baby Jesus' conception as David's progeny.

Luke 1:32 . .The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

God requires every man that succeeds David to be related to him by blood; no
exceptions.

2Sam 7:12-16 …And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy
fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels,

Ps 89:4 . . I have made a covenant with My chosen one; I have sworn to My
servant David: I will establish your offspring forever, I will confirm your throne to
all generations.

Ps 89:35-38 . . I will not violate My covenant, or change what I have uttered. I
have sworn by My holiness, once and for all; I will not be false to David. His line
shall continue forever, his throne, as the sun before Me, as the moon, established
forever, an enduring witness in the sky.

Rev 22:16 . . I am the root and the offspring of David (cf. Isa 11:1)
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The term "son of David" was a messianic phrase referring to the coming Christ. (messiah)
The term "son of David" was also referring to someone who is a direct descendant of David.

Not only was Jesus called "the son of David", so was Abraham, and Joseph Mary's husband they were all called the son of David!

Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Jesus was an adopted son of David through Joseph because Joseph was not his father. God is Jesus's father. On the other hand, Jesus would be a descendant of David through his Mother Mary. (Luke 3)

Jesus asks the question of how could Christ be the son of David if David himself called him Lord.

Mat 22:42 saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him, “The son of David.
Mat 22:43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying,
Mat 22:44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet”’?
Mat 22:45 If then David calls him Lord, how is he his son?”
Mat 22:46 And no one was able to answer him a word, nor from that day did anyone dare to ask him any more questions.

They could not answer because the one who is called Lord would be greater than the one who is called his son.
 
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FAQ: If Jesus is among Adam's posterity, then wouldn't Romans 5:12 apply to him
just the same as the rest of Adam's posterity?

REPLY: Yes.


FAQ: Then how can it be said that Jesus was a lamb without blemish or spot?

REPLY: The forbidden fruit incident was Adam's sin; Jesus committed no sins of his
own. (John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22)

FAQ: Why didn't Jesus end up in hell fire for Adam's sin?


REPLY: The appropriate punishment for Adam's sin is simply mortality, i.e. when
Jesus passed away on the cross, he was done with Romans 5:12.
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I have come across a belief in these forums that all men are firstborn with a "Divine nature" given to us when we take our first breath. I believe this idea is based on Hindu and Buddhist beliefs, but is not based on the words of God.

So the question is this "is man first born with a "sin nature" or not? As I would like to take the time to comment on this issue according to scripture. I absolutely believe man is born with a nature to sin. This sin nature was introduced into the world through Adams' sin; and by the "spirit" of he who is "in" the world also dwells in the "firstborn nature" of man, which is "flesh". Jesus said that which born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The word "flesh" in that verse denotes a beast like, earthly sin nature, that is separated from divine influence, and is therefore prone to sin and opposed to God. That is the "enmity" God spoke of in the beginning between the serpents seed and the woman's seed. God also said in Genesis 6:3 that His Spirit shall not always "strive" with man, for that he also is "flesh". Again, this shows the "enmity" between man's "first nature" which is "flesh" and God's Holy Spirit.

We are told in Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

This is what I believe Paul was also showing here in the "law of sin and death" in Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from "the law of sin and death". Paul is not talking about God's holy law here, but a "natural law" that we are all firstborn "under." Like the law of gravity, we are all first born under "this law of sin".

Paul also said in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were "made sinners", so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

And we are not made righteous until we are "born again" from above by God's Holy Spirit of promise, and are then "made free" from this first "sin nature".

There are 2 seeds, one corruptible the other incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23) just as there are "2 natures". The first is "earthy" and of the "flesh" and is also "carnally minded" which is "of" the "spirit" of this world, and is found "in" the first Adam after iniquity was found "in" man (Adam). The second seed is of the "Holy Spirit", and is of God, sent forth in "the seed" of Promise; even in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ from heaven. We are told in 1 Corinthians 15:46 that which is "first is natural", and afterward (after being born again of the Spirit) that which is "spiritual." So we are not first born "holy", we are firstborn "sinners".

Here is an example of the first "nature" in Ephesians 2:3 “Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the "lusts of our flesh", fulfilling the "desires of the flesh" and of "the mind"; and were "by nature" the children of wrath, even as others.”

So we are first "natural born sinners".

Now some believe there is an age of accountability for children, but I believe the scriptures also prove this idea false. In Psalm 51:5 “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” And also here in Psalm 58:3 “The wicked are "estranged from the womb": they go astray as soon as they
be born, speaking lies.” Also the Lord said in Genesis 8:21… for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; ….”

So that is some sound scriptural proof to confirm this point. But think about this; if man did not first have a "sin nature" from first being born of the "flesh" and also "carnally minded"; then why would man have to be “born again” and made a “new man” in Christ by way of the Holy Spirit?

The old man of sin must die, we must put to death the deeds of the flesh, and the body of sin must also be destroyed in us. And when this happens by the power of God in Jesus Christ, we then are also raised up a "new man" in Him and given a "new nature" and "new mind" by the Spirit of the Living God. We are then made new creatures in Christ, the old things pass away, and behold, all things become new.

Our hearts must be changed, the spirit of our minds must be renewed in Jesus Christ Ephesians 4:23 “And be renewed in "the spirit of your mind;"

You must be born again! Peace and God bless

Amen, amen and amen. Thank you Lord for my new nature in Christ Jesus!
 
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Had Adam been created with divine nature, then neither he nor Eve would've
played around with the forbidden fruit.

Jas 1:13 . . God cannot be tempted by evil

1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in
him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Adam was created by God which is quite a bit different than born of God: the one is
handiwork, the other is progeny. To my knowledge, nobody but Jesus is God's
progeny, viz: he's God's one and only begotten son; all His other sons are adopted.
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Adam was created perfect, however he was vulnerable as his moral nature had not been tested. He failed.
 
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Adam was created perfect
Adam was a creature-- i.e. God's handiwork --just a naked ape. Had he been God's
progeny instead of God's handiwork, Adam wouldn't have followed his wife's lead.

1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in
him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Jesus is often referred to in the New Testament as God's "only begotten son" and
that's because God has no other progeny besides Jesus. All the rest of God's sons
are adopted, viz: God's seed is in Jesus; which is no doubt why he never
committed even one sin during his entire life. (2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22)
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Adam was a creature-- i.e. God's handiwork --just a naked ape. Had he been God's
progeny instead of God's handiwork, Adam wouldn't have followed his wife's lead.

1John 3:9 . .Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in
him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Jesus is often referred to in the New Testament as God's "only begotten son" and
that's because God has no other progeny besides Jesus. All the rest of God's sons
are adopted, viz: God's seed is in Jesus; which is no doubt why he never
committed even one sin during his entire life. (2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22)
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I agree that we are adopted and that Christ is the Father`s only Son. Meaning the image of the Father.

However we still need to acknowledge that when God made Adam, he was perfect. His moral character was untried, however if Adam had obeyed God (continually) then he would not have sinned. Satan however being wily twisted God`s word and deceived Adam and Eve. Makes us very careful to how we stand in the Lord, - be humble not proud.
 
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