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I have come across a belief in these forums that all men are firstborn with a "Divine nature" given to us when we take our first breath. I believe this idea is based on Hindu and Buddhist beliefs, but is not based on the words of God.
So the question is this "is man first born with a "sin nature" or not? As I would like to take the time to comment on this issue according to scripture. I absolutely believe man is born with a nature to sin. This sin nature was introduced into the world through Adams' sin; and by the "spirit" of he who is "in" the world also dwells in the "firstborn nature" of man, which is "flesh". Jesus said that which born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
The word "flesh" in that verse denotes a beast like, earthly sin nature, that is separated from divine influence, and is therefore prone to sin and opposed to God. That is the "enmity" God spoke of in the beginning between the serpents seed and the woman's seed. God also said in Genesis 6:3 that His Spirit shall not always "strive" with man, for that he also is "flesh". Again, this shows the "enmity" between man's "first nature" which is "flesh" and God's Holy Spirit.
We are told in Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
This is what I believe Paul was also showing here in the "law of sin and death" in Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from "the law of sin and death". Paul is not talking about God's holy law here, but a "natural law" that we are all firstborn "under." Like the law of gravity, we are all first born under "this law of sin".
Paul also said in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were "made sinners", so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”
And we are not made righteous until we are "born again" from above by God's Holy Spirit of promise, and are then "made free" from this first "sin nature".
There are 2 seeds, one corruptible the other incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23) just as there are "2 natures". The first is "earthy" and of the "flesh" and is also "carnally minded" which is "of" the "spirit" of this world, and is found "in" the first Adam after iniquity was found "in" man (Adam). The second seed is of the "Holy Spirit", and is of God, sent forth in "the seed" of Promise; even in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ from heaven. We are told in 1 Corinthians 15:46 that which is "first is natural", and afterward (after being born again of the Spirit) that which is "spiritual." So we are not first born "holy", we are firstborn "sinners".
Here is an example of the first "nature" in Ephesians 2:3 “Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the "lusts of our flesh", fulfilling the "desires of the flesh" and of "the mind"; and were "by nature" the children of wrath, even as others.”
So we are first "natural born sinners".
Now some believe there is an age of accountability for children, but I believe the scriptures also prove this idea false. In Psalm 51:5 “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” And also here in Psalm 58:3 “The wicked are "estranged from the womb": they go astray as soon as they
be born, speaking lies.” Also the Lord said in Genesis 8:21… for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; ….”
So that is some sound scriptural proof to confirm this point. But think about this; if man did not first have a "sin nature" from first being born of the "flesh" and also "carnally minded"; then why would man have to be “born again” and made a “new man” in Christ by way of the Holy Spirit?
The old man of sin must die, we must put to death the deeds of the flesh, and the body of sin must also be destroyed in us. And when this happens by the power of God in Jesus Christ, we then are also raised up a "new man" in Him and given a "new nature" and "new mind" by the Spirit of the Living God. We are then made new creatures in Christ, the old things pass away, and behold, all things become new.
Our hearts must be changed, the spirit of our minds must be renewed in Jesus Christ Ephesians 4:23 “And be renewed in "the spirit of your mind;"
You must be born again! Peace and God bless
So the question is this "is man first born with a "sin nature" or not? As I would like to take the time to comment on this issue according to scripture. I absolutely believe man is born with a nature to sin. This sin nature was introduced into the world through Adams' sin; and by the "spirit" of he who is "in" the world also dwells in the "firstborn nature" of man, which is "flesh". Jesus said that which born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
The word "flesh" in that verse denotes a beast like, earthly sin nature, that is separated from divine influence, and is therefore prone to sin and opposed to God. That is the "enmity" God spoke of in the beginning between the serpents seed and the woman's seed. God also said in Genesis 6:3 that His Spirit shall not always "strive" with man, for that he also is "flesh". Again, this shows the "enmity" between man's "first nature" which is "flesh" and God's Holy Spirit.
We are told in Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
This is what I believe Paul was also showing here in the "law of sin and death" in Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from "the law of sin and death". Paul is not talking about God's holy law here, but a "natural law" that we are all firstborn "under." Like the law of gravity, we are all first born under "this law of sin".
Paul also said in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were "made sinners", so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”
And we are not made righteous until we are "born again" from above by God's Holy Spirit of promise, and are then "made free" from this first "sin nature".
There are 2 seeds, one corruptible the other incorruptible (1 Peter 1:23) just as there are "2 natures". The first is "earthy" and of the "flesh" and is also "carnally minded" which is "of" the "spirit" of this world, and is found "in" the first Adam after iniquity was found "in" man (Adam). The second seed is of the "Holy Spirit", and is of God, sent forth in "the seed" of Promise; even in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ from heaven. We are told in 1 Corinthians 15:46 that which is "first is natural", and afterward (after being born again of the Spirit) that which is "spiritual." So we are not first born "holy", we are firstborn "sinners".
Here is an example of the first "nature" in Ephesians 2:3 “Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the "lusts of our flesh", fulfilling the "desires of the flesh" and of "the mind"; and were "by nature" the children of wrath, even as others.”
So we are first "natural born sinners".
Now some believe there is an age of accountability for children, but I believe the scriptures also prove this idea false. In Psalm 51:5 “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.” And also here in Psalm 58:3 “The wicked are "estranged from the womb": they go astray as soon as they
be born, speaking lies.” Also the Lord said in Genesis 8:21… for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; ….”
So that is some sound scriptural proof to confirm this point. But think about this; if man did not first have a "sin nature" from first being born of the "flesh" and also "carnally minded"; then why would man have to be “born again” and made a “new man” in Christ by way of the Holy Spirit?
The old man of sin must die, we must put to death the deeds of the flesh, and the body of sin must also be destroyed in us. And when this happens by the power of God in Jesus Christ, we then are also raised up a "new man" in Him and given a "new nature" and "new mind" by the Spirit of the Living God. We are then made new creatures in Christ, the old things pass away, and behold, all things become new.
Our hearts must be changed, the spirit of our minds must be renewed in Jesus Christ Ephesians 4:23 “And be renewed in "the spirit of your mind;"
You must be born again! Peace and God bless
