Are Trump and the GOP Anti-Christ?

[Christ4Ever]

ALL ANTI CHRIST

2 John
Chapter 1
Whosoever transgresseth,
and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath both the Father and the Son.

Do you believe this scripture from your bible,
applies to all anti Christ.

A. Yes I believe this scripture applies to all anti Christ.
B. No, I do not believe this scripture applies to all anti Christ.

C. If you look in the mirror would you also be a transgressor?
D. All the above.

There is a problem in your argument. It has never been just one scripture, and you fall, or another you are raised up. Since you are referencing my post, would you agree that just about every politician, and for all that matter every president/politician could easily fall into A, or even D?

What I have been doing is not ignoring President Trump and his deficiencies of character, morality, policies, but to balance it I am showing also those things that he has also done that are good.

Again, I'm not blind to his deficiencies, but all too often those who hate him, are blind to any good that he has done.

Romans 13:1; 1 Timothy 2:1-2; Proverbs 21:1

In truth we all can use prayer!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/

 

[Rad]

Dear Brother Steve,
Even though we should strive to do good, all our efforts fall short and are like filthy rags compared to God’s holiness. They cannot atone for our sin. My unworthiness cannot make up for my sin — Jesus paid it all! Salvation is freely given by God’s grace, and even the faith to receive it is His gift. On the Day of Judgment, there will be only two outcomes: complete surrender to Jesus as Lord, or eternal separation from Him.

That is why I weep with joy at Communion. Alleluia!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/

But as "The Sheep and the Goats" illustrates Brother Nick, which i believe is the only time Christ himself depicts the "Day of Judgement", our Salvation or otherwise is determinent on how we react to those in need, the hungry, the naked, the thirsty, the Stranger, the sick and the imprisoned, Christ also says that to whom much is given, much will be expected and tells of the near possibility of a rich man/woman entering the Kingdom of Heaven. I am not saying that our works can in any way atone for our sin, for we are ALL dependent on gods Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness, but that the showing of Love and compassion to those is need, of fighting for justice for the suffering and oppressed and of being humble enough to recognise our wretched sinfulness are all factors , together with our faith, in determining our salvation or condemnation.

With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve

 

[Rad]

Satan still faces the Holy Spirit as the restrainer so satan absolutely isn't there yet. When the Holy Spirit is removed, absolutely everything will be under satan's control, big government, big church, big business.

But Satan is in control of ALL earthly Kingdoms as his words testify in Christs temptation in Lukes Gospel

Jesus spent most of his life working in the small family business. God did not do this by accident. I know that widows and the poor got very special Christ like treatment. Paul earned his way by tent making even though he teaches that those serving the church deserve to be supported. No handout was provided by God who values work.

I think Christs early life as a carpenter just goes to illustrate the humble origins of the Son of God who didnt come from powerful Human Institutions and further re-enforces his words that His Kingdom is not of this World. You seem very down on "handouts", do you ever see them as "Hand ups" for someone desperate and in need who needs material help. I have been in need of "handouts" at times in my life and they were neither soul destroying or made me feel worthless but were indispensable in getting through hard times when money was in short supply.

God called Paul out of big church. God/Jesus never reformed big church.
God called Matthew out of big government (tax collecting) to become his sheep. He never reformed big government (big church erroneously expected the Messiah to reform big government).

The ruling institutions of the time, as now ,are indeed un-reformable as they are controlled by the Devil, Christ came to show us the way of Love and compassion and transform our own lives, and through them wider society, but the powers of Governing, be they State or Church were too far gone to be changed. thats how i read it anyway.

Big church and big government colluded to kill Jesus which he predicted and allowed.

Big church and big government (nowadays also big business) is the broad path.
Jesus is the narrow path (little church?).
God grants power to big government (nowadays indistinguishable from big business). He also predicted and is allowing where that takes the world.

I dont see the distinction between Big and small, unless its the power they wield, we are ALL Evil, all transgress Gods laws and ALL fail to build our lives on the solid rock of Christs truth, the only difference is those that profess to follow Christ, however wretched our lives, at least try to follow his commandments.

When a Christian neighbor shows love and behaves as Jesus has instructed, the recipient of that loving assistance is uplifted and may even lead to a person being saved.

When a satan infiltrated big government behaves as Karl Marx has instructed, the recipient of those big government handouts feels worthless and is destroyed. The difference is love vs no love (Jesus vs anti-Jesus).

If you and your family lived in Gaza, or Sudan, or Ethiopia where famine and war stalk the land, then you tell me that unless you are being given help by a Christian then that help is "worthless and destroying". In fact the opposite is true, for if no Aid was given out then that would lead to the destruction of tens of thousands of lives. Do not denigrate help for those in need, even if given by a non believer, for saving lives and preventing suffering is never worthless or Soul destroying.

I'm not willing to talk about governing. Big church once erroneously expected the Messiah to reform big government and I'm not repeating that mistake.

Well you raised the issue of North Korea/South Korea. China/Taiwan, East/West Germany, but i would just reiterate that as Christians we can be neither left or right, liberal or Conservative, but "Christ Centered" only, for anything more is a betrayal of our lord and Saviour who should reign supreme in our lives and be worthy of ALL our Love and Devotion.

 

[Christ4Ever]

But as "The Sheep and the Goats" illustrates Brother Nick, which i believe is the only time Christ himself depicts the "Day of Judgement", our Salvation or otherwise is determinent on how we react to those in need, the hungry, the naked, the thirsty, the Stranger, the sick and the imprisoned, Christ also says that to whom much is given, much will be expected and tells of the near possibility of a rich man/woman entering the Kingdom of Heaven. I am not saying that our works can in any way atone for our sin, for we are ALL dependent on gods Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness, but that the showing of Love and compassion to those is need, of fighting for justice for the suffering and oppressed and of being humble enough to recognise our wretched sinfulness are all factors , together with our faith, in determining our salvation or condemnation.

With the love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve

If you believe that it's not only by Grace, but rather by a mixture of works and Grace, then you will fall short Brother.

I recognize that no matter what I do to help others, I cannot guarantee their salvation—that is God’s purview alone. My concern is not to control outcomes, but to do what is right and just according to the Word of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit. That is why I have not been wholly against your actions themselves, but rather the process by which they are carried out.

Breaking one law in order to fulfill another—by elevating one command above another that God Himself has established—cannot be justified. Scripture is clear on this. When we set aside plainly revealed principles in favor of human reasoning, even for a good cause, we step away from obedience. There are laws in place to welcome those in genuine need, more generously than in many other nations. Yet when those boundaries are treated as insufficient, and perfection is pursued even at the expense of God’s established order or apart from Christ, it raises serious concerns.

Here is something worth considering: Scripture itself portrays divine order through boundaries. Heaven, in its perfection, is depicted with walls, gates, and clear standards for entry—only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life may enter. By contrast, the way to destruction is broad and open to all who reject God’s way. This reminds us that true compassion and justice are not opposed to order; they can and should operate within the frameworks God has given.

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Steve.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/

 

[EyPtD]

C. If you look in the mirror would you also be a transgressor?
D. All the above.

There is a problem in your argument. It has never been just one scripture, and you fall, or another you are raised up. Since you are referencing my post, would you agree that just about every politician, and for all that matter every president/politician could easily fall into A, or even D?

What I have been doing is not ignoring President Trump and his deficiencies of character, morality, policies, but to balance it I am showing also those things that he has also done that are good.

Again, I'm not blind to his deficiencies, but all too often those who hate him, are blind to any good that he has done.

Romans 13:1; 1 Timothy 2:1-2; Proverbs 21:1

In truth we all can use prayer!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/

Our question,
was not directed to you,
about anyone but you.
President trump is a sinner,
therefore he is a servant to sin.

You are also a servant to sin.
Therefore you transgress,
the doctrine of Christ.

Therefore God and Jesus is not with you.
As written in your own bible that you
adhere to as the word of God.

2 John
Chapter 1
Whosoever transgresseth,
and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath both the Father and the Son.

If you disagree,
with any part of this that was stated to you,
by all means point it out to us,
and prove it to us,
by what is written,
in your own bible.