What Adam and Eve retained is what each of us has before we really met the Master. Men call it life, but God calls it death for in the end of our course, if it is all that we have we will not be with Him thereafter. Consider this verse:So I was talking to by Father about this, a retired( still active) minister from the church and he shared a perspective that I want to share.
It goes against what I previously stated in the post. To fully understand you must listen first and make judgments after. Otherwise you will tune it all out while you are reading it and miss what I'm trying to communicate.
So my father was saying that Adam and Eve never had eternal life. They had life that came from God but not the life of God. He states that just because God is the source of that life, it does not mean that it is the life of God. For example he stated that all life comes from God ultimately but all life is not the life of God(Eternal life). His example was animals, their life came from God but they don't have eternal life.
Now back to Adam and Eve, it is clearly noted that they had life and that their ability to live on and on was being sustained by the tree of life. It was not that they already had eternal life but that the tree of life allowed them to continue to live. Which is why after they sin the concern was not that they were now stained for eternity because they had eternal life, but the concern was that they should not eat again from the tree which give them life continuously (Daily Bread) to sustain them one day at a time. If they already had eternal life to begin with God would had to have taken it away from them for them to lose it, but since they didn't have eternal life, but had the opportunity to be renewed eternally each day by the tree of life, the solution was just to cut their access to the tree of life.
Genesis 3:22: "Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”
In terms of being in the presence of God or walking with God. My father stated that Adam and Eve were in the presence of God and God's glory reflected on them because they were close to Him in terms of relationship, but they did not have the life of God(eternal life) which is the Holy Spirit living in them. It is only because of the death of Jesus that we now have the ability to have God in us. Not just with us as Adam did, but surely inside of us. His eternal life.
Let me know your thoughts.
"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9
This verse is not speaking of a person being born again, but of a person being born to a natural women of flesh. This little bit of light is I believe what makes it possible to for anyone to come to the Lord and partake of the real Life that Jesus is. Many people do not. They say they are alive, but without partaking of Jesus, there is no real life. There is only death. Some people suppress their little candle of light until it is too late:
"For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out." Prov 24:20
And here speaking of Babylon, we see that the light is to be put off for those who remain in confusion [Babylon]
"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. " Rev 18:23
Light is necessary to see, both in the natural and in the spiritual. To see the things of God requires more than we have when we are born of woman.
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see." Rev 3:18
To read the Book [the Bible] with any understanding requires that our eyes be anointed, so we are all given that small light at our natural birth [John 1:9], but we must move beyond that to really see as Jesus indicates here when he quotes the prophet Isaiah:
Jesus quotes another prophet here:
"He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." John 12:40
But Jesus did not leave everyone blind and He did not and does not limit us to only one touch:
Mar 8:21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?
Mar 8:22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
Mar 8:23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
Mar 8:25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.