I have never met anyone who is OSAS that thought they could live in any fashion and be saved. The belief is that one who is saved has no desire to live that way. It is said that one who does go back to living in sin willfully was never saved in the first place.
The problem with those who believe OSAS is that they always state that one cannot live without sin in their lives and that is heresy punishable by eternal death. So when I work to persuade someone away from this heresy instead of 'agreeing to disagree', it is because I don't want them to perish.
You can stop sinning and you had better for your eternal destiny is in question if you don't. Sin or disobedience is unbelief which is the opposite of faith. You are saved by grace through faith not sinful disobedience.
What does it mean to stop sinning?
It means to become a follower of Jesus Christ by picking up your cross and denying yourself daily. It is only if you do this that you are considered worthy of Jesus.
How does denying myself keep me from sinning?
2 Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Denial of self is part of the divine nature of those who are born again. They do not fall into the various lusts of sin.
What evidence is in the bible that says I can go without sin?
God told Cain that he could rule over sin even though Cain didn't have the Holy Spirit.
If thou doest well , shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well , sin lieth at the door . And unto thee [shall be] his desire , and thou shalt rule over him.
Cain gave in and sinned and now it is known as 'the way of Cain'.
When Jesus spoke to people about their sin he never gave room for additional sin.
Jhn 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Jhn 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
In case you wonder what sin no more means here. It is the same as what Jesus said to the fig tree he cursed about never bearing fruit again.
OSAS is about completely polluting the word of God by twisting it to fit the doctrine.
In several places in the NT it states that you must forgive everyone their trespasses or the Father in heaven will not forgive yours. This is explained away by 'adding' to the word of God and saying that it only applies to relational forgiveness and not judicial. Lies.
The bible teaches that you must obey Jesus to receive eternal life. How can one reconcile that with OSAS?
Jesus commanded that we love one another as he loved us.
Jesus commanded that we not divorce our wives.
Jesus commanded to give to them that ask of thee.
Jesus commanded to go into all the world and make disciples of all nations.
Jesus commanded to baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
Jesus commanded to teach them all things whatsoever he had commanded.
Jesus commanded we make no oaths.
Jesus commanded that we do not resist evil but turn the other cheek.
Jesus commanded that we love our enemies.
Jesus commanded that we be perfect like the Father.
Jesus commanded that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.
Jesus was always commanding people with authority.
And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: 29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Do we have to obey Jesus to have eternal life?
And what about this whole non sinning business? I have heard it said that since Jesus was God he is the only one who is capable of living a life completely free from sin. It is said that Jesus is 100% man and 100% God. This too is heresy punishable by eternal death. Jesus was just a man like you and me as pertaining to having a fleshly body. He received the Holy Spirit and Power around 30 years old when he was baptized and began his ministry. You and I are just as capable of not sinning as Jesus was while he walked the earth.
The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. lk 6:40
It says you can be just like Jesus here and now.
If we sin everyday, then why are we supposed to throw sinners out of the church 1 Cor 5? Why are we supposed to rebuke them that sin publicly? 1 Ti 5:20. Why are we supposed to break fellowship with them that sin Rom 16:17?
Now, I don't want anyone to confuse what I am saying here to mean that it is impossible to sin. There is a big difference between being able not to sin and being unable to sin.
Take Peter for example and his sin of hypocrisy. He sinned out of fear of the circumcision. Paul seeing his error rebuked his sin openly just as we are supposed to do. In his rebuke he states:
But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid Gal 2
He is plainly saying we are not to be found sinners.
Also God has said that we have no excuse if we sin.
1Cr 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].
You have everything you need to not sin...no excuses.
When it comes to defending the doctrine of "I'm a sinner who cannot stop sinning thank God for OSAS", 1 John is quoted without fail.
To this I say. You error not knowing the scriptures. Keep verses within their context unless they truly are universal truths that apply in any situation. Lets keep them in context.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
He is saying that the following verses are part of the message that was heard that they also declare. The Gospel message. God is light - no darkness period.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
If we claim to have believed the Gospel but continue in a sinful lifestyle we are liars.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
If we stop sinning it causes us to have fellowship with everyone who doesn't sin which is condition that must be met to receive the cleansing power of the blood of Christ.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we claim that sin does not dwell in our mortal bodies were liars.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The next logical step is to address confessing sin since one has admitted having sin in the body. The promise from this verse is to cleanse from unrighteousness which is conditional upon confession and confession means that you say the same thing about the sin and therefore stop doing it.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
This actually is interpreted right but would be clearer from the Greek to say if we say that we have never sinned. This doesn't imply in any way that one cannot go without sin in there lives.
So there we have it within the context. Stop using verse 9 to say that Jesus will forgive whatever you do whenever you do it because you are OSAS. Because that is a lie. verse 9 pertains to receiving the gospel. Same with 10. Stop telling people you cannot help but sin because that is what sinners do. If you still have that problem you need to talk to Peter. "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?". "Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;"
Last but not least, we need to address the advocate clause.
The first part is important, don't miss it.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
John expects them not to sin.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
This is absolutely true. If you sin you have an advocate with the Father in heaven. Once again a few things need to be considered here. Who is John writing to? There is no direct address to say who but there are things within the text that show that he is addressing different 'types' of people as he writes. We have 'little children', 'young men' and 'fathers'. Each would lend to the understanding of maturity level in Christ. When addressing little children he speaks of sin but not the other two. They have overcome the wicked one etc. This would be a picture of Eph 4 where pastors and teachers are given for the perfecting of the saints till all come in the unity of the faith unto a perfect man, unto the fullness of the stature in Christ Jesus. The fathers pictured here would be like Paul who claims to have begotten Corinth with the gospel.
For you who think we continue to sin regularly because we are sinners, I suggest you think this again. We need to stop being children and become men.
I could go on finding more and more support for the claim that you have absolutely no excuse whatsoever if you sin, but if you won't believe what has already been said, you won't believe even if Jesus came to tell you himself. Instead you would probably crucify him.
Notwithstanding they would not hear, but hardened their necks, like to the neck of their fathers, that did not believe in the LORD their God.
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
