Adulterous Marriage

[Bendito]

All of these posts are good examples of why we are not to judge one another. Many years ago, a young man married a beautiful woman who had been married before to a man who was a deacon in his church, a teacher, a preacher in his church. He divorced her….Then along comes this young man who fell in love with her. He actually pressured her into marrying him, and she did need somebody to take care of her because she had three children to raise. So…They married, then moved halfway across the country to another state. Within a week of arriving in their new state they met a prophetess whom the woman knew previously. The woman looked at the woman and said “The Lord has taken the kingdom away from Saul and has given it to one more worthy.” Then she set out to teach the Word to the new couple. A few people here and there criticized them for living in sin. Then a few years down the line they moved to a different country. In the churches in their new home, let’s see….One church split using the woman’s ‘adultery’ as an excuse. Another church sidelined the woman because she was an adulteress. Another church kicked the couple out. The point is….Not one single church asked for the facts of the situation, so not one church had any basis for judging her. Even if they had had the facts, they would still not understand the heart of the matter. Only God knows the heart, of the person, of the matter.
Since we do not see into the heart, nor even understand that there even is a heart, in many cases, we cannot judge rightly. For that reason we sin against the Word, we sin against the person every time we judge some other person. EVERY time! Judge not lest ye be judged!
So it came to a point where this woman, a tender sensitive woman who was/is determined to live in the Word, to live the way the Father wants her to live, decided it would be better to leave her dearly loved husband and live alone than to live in sin…which terrified her husband. So together they went to the pastor of the church they attended. The pastor had also invited the wisest of the elders to sit in…. Then the woman laid it out, and asked for one single instance in the bible where this situation had occurred and God blessed it. No lie! The pastor and the elder sat mute for over an hour. I do not know whether they were trying to think of an instance or whether they were simply waiting it out till the couple left…Then the Lord stepped in…He showed the husband, not the pastor, not the elder, an instance of murder, and adultery, that He had forgiven and blessed to the point that the Messiah Himself came through their bloodline! A murder/ adulterer married to an adulteress. AND GOD BLESSED THEM!!
And God blessed the couple as well.
Who are you to judge oh man?

 

[Ivar]

All of these posts are good examples of why we are not to judge one another. Many years ago, a young man married a beautiful woman who had been married before to a man who was a deacon in his church, a teacher, a preacher in his church. He divorced her….Then along comes this young man who fell in love with her. He actually pressured her into marrying him, and she did need somebody to take care of her because she had three children to raise. So…They married, then moved halfway across the country to another state. Within a week of arriving in their new state they met a prophetess whom the woman knew previously. The woman looked at the woman and said “The Lord has taken the kingdom away from Saul and has given it to one more worthy.” Then she set out to teach the Word to the new couple. A few people here and there criticized them for living in sin. Then a few years down the line they moved to a different country. In the churches in their new home, let’s see….One church split using the woman’s ‘adultery’ as an excuse. Another church sidelined the woman because she was an adulteress. Another church kicked the couple out. The point is….Not one single church asked for the facts of the situation, so not one church had any basis for judging her. Even if they had had the facts, they would still not understand the heart of the matter. Only God knows the heart, of the person, of the matter.
Since we do not see into the heart, nor even understand that there even is a heart, in many cases, we cannot judge rightly. For that reason we sin against the Word, we sin against the person every time we judge some other person. EVERY time! Judge not lest ye be judged!
So it came to a point where this woman, a tender sensitive woman who was/is determined to live in the Word, to live the way the Father wants her to live, decided it would be better to leave her dearly loved husband and live alone than to live in sin…which terrified her husband. So together they went to the pastor of the church they attended. The pastor had also invited the wisest of the elders to sit in…. Then the woman laid it out, and asked for one single instance in the bible where this situation had occurred and God blessed it. No lie! The pastor and the elder sat mute for over an hour. I do not know whether they were trying to think of an instance or whether they were simply waiting it out till the couple left…Then the Lord stepped in…He showed the husband, not the pastor, not the elder, an instance of murder, and adultery, that He had forgiven and blessed to the point that the Messiah Himself came through their bloodline! A murder/ adulterer married to an adulteress. AND GOD BLESSED THEM!!
And God blessed the couple as well.
Who are you to judge oh man?

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

"people in general"

 

[regibassman57]

@Fragrant Grace,
God is merciful and is not willing that any person holds on to the past guilt of their mistakes. The relationship a person has with their Lord is personal and God gives comfort for all in His Church under this New Covenant.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

If a person’s heart is honestly true toward God and they marry after being divorced, God will bless the marriage if the person has repented from their heart. God knows the hearts of all men. If a person marrying is playing games, God knows, and He will not bless that person or persons in that relationship. I personally believe God will reveal to an honest person if they are possibly marrying a demon.

 

[KingJ]

All of these posts are good examples of why we are not to judge one another. Many years ago, a young man married a beautiful woman who had been married before to a man who was a deacon in his church, a teacher, a preacher in his church. He divorced her….Then along comes this young man who fell in love with her. He actually pressured her into marrying him, and she did need somebody to take care of her because she had three children to raise. So…They married, then moved halfway across the country to another state. Within a week of arriving in their new state they met a prophetess whom the woman knew previously. The woman looked at the woman and said “The Lord has taken the kingdom away from Saul and has given it to one more worthy.” Then she set out to teach the Word to the new couple. A few people here and there criticized them for living in sin. Then a few years down the line they moved to a different country. In the churches in their new home, let’s see….One church split using the woman’s ‘adultery’ as an excuse. Another church sidelined the woman because she was an adulteress. Another church kicked the couple out. The point is….Not one single church asked for the facts of the situation, so not one church had any basis for judging her. Even if they had had the facts, they would still not understand the heart of the matter. Only God knows the heart, of the person, of the matter.
Since we do not see into the heart, nor even understand that there even is a heart, in many cases, we cannot judge rightly. For that reason we sin against the Word, we sin against the person every time we judge some other person. EVERY time! Judge not lest ye be judged!
So it came to a point where this woman, a tender sensitive woman who was/is determined to live in the Word, to live the way the Father wants her to live, decided it would be better to leave her dearly loved husband and live alone than to live in sin…which terrified her husband. So together they went to the pastor of the church they attended. The pastor had also invited the wisest of the elders to sit in…. Then the woman laid it out, and asked for one single instance in the bible where this situation had occurred and God blessed it. No lie! The pastor and the elder sat mute for over an hour. I do not know whether they were trying to think of an instance or whether they were simply waiting it out till the couple left…Then the Lord stepped in…He showed the husband, not the pastor, not the elder, an instance of murder, and adultery, that He had forgiven and blessed to the point that the Messiah Himself came through their bloodline! A murder/ adulterer married to an adulteress. AND GOD BLESSED THEM!!
And God blessed the couple as well.
Who are you to judge oh man?

Bendito you are making a good point but I truly dislike the lines ''do not judge''. We are to judge all things 1 Cor 2:15.

'Do not judge' needs to be understood in full context. Take the prostitute that was going to be stoned as an example. Jesus stopped her being stoned by saying 'whoever is without sin, cast the first stone'. All left as they all had sin. Jesus said however ''Go and sin no more''. We always exclude that line. Leave the recipient to assume she was able continue as she was.

Reading your story, I just see evidence of poor judgment. She was divorced. She never initiated the divorce. I am sure she also tried to reconcile. She was abandoned. The guilt of adultery is on her first husband that left her. Not the second. Scripture is crystal clear on that. Matt 5:32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery.

 

[KingJ]

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

If a person’s heart is honestly true toward God and they marry after being divorced, God will bless the marriage if the person has repented from their heart. God knows the hearts of all men. If a person marrying is playing games, God knows, and He will not bless that person or persons in that relationship. I personally believe God will reveal to an honest person if they are possibly marrying a demon.

If a person's heart is honestly true, they will first try fix their past mistakes. That is the sign of a true heart.

 

[regibassman57]

@King j,
Who is to say the person didn't try to? I know many who has tried too, that's why I presented the point.

 

[Bendito]

Bendito you are making a good point but I truly dislike the lines ''do not judge''. We are to judge all things 1 Cor 2:15.

'Do not judge' needs to be understood in full context. Take the prostitute that was going to be stoned as an example. Jesus stopped her being stoned by saying 'whoever is without sin, cast the first stone'. All left as they all had sin. Jesus said however ''Go and sin no more''. We always exclude that line. Leave the recipient to assume she was able continue as she was.

Reading your story, I just see evidence of poor judgment. She was divorced. She never initiated the divorce. I am sure she also tried to reconcile. She was abandoned. The guilt of adultery is on her first husband that left her. Not the second. Scripture is crystal clear on that. Matt 5:32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery.

I understand what you are saying...Why don't you do a study on judging? How are we supposed to judge? Who? When? What is judge? LOL I could tell you but....you'll see better if you mine your own gold.

 

[KingJ]

@King j,
Who is to say the person didn't try to? I know many who has tried too, that's why I presented the point.

I don't like the 'blur'. You said ''If a person’s heart is honestly true toward God and they marry after being divorced, God will bless the marriage if the person has repented from their heart'' Not entirely true.

The bible says man's heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure in Jer 17:9. Jesus says in Matt 7:16 that you know someone by their fruits. We all want to live in our sin and feel good. We will lie to ourselves. We will think we fool God. Fact is if we do not show evidence of wanting to respect scripture on marriage, our heart is ''FAR'' from God's heart. God can see it all He wants, doesn't mean He likes it or does anything about our trivial repentance.

We easily deceive ourselves.

 

[KingJ]

I understand what you are saying...Why don't you do a study on judging? How are we supposed to judge? Who? When? What is judge? LOL I could tell you but....you'll see better if you mine your own gold.

We don't need a study to understand judging. We just need to grasp who we are. We have working brains that can discern and grasp a lot. We need to ''use them''. It is like saying I must not walk. Our working brains are the reason we are all accountable for sin in the first place.

As Christians we have the mind of Christ 1 Cor 2:16. So even more so can we discern and judge.

When Jesus rescued the harlot, it was from condemnation / punishment. The people had judged her and decided to stone her. Jesus did not say they were in error to acknowledge her sins and apply a fitting punishment under the old covenant. He just said, 'whoever is without sin cast the first stone'. He added more light to their judgement.

 

[regibassman57]

@King J,
You said:
The bible says man's heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure in Jer 17:9.

That scripture is true under the Old Covenant. A born again believer's heart is not deceitful or defiled; but a believer's mind must be renewed. God has given all believers a new heart and a new spirit.

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

You quoted Matthew 7:16. As we continue to read verse 18 it teaches us a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. Evil fruit is sin. It also teaches a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Good fruit is rigtheousness (Rom. 6:20).

King J, I do not think you have the mind of Christ if you are in Christ and say you sin.

 

[KingJ]

King J, I do not think you have the mind of Christ if you are in Christ and say you sin.

I don't believe God is a fool. If our repentance / Christianity has no works close behind, our hearts are far from God. We can believe in our heart all we want. I can ''say'' I am a Christian all day long. Facts are facts.

If I raped a girl. I would seek her out and smother her with acts of repentance and sorrow. I would report myself to the authorities and accept my sentence. I would not simply 'believe in my heart that I am truly repentant'.

Now raping someone in the OT was considered a mortal sin, deserving of being stoned to death. Likewise, adultery.

 

[regibassman57]

@King J,

I personally understand repentance, I present knowledge through this understanding. I turn away from my past unfruitful works and God blesses me and I know He blesses others who have done the same. You should not assume in the manner you do; you put yourself in the position of a judge. I’m sure you don’t know the hearts of men that way.

1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

God being a fool should not even have been said. We believe in our hearts that God has raised Jesus from the dead. Scripture teaches us, if Jesus has not risen from the dead, you are still in your sins (1Cor. 15:17). You keep telling me you are still in your sins. This is why I said you do not have the mind of Christ. If you had the mind of Christ, you would not say or believe that God is imputing sin unto you (2Cor. 5:19; Rom. 4:8).

 

[Bendito]

We don't need a study to understand judging. We just need to grasp who we are. We have working brains that can discern and grasp a lot. We need to ''use them''. It is like saying I must not walk. Our working brains are the reason we are all accountable for sin in the first place.

As Christians we have the mind of Christ 1 Cor 2:16. So even more so can we discern and judge.

When Jesus rescued the harlot, it was from condemnation / punishment. The people had judged her and decided to stone her. Jesus did not say they were in error to acknowledge her sins and apply a fitting punishment under the old covenant. He just said, 'whoever is without sin cast the first stone'. He added more light to their judgement.

I suggested it because we are to judge...but also because we are not to judge. We are to judge ourselves, judge the sin in our lives, and to judge between one and another to settle arguments or conflicts. We are not to judge another person as being bad, sinful, or the like...We judge the sin, not the person. If a person refuses to drop a sinful life style, for example, adultery. We remove them from the assembly but we do not judge/condemn the person.
So we have different kinds of judgment here, and we need to know what and why

 

[Bendito]

[QUOTE="KingJ, postood. We will lie to ourselves. We will think we fool God. Fact is if we do not show evidence of wanting to respect scripture on marriage, our heart is ''FAR'' from God's heart. God can see it all He wants, doesn't mean He likes it or does anything about our trivial repentance.

We easily deceive ourselves.[/QUOTE]
I know you have experiences times when you've regretted some action on your part. Was that your heart being deceptive? Probably not....When your heart is being deceptive is when you are being tempted and you try to justify doing the thing you are tempted to do. Regret, or repentance are not deception...When you regret something, when you repent of something you go to Father for forgiveness and cleansing. Not deception at all. Am I right? Did I understand what you said properly?

 

[Fragrant Grace]

[QUOTE="KingJ, post: 315364, member: 30204" We all want to live in our sin and feel good. We will lie to ourselves. We will think we fool God. Fact is if we do not show evidence of wanting to respect scripture on marriage, our heart is ''FAR'' from God's heart. God can see it all He wants, doesn't mean He likes it or does anything about our trivial repentance.

We easily deceive ourselves.[/QUOTE]


Greetings @KingJ

I think what you have said is correct...candy coating gross sin to make it seem and feel good, ignoring the warning signs and pretending it is all good.....is often what happens in the case of adultery. The other person "the ex" becomes the focus of all the blame.....making the adulterous relationship seem perfect and right.

Without going into detail about the situation, I have trodden that path.
The Lord in His abundant goodness has blessed and forgiven, however, not without slowly peeling back the layers and revealing the hurt and pain caused. Thus opening the way to true repentance.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Cast me not away from Thy presence; and take not Thy holy spirit from me.
Restore unto me the joy of Thy salvation; and uphold me with Thy free spirit.
Psalm 51:10-12