Greetings DougE,

What is/was the context of the verse you have isolated?


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Br. Bear said:

Greetings DougE,

What is/was the context of the verse you have isolated?


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Please elaborate
What do you mean?

DougE said:

Please elaborate
What do you mean?

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DougE is saying that in the KJV, Jesus says He isn't going YET to the festival. The NIV states Jesus says He isn't going, then goes.. The NIV says Jesus lied.

My 1984 NIV put YET in both places though and it is correct.

Br. Bear said:

Greetings DougE,

What is/was the context of the verse you have isolated?


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[John 7:2 KJV] "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand."

I dont know what you mean by asking about context
[John 7:2 KJV] "Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand." ******* it was simply about attending the feast

Greetings,

After John 7:2 and before John 7:8, there is dialogue from who, to who, about what?

That gives some clearer context.


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PS. The earliest manuscripts did not have 'yet'.
Take a study and discover what changed things.

Br. Bear said:

Greetings,

After John 7:2 and before John 7:8, there is dialogue from who, to who, about what?

That gives some clearer context.


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PS. The earliest manuscripts did not have 'yet'.
Take a study and discover what changed things.

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That further dialogue has no bearing on the fact that not going up yet was omitted

Greetings,

That did not answer my question(s)

Perhaps study it a bit. You'll find 'yet' was included to specifically make the context of those verses less open for attack from critics.

If we don't include the context, we err.


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Br. Bear said:

Greetings,

That did not answer my question(s)

Perhaps study it a bit. You'll find 'yet' was included to specifically make the context of those verses less open for attack from critics.

If we don't include the context, we err.


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You dont need context to see a word or verse isnt there

Br. Bear said:

Perhaps study it a bit. You'll find 'yet' was included to specifically make the context of those verses less open for attack from critics.

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Your opinion
There are no originals to make the assertion "yet" wasnt found in them

Greetings,

DougE said:

Your opinion

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No.

DougE said:

There are no originals to make the assertion "yet" wasnt found in them

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That might be correct. However, I referred to manuscripts (which were in use).

As this is a Bible Study, it is good to work together.
My original points about the context are important to the 'yet' subject you raised and well worth expanding upon.

Who said what to who about what?


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Br. Bear said:

Greetings,




No.

That might be correct. However, I referred to manuscripts (which were in use).

As this is a Bible Study, it is good to work together.
My original points about the context are important to the 'yet' subject you raised and well worth expanding upon.

Who said what to who about what?


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I have plenty of posts in which we can have a Bible study discussion
My point in posting these differences is just to make people aware of them as they are easily overlooked and to expound on how doctrine is affected by the changes. I am not interested in endless discussion in regard to manuscripts

John 7:8 You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come."
John 7:9 After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.
John 7:10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

Jesus never said he was not going to the festival; he just said he was not going up at that time. Jesus stayed in Galilee for four days, then we went up.

John 7:14 Not until halfway through the festival did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.

Curtis said:

John 7:8 You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come."
John 7:9 After he had said this, he stayed in Galilee.
John 7:10 However, after his brothers had left for the festival, he went also, not publicly, but in secret.

Jesus never said he was not going to the festival; he just said he was not going up at that time. Jesus stayed in Galilee for four days, then we went up.

John 7:14 Not until halfway through the festival did Jesus go up to the temple courts and begin to teach.

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He didnt say "at that time"

Greetings,


1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill Him.

2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.

3 His brethren therefore said unto Him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.

4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.

5 For neither did His brethren believe in Him.


6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
John 7:1-6

Note verse 3 & 4
It appears that they wanted Jesus to go to the feast so everyone could see Who He was.

Note in v6 Jesus said His time is not yet come. He was not going to follow their prompt/suggestion. Not now.
His time was a later feast.

Hence why He went up quietly/discretely mid festival.

Note also v1 & v11

11 Then the Jews sought Him at the feast, and said, Where is He?

The whole passage has a lot to say. It also explains to those who have their eyes opened by the Lord what He meant when He said He wasn't going up. Perhaps understand 'going' in the manner His brothers asked of Him is what is written. He was not going up on display.

So was it because it wasn't time to make Himself known or wasn't time to get killed.... or both?


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Br. Bear said:

Note in v6 Jesus said His time is not yet come. He was not going to follow their prompt/suggestion. Not now.
His time was a later feast.

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[John 7:8 KJV] "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come." ******** The KJV makes it clear Jesus was not going YET unto THIS feast and not a later feast. You could get this idea if you remove yet as it makes it say "I go not unto this feast"