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Jehovah's Witnesses

Hi guys ;)

I have decided to move this thread to the Lounge, it was previously in the Counselling section, I don't think it fits there.

God bless
Faithful Son
 
Word of Life,
I wasn't refering to the 'Trinity' I know it is not in scripture, that is what man has said is there, I don't see were I put in the Trinity in my post.

I agree with what you have said on J.W. we are not to avoid them, but offer a helping hand, although any I know don't want one, they would have you believe them instead and not biblical truth, their truth they say from the Watchtower, again man-made.

We know we cannot believe in any thing other than what the Lord Jesus did on the cross and cried 'it is finished' a completed finished work.

I think you have really picked me up so wrongly, I did neither say if you don't believe in the Trinity you are the anit-Christ, not my words, but we do also get our answers from the word of God, we need to search them continually as welll as in prayer to our maker.

The Lord never meant for divisions here, denominations are a division, also the man made religions, we are His bride, 'the church' a body of His people not the building, not a denomination or a cult.

I am sorry, as it wasn't meant to be directed at you personally, even though it seemed that way. I was just trying to explain something, which has been on my heart for many months. So I apologise to you.

You see I get a bit upset about this whole trinity and non trinity stuff, as it has caused so much divisions amongst brothers and sisters in Christ. I just want to see people united as one, as Jesus was one with our Father in Heaven.

But to understand where I come from, I have been in this trinity thing for a whole year or more, and with that going through my head, I just don't see what others see. And it hurts me, and I have even questioned my own faith. But I will continue asking God for direction in this, so that He can reveal the truth to me.

I do search my scripture, and I do go through Greek/Hebrew/English interlinear too, and the wording is different, to what's in most Bibles, which are out there on the market.

Basically, for what's out in the world today, if one doesn't believe in the trinity, I get the impression, one thinks that person is from a cult. So I was explaining the other side to it, and I didn't do a very good job at it.

So, please except my apologies Maureen. :love:
 
ak non needed, I was searching my own posts to see were I had written about he Trinity as I couldn't believe I did, with it not being in scripture I would quote it.

I wouldn't get too hung up on it though to the detriment of your own belief it's not worth that.

If it's not written then I wouldn't take too much time to study about it.
only my view of course, but to spend a whole year on something that isn't in the scripture is a long time.

It saddens me to see such a divided bride, how much more does it sadden Jesus, and instead of the Preachers 'getting together' over it, no they'd rather slag each other from the pulpit, do they think that merits the grace of God, not a chance.

So glad that's clear, I didn't say those things, and wouldn't.
Lordbless your studying may you achieve much for His glory.
 
Here's an interesting little study to read and take on board:-

Jesus = God
Jehovah's Witnesses, or more properly The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society (WBTS), deny that Jesus is God. However using their New World Translation (NWT) we can discover:
Question 1: Does the Bible contradict itself?Answer: No.

Q 2. Who is speaking in Revelation 22: 12 - 16?A. Jesus.
('Alpha and Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.')

Q3. Who is speaking in Revelation 1: 17,18?A. Jesus.
('First and the Last, and the living one; and I became dead but look I am living for ever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.')

Q4. Who is speaking in Revelation 1: 8?
A. Jehovah God!
('Alpha and Omega', Jehovah God, the Almighty.)

Q5. Who is speaking in Revelation 21: 6?
A. Jesus.
('Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. To anyone thirsting I will give from the fountain of the water of life free.') Cross-reference Jn 4:14, and 7:37,38.

Q6. The same person is speaking in the next verse, 7. So who is speaking?A. God.('I shall be his God')

Therefore Jesus = God!

Q7. Finally, cross-referencing with Q3., Who is speaking in Isaiah 44:6?
"This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, 'I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God'"

Once again Jesus = God
Not reading a text in context (Q's 5 and 6) , and not the whole of Scripture in context, (Q's 1 to 7), can lead to wrong interpretations of Scripture.

Another method of using logic in Scriptures can be used to show that Jesus is not an angel - a created being. Hebrews 1: 1 - 2: 9 compares Jesus on the one hand, and angels on the other. Therefore they cannot be the same.

Quite often the WBTS have inserted '[other]' into a text, e.g., Philippians 2: 9 and Colossians 1: 16, in order to fit their theology that Jesus was the first created being and thereafter, Jesus created all [other] things. In the original Greek text, (see their Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the New Testament (KIT), the word 'other' is not there, which then reads in Philippians 'above every name', and in Colossians 'all things'.

There are loads of other texts to help think beyond the WBTS teaching, and it's good to dig into God's Word. If nothing else, it helps you understand why you believe what you do!
 
jehovas witnesses

I have had some encounters with their doctrines on a few occasions and had detailed discussions with them. One of them even told me that the world would come to an end in a particular year. That year passed by but later some one belong to this group told me that no one would have told me such a thing. But truth is i was told exactly the same. One of my friends is also a witness to this.

I am a tolerant person and do not wish to get into controversies. But they seem reluctant to admit Jesus is the Son God/God. Just because of this I dont consider them christians.
 
The The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society (WBTS),
have made several dates for the world to end, I have all those dates, so they can't deny they did say them, although it did come from their leaders at the particular time.

It also tell us in our Bible to beware of false prophets.


2 Peter 2 V 1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
 
In a six page tract published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WBTS), entitled What Do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe? a select few of their teachings are mentioned. Among other things, the reader should be aware of the following:

(1) Their denial of the deity of Christ is based on Scripture which shows the true humanity of Christ while avoiding or distorting other Scriptures which affirm His true deity such as Jesus' statement after His resurrection that he has all 100% authority or power in Heaven and on earth (Mt. 28:18). Notice: Jesus, not the Father, has all authority in Heaven! Remember, Jesus humbled himself when he came to the earth, taking the very nature of a servant, even though his nature is God (Phil. 2:5-8).

(2) The Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) have their own Bible translation called the New World Translation (NWT), which has inconsistently translated the Greek word which shows that Jesus received worship from His disciples. In that translation, if it can be properly called such, Jesus is said to have received "obeisance" and not "worship." Among other places, please see Mt. 28:9. That same Greek word found there is properly translated at other passages as "worship" in their Greek English Interlinear called the Kingdom Interlinear Translation (1969 edition). To be exact, in Mt. 2:11; 14:33; 28:9 and 28:17 the Greek word is translated obeisance because it refers to the Lord Jesus, but when the same exact Greek word is used at Rev. 5:14; 7:11; 11:16; 19:4; 20:4 and Jn. 4:20 it is rendered worshiped because it doesn't refer to Jesus. This is not good scholarship, neither is it being consistent, as they claim in the foreword of their translation.

(3) Another striking characteristic of the NWT is their usage of "Jehovah." They have done this over 6,000 times in their Bible! But in other literature that they have published, they have gone on record as stating that Yahweh is "the more correct way" to render God's name! Their actual quote is:
While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century (The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures (KIT), 1969 ed., p. 23).

Furthermore, they admit that no one ever used the Latinized word "Jehovah" until the thirteenth century. This word is of Catholic origin:
By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation (Aid to Bible Understanding, 1971, pp. 884, 885).(26)

(4) Another unique characteristic of the JW's belief system is their strange view that only 144,000 will enter Heaven. Please know that the 12,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel (equaling 144,000) as mentioned in Rev. 7:4-8 and 14:1-3 does not state that they will be the only ones that will enter Heaven!

Let's take a look at two passages by focusing in on the words "before the throne":

Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. (Rev 14:1) And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. (Rev 14:2) And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. (Rev 14:3)

The second passage is:

After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. (Rev 7:9) And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." (Rev 7:10) All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, (Rev 7:11) saying: "Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!" (Rev 7:12) Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?" (Rev 7:13) I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev 7:14) Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. (Rev 7:15)
Please note, according to Rev. 14:1-3, the 144,000 are "before the throne." If they are in Heaven, then there are many others in Heaven as well because that same phrase "before the throne" is also found in 7:9 and refers to a great multitude that no man can count, which is a different group from the 144,000!

Further, please remember this: the JW's take part of the Rev. 14:1-3 passage literally and part of it figuratively. In other words, the number they take literally but they figuratively interpret the Israelite tribes to mean something other than Israelite tribes!

The Lord Jesus taught:
Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me. (John 12:26)
From the above passage, Jesus taught that all of his servants will be in the same place as he is! Hence, since Jesus is in Heaven, all of his servants, which certainly exceeds 144,000, will be in Heaven with him, according to Jesus himself!

(5) While JW's call themselves "Christians," the reader should be advised that not everyone who says, "Lord, Lord" will enter into the kingdom of God (Mt. 7:21). Moreover, the JW's fail the test to identify themselves as being "in the faith." In 2 Cor. 13:5, we read:
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test? (2 Cor 13:5)
Since the JW's wrongly teach that Jesus is Michael the Archangel, without any clear Scriptural backing, and since an angel cannot dwell in multitudes of Christians at the same time, then their view of Christ is not only wrong but they would fail the doctrinal test to be in the faith!

(6) So what do JW's want from you and what do they believe about salvation? Let the following quote from their own literature answer this:
Do not conclude that there are different roads, or ways, that you can follow to gain life in God's new system. There is only one. There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization—God's visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching "great tribulation." It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal. (Matthew 7:21-23; 24:21) You must be part of Jehovah's organization, doing God's will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life.—Psalm 133:1-3. (You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, 1982, p. 255.)

The JW's want you to spread their false teachings, just as they themselves do. Furthermore, their own literature clearly states you must be part of their organization to receive everlasting life, as you just read. Finally, the JW religion is based on the teachings of a Bible-defined false prophet from their first president, C. T. Russell, on through to the present time. Though they claim the light gets brighter and brighter, their own prophetic track record has consistently remained the same, that is, one false prophecy after another after another! They have made prophecies that have failed about the following years: 1914, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1931, 1941, 1975 and 1995. Though the JW's claim they "admit their mistakes," they refuse to admit their 1975 false prophecy (or "mistake" as they call it). A true prophet does not make false prophecies (Jer. 28:9)! The Lord Jesus warned that false prophets would arise and would "deceive" many people (Mt. 24:11, 24). Dear reader, don't allow yourself to be a victim of this organization, which is a ravenous wolf in sheep's clothing (Mt. 7:15) but claims of itself to be Jehovah's organization.

Those who will, in the end, enter God's kingdom have a trusting, submitting and enduring faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Furthermore, such faith in Christ produces holy living and good fruit. And all those "in the truth" today can wholeheartedly agree with the Apostle Thomas who called Jesus both his Lord and his God (Jn. 20:28).
 
Jeramiah 28 v 9
The prophet which prophesieth of peace, when the word of the prophet shall come to pass, then shall the prophet be known, that the LORD hath truly sent him.
John 20 v 28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Much said sister, great enlightment, what more can I add, case rested.
 
Not all of that article of Strypes, is a 100% truth. Of which I will be back later to highlight those errors, and with scripture references, so that everyone can see them.

One has to remember none of us perfect and none of us righteous.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.


As I was reading that article, what came to my mind was, these scriptures below, when the scribes and pharisees, were bringing a woman to Jesus, who was caught in adultery.

Joh 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


There are many false prophets, including some very top evangelist out there still today, which are in error and are still teaching false doctrines and blinding the minds of people.

If one can only just admit to there mistakes, which we can all do from time to time and just apologise, God will forgive us.

It's a hard walk out there, and we all need each other for strength and comfort.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
 
jw

That is exactly what I was referring to. I was referring to not be part of the cult itself, not referring to disassociate with them where we should still try to reach out to them of course.

dear friends in Christ:

what chad means i believe is probably this: if you're not a very strong christian and do not have a deep foundatiom of God's word do not associate yourself with them because you might end up agreeing with them, for they are very convincing in laying down what they believed to be true. if you do not know the word well you will easily be swayed by their doctrine and their craftiness. yes its true, hate sins and love the sinners but please be wise in dealing with other beliefs especially if you are not well versed with the Word. you are blessed!
 
if you're not a very strong christian and do not have a deep foundatiom of God's word do not associate yourself with them because you might end up agreeing with them, for they are very convincing in laying down what they believed to be true. if you do not know the word well you will easily be swayed by their doctrine and their craftiness.

This is just what has been happening in my son's life, he was on 'fire' when he first got saved and was at home, since going straight back to his wife in the organization, his fire has been just smoldering, as if a soaking rag has been put on top of him and is putting it out.

I have seen this with my own eyes, he is been confused as he is a babe in Christ, he cannot see it himself, usually we don't see what is happening right under our noses.
I have tried to keep as consistant with him as much as he will let me in, by asking him to keep me company at church, sometimes he goes usually he doesn't.

My hands are ties regards speaking about the word, he has told me quite plainly, no, your preaching, he can't see it's fellowship, again, that's only since he went back in his wife's influence.
Some phrases he has come of with are not in the Word of God, this is how I know, her influence, also he has been to her meeting again, not good, can't mix the two when your Born Again, as already said when young in the faith that leads to all kinds of confusing.

I pray the Lord Jesus will show him the path he needs to stay on, that he will hear the true word preached and take it upon his heart, I hope he will be that light that will lead her to Jesus.

'One has to remember none of us perfect and none of us righteous'
Strypes already knows this and wasn't refering that we were, I am sure of that.
 
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Jonah
why is it you seem intent on discrediting our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ?

I LOVE Jesus Christ & His Father {Our Almighty Father} with all my heart, soul & mind. And, with all my might!

I do not belittle Him or disrespect Him. He is on my mind every single day, with every thing I do or say.

didn't he lay down His life for us all?
what man would do that for us?
He was the sinless, spotless, perfect sacrifice who made atonement for us.
Is that not enough for you?

Why do you cause trouble, for? I have done nothing wrong! I have said nothing wrong! And I never said anything bad against Jesus, either!

There is no other blood that could be 'good' enough to take away our sin.
why still then do you not have the faith it requiires to believe that He is the great I am?

Do you really want to be a voice crying out among the 'scoffers'?

It takes faith, it is written, just believe, and be done with trying to disprove Him.

He is our bridge back to God, the one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus, do you really think he would let anyone call him 'good' he is meek and humble, as we to are to be.
Just believe and receive Him.
Amen

You mock me & you are so wrong about me! I know who GOD is & who Jesus is too!

I also know that Jesus & The Almighty GOD LOVE me verry, verry much.

I also realize too, it's not so much the fact 'HOW' Jesus Christ was crusified (Cross,Stake or Tree). But it's 'WHAT & WHY' He died for:

He died for our SINS in HOPE that we might be saved.

And either way one might look at it, He still died a very painful & an unfair death, because He loved us so much!

And I believe what Jesus would like for all the religions that believe in Him & His Almighty Father {Who by the way is our Father, too} to come together as one big family, & concentrate on what's most important;

following Jesus Christ through His teachings & His examples that He set for us all to do.

So many religions have so much incommon, but little differences keep them all apart.

We are to be different from the ways of worldly people. But not different from Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ said in Matthew "do not call your brother a fool".

But so many times I've seen brothers & sisters pointing their finger at each and evey religion, other than own. Criticising them for what they teach. {John 10:16 & John 14:24}

How can we help others who may be mis-lead, if we're not open minded ourselves?

Is this what Christ wanted us to do?

NO! Of coase not!

He wanted us to Worship His Father The Almighty God. To love The Almighty God with all our heart! This was & still is the very first commandment & still, second like it was & is to love your neighbor as you would love yourself. {Matthew 22:37-39}
 
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In my opinion, Matthew 28:19 establishes the reality of the triune Godhead very emphatically: "Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." If they were not all in the One God, Jesus would not have commanded that people be baptized in the name of all three.

SLE
 
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Why do you cause trouble, for? I have done nothing wrong! I have said nothing wrong! And I never said anything bad against Jesus, either!

You mock me & you are so wrong about me! I know who GOD is & who Jesus is too!

I also realize too, it's not so much the fact 'HOW' Jesus Christ was crusified (Cross,Stake or Tree). But it's 'WHAT & WHY' He died for:


And I believe what Jesus would like for all the religions that believe in Him & His Almighty Father {Who by the way is our Father, too} to come together as one big family, & concentrate on what's most important;

So many religions have so much incommon, but little differences keep them all apart.

We are to be different from the ways of worldly people. But not different from Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ said in Matthew "do not call your brother a fool".

But so many times I've seen brothers & sisters pointing their finger at each and evey religion, other than own. Criticising them for what they teach. {John 10:16 & John 14:24}

How can we help others who may be mis-lead, if we're not open minded ourselves?

Is this what Christ wanted us to do?

NO! Of coase not!

He wanted us to Worship His Father The Almighty God. To love The Almighty God with all our heart! This was & still is the very first commandment & still, second like it was & is to love your neighbor as you would love yourself. {Matthew 22:37-39}

'I am not going to say Jesus is or is not GOD, any more. I am going to leave that in GOD'S Hands.'

So many religions have so much incommon, but little differences keep them all apart.

We are to be different from the ways of worldly people. But not different from Jesus Christ.
'I am not going to say Jesus is or is not GOD, any more. I am going to leave that in GOD'S Hands.'
Jonah these are your own very words, I am only repeating your words here.
I am not causing you trouble sister, I only want to help, and I'm am very sorry if that is the way it has come across, I have had so much of this in my own family with my son's wife confusing him instead of letting him be and finding out for himself with Jesus leading him.


Jesus Christ said in Matthew "do not call your brother a fool".
Matthew 5 v 22
22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Jonah, you have got me all wrong sister, who am I to scorn anyone, God forbid, but if we can't speak the truth from our Bible then what use are we? you will see I have never called you a fool nor wouldn't, and I certainly are not 'angry' with you, quite the opposite,
it is good to discuss these matters.

It is yourself taking the wrong meaning from it, but there is only ONE way to God and that is through Jesus Christ.
Romans 5 v 11
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Romans 5 v 21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6 v 11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6 v 23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 15 v 17
I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.
1 Corinthians 15 v 57
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.


'There's a way back to God, from the dark paths of sin,
there's a door that is open and all may go in
at Calvary's cross is were you begin
when you come as a sinner to Jesus'


Matthew 27 v 32
And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
Matthew 27 v 40
Matthew 27 v 42
Mark 15 v 21
Mark 15 v 32
oh so many more verses say cross nothing else but cross, but no need to get tied up with that, it says so in scripture, God breathed, so we believe.


There is a broad road and MANY are on it
Matthew 7 v 14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Don't be fooled Jonah, as some would have us so, there are many differances that man has made in 'religion' and man made organiazations, don't believe the lie that there are only few things that divide, that is a lie of Satan so that people will not come to Jesus and the cross of Calvary, and they will be damned to hell without even knowing it.

Please sister, keep on talking with us, it is good to discuss the Word of God, together, and if one soul see's the marvelous light of Jesus Christ then it is worthwhile.

Plus it does us good to be able to help each other, so please don't ever think it is 'getting at you' as I've said God forbid, He would not approve.

Isaiah 1 v 18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

For us all.
 


Ok, but I just can't see the point in turning my back on anyone who only & truly wants to Worship The Almighty GOD or Jesus Christ, who ever they may be.

But I Will drop the subject.

For I realize too, I could be the one who is blind. Maybe I see to much into my heart instead of truth.

Please, forgive me I meant well.

And I would like to thank you all, for taking the time out, to help me to understand.

Who, knows maybe some day I will understand.
*genesis
 
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oh Jonah
I will pray for you, for understanding.
You just keep asking the Lord Jesus to reveal the truth to you and through the scriptures He will.
He is the almighty God, and He will not leave you nor forsake you.
You have a willing spirit and seek the truth, Jesus is the way the TRUTH and the life.

Luke 18 v 31
Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

Don't go away, stay around and fellowship with us Jonah.
There are others on here only too willing to help you sister.
Lordbless you with understanding I pray.
 
to maureen

dear maureen:

greetings in His wonderful name!

I'll help you pray for your son, don't worry bcoz at times the Lord uses man's confusion to make him really search for TRUTH. its been my experience in the past that when i shared God's word to people they become more confused rather than being enlightened yet in my heart of heart i know that the Holy Spirit is working in his life. i do believe once a person accepted Christ & for some reason went back to the old life the Lord will not let go astray permanently bcoz Jesus will never turn His back on His word, for His words are true eternally, Jesus said in john 10:28-31, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hands.My Father who has given them to me; is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." Be at rest sister in Jesus' promise.
 
Thank you sister Hannah
for your kind words of encouragement which are greatly appreciated.

I have a kindred spirit with your name, I was referred to in church one time as being a Hannah, at the time I didn't know why, but since have read and re-read Hannah's story, in Samuel, studied it, and know I touch her spirit for her praying from her heart, lips only moving, crying unto the Lord, I used to think, why is the Pastor saying that bout me, I certainly don't want a baby, my baby is 23yrs and has his own baby but then I realized it's her spirit.

'no one can snatch them out of my hands.My Father who has given them to me; is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one.'

but we can still walk away, I did to my shame at the age of 16, and didn't return until I was 49.

I cannot even make mention to him about church, if he's going or not, to look out for him, says 'can you not talk bout anything else Mum'
Now what way is that for a new convert to react when asked if he's going to be in church on Sunday?

Please keep on praying he needs your prayers, so do I, as my unsaved husband, is now at his nonsence again.
I got a 'word' on Sunday night about if there's a Samuel in your home be he male or female and your not listening to him/her, then God will remove that Samuel and you will miss their thoughtfullness, kindness and their concern for your salvation.
This has been the case since that night, and the Lord has been removing me daily, filling my days, sleeping apart from him, and through the storm there is His peace that passes all understanding. Amen.

so please pray on sister, keep touching the throne of grace, because I'm not sure if His spirit has stopped striving with my husband, as it seems that way to me, he has rejected so many times, he's heard and yet is deaf, he see's but yet he is blind, the deciever is doing a good work in him, the Father of all lies, he even told me that God was filling his days too, but I told him to make sure it is of God, and not the devil.

Oh I could say so much, but would take so long,
thank you again sister, keep on them knees (figuratively speaking)
 
Cult = (bear with me ~ considering the word is not found in scripture)...but the scripture does say anything found or founded outside the knowledge and completeness of Christ is dung. You are not alone tho, the lawkeepers find the word dung gets on their nerves too ...:wink:

Php 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
 
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Hello

Hi..I Have A Long Story...I Was Catholic..I Was Part Of The Jehovah's Witnesses...then They Persecuted My Friend And I..since Then God Has Opened Up The Bible To Me Greatly..I Know What They Believe And Some Is True, Some Is Not.. I Only Read The First Page Of Post And Will Go Back And Read More...not Everything Said About Them Negative Is Correct..however,.. Allot Of Thier Prophetic Explanations Are Wrong,..and I Have Personally CouselLed Them To Repent Over Those Things, along with any who are practicing sin..I Do Not Claim To Know Everything...

I Have Come Full Circle...and Am Back To Basics, Jesus And Love..

However, We Do Need The Rest Of The Bible, It Keeps Our Minds Sharp...what Is Wrong Is Any Denomination...according To Revelation 2 And 3..concerning The Congregations...we Can Learn Allot..I Have...even Jesus Said Some Christians Have A Sect..

I Would Be Happy To Discuss Any Subject..although Like I Said..I Do Not Know Everything..

Jesus Said..'if 2 Or 3 Are Gathered Together In My Name, There I Am In Their Midst'...so I Have Lately Come To Appreciate That Each Christian Stands Alone In Judgment... As Jesus Said He Would Judge Each One According To Their Deeds..but we do not have to gather with a denomination...and if we do..accd to Rev. that is fine...just be a faithful one there,...know your Bible so you won't be decieved...

Any Questions? Love, Christine
 
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