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The other thing that really confuses me is that when they start to give us these bible studies, or small talks they very often refer to themselves as being "Christains", and belevers of Christ. Which leads me to ask the following questions are Jehovah Witnesses catergorised as being Christains and also witnesses? What is the diffrence? Why do they reffer to themselves as being both? Can anyone help answer?

Thanks
Francesca

Hi Francesca,

Watchtower teaching is nothing more than a cacophony of old heresies. Some very old such as Gnosticism (1stcentury AD) which said Jesus Christ was an angel, a created being, a son of God not the Son of God. They believed that knowledge is the key to eternal life. Another old heresy which is core belief of the watchtower is Arianism. A 4th century heresy which is anti-trinitarian.

In John's gospel chapter 17 and verse 3 Jesus is recorded to have said, “This is eternal life: that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” The term 'know you' in this verse is speaking of a personal relationship. It is not knowing information about the person of God and Jesus Christ. You can know a lot about someone without actually knowing them. That is the difference between true Christianity and watchtower religion.

Like the Gnostic's they think knowledge is the key to eternal life. John 17:3 is the JW equivalent of John 3:16 for Christians. Unfortunately the JW's have a very skewed view of it.
So JW's should not be called Christian, they are Gnostic's; and should known as Gnostic's.

Blessings,
Tony
 
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Hi family,

One thing that I have found to be very helpful in talking with not only Jw's, but anyone, is to take the Scripture in context. In other words, not just read a verse here and a verse there, but to read the complete thought whether it be several verses or the chapter depending on the circumstances. Anything can be easily taken out of context if it is being isolated from the complete thought.

Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line
upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little."

John 8:31-32 "Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
 
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You know Kingskid
my husband has a big issue with that being done from the pulpit

because the preacher reads the scripture then translates it how he sees it.

sometimes I have noticed a differant view point myself, but this is even with several verses and not just one on it's own, which could be easily taken out of context.

Surely it is expounded from the pulpit, I'm sure most of it is adhered to the scripture, but I'm sure too some is the preachers own interpretation of it.

Like the verse 'by His stripes we are healed' now I have heard this said that it is for physical healing, I heard this said from God TV not in the church
but it is for sin healing surely.

What are your views about this (everyone now) on this sort of 'interpreting' scripture.
 
Hi Maureen,
In answer to your question, I too have heard things preached that I have
totally disagreed with from time to time. What makes that difficult is that
many times we don't have the opportunity to discuss it as we do here.

II Tim. 2:15 tells us to "Study to show thyself approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

Acts 17:11 Paul in this passage said the Bereans were "more noble" because they searched the scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

There are many things preached today. We must ask the Holy Spirit to lead
us into all truth and search the word for ourselves. We also need to have
some good study aids (Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Greek and Hebrew
dictionaries etc.) This helps us to know more completely the true meaning
of passages.

In response to the example you gave in Isa 53:5. The Hebrew word for that
word healed is Strong's #7495 - rapha or raphah "a prim. root; prop. to mend (by stitching) i.e (fig.) to cure: - cure, (cause to) heal, physician, repair x thoroughly, make whole."

Jesus demonstrated the Word alive when He came to this earth. He healed
people Spiritually and physically.
 
I believe if He was healing in the days when He walked the earth we can claim that healing for others today.

I like this scripture from 1 Pet.2.

4 Surely he took up our infirmities
and carried our sorrows,
yet we considered him stricken by God,
smitten by him, and afflicted.

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

He is our Jehovah rapha. Praise God.

I found this too.

A BIBLE CONFESSION OF THE MOUTH
by Betty Miller
from bible.com.


Never again will I confess sickness, for "With His stripes I am healed" (Isaiah 53:5). Jesus "Himself took my infirmities and bare my sickness" (Matthew 8:17).


This confirms what I was taught at church and have encouraged others to pray healing scriptures over their sickness too.

God bless :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
I agree with Kings Kid. You can take passages selectively from any book, speech or conversation and spin them as you would want them to appear to others. Being in possession of the full facts allows us to make up our minds.One aspect of the JW faith I will never understand is their refusal to allow a blood transfusion even if it could mean the death of a child. Here in Ireland the child is immediately made a ward of the court allowing a judge to make the decision. On the other hand I saw a JW family responding to a man who killed their child through reckless driving showing a level of forgiveness that amazed me.Their faith was unbreakable.I wonder how many of us could be as forgiving. Because I do not understand I will never judge for as I have said many times before judgment is solely in the power of our Lord and Master.
 
Amen LadylovesJesus! Everything Jesus was on this earth, He is in us by
the Holy Spirit. Yes, He is our Healer and our All in All! His name is His
character. Anytime our family experiences any sickness we go to God first, anoint with olive oil and pray for God's healing. We give the Owner of us the opportunity first and foremost, and then if he leads we go to the doctor.
God has healed not only me, our family, but others for whom we have
prayed.

He loves when we know His name. His name is His character, hallelujah!
That is why he tells us to pray according to His will. His Word is His will
and His name is His character.

Daniel 11:32b "...but the people who know their God shall be strong, and
carry out great exploits."

I would challenge you (if you haven't done so before) to do a study on the
names of God. It is very powerful!

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld
His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever."

If we are going to be Jehovah's witnesses (I'm not talking about the organ-
ization) we must know Him intimately and allow Him to be all He is in us
and do all that is in His character (His name) and will (His Word) through
us.

Praise You Jesus! We love You so much!
 
I agree with Gwen.

Hey Chad,
I just want to question somehting you said...you said not to bother or deal with JW. I disaggree. I'm not sure if they are Christians or not, or rather I'm not sure whether some of them might be Christians, but I DON'T believe Jesus would have us totally not associate with them. I believe we can't or shouldn't embrace or let cult type beliefs be made okay but Jesus said to love the sinner, hate the sin. We can't let ourselves into a situation we are compromising the truth but I don't believe it's in love if we just shun those others and not deal with them. Jesus embraced the untouchables and people of other beliefs. If bothers me that you say not to associate with them. Please know I mean no disrespect...just trying to find the truth in each and every situation
your sister in Christ,
Gwendolyn

And I find it hard to call them evil, when all they believe & want to do is Worship GOD to the very best of their knowledge, wanting & hoping to do righteousness in the name of GOD.

And I believe that GOD recognizes this.

They mean well.

It's not like they go around abusing & killing people or purposely telling lies that they know are lies.

They just speak the truth according to the way they were taught.

My heart goes out to them as my heart also goes out to all of you, I love TalkJesus!

There is no-one more beautiful then the one who truly wants & trys to Worship GOD with all their heart, soul & mind.

And I love all of you even more because you try & hope to accomplish that beautiful fact.

I find that with in myself, I can't say they are wrong anymore than I can say you are wrong.

I find that you & Jehovah Witnesses make a lot of sense in what you preach.

People come plain that they push their beliefs on us.

I agree, they may push a little bit more then some. But all they are trying to do is to leave no room for worldliness.

And yes they love to talk about the Bible, that's just the way they are.

I find them to be a blessing just as I find TalkJesus a blessing.

To be able to talk about GOD & Jesus is what I long to do, it's what keeps me alive.

I sure can't talk about the Bible with my husband because he doesn't agree with the Bible.
 
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Many children have died through the family not allowing them a blood transfusion, must have been in USA, the children's pictures appeared on one of their WatchTower Magizines giving them the title of Martyrs.
Very sad that is.

It is to do with their teaching in the old Testament about withdraw from eating of blood, but to me that is entirely differant from receiving it to save your life, your not eating it, but they hold fast to it. Here again, misinterpretation.

I don't believe we should 'shun' them either, but try to help them, I have, but it is very hard to 'get through' they are so stuck in the organization as they will disown them if they leave, also they are told that no-one only those in it will get to paradise, all 144.000 of them, yes we all know were they get that scripture from, Revelations 7 V 4, the Tribes of Israel, and say only they can interpret the scriptures correctly, we Christian's worship satan, they think.

I think the worst belief has to be to deny Christ's Divinity and the Trinity.

How does anyone go from a denominational church to J.W. is beyond me, I have read up so much because of having a daughter in law as one, needed to know just what they did believe.

They also say Jesus is the Angel Michael.

It's all a form of brian washing by their organization.
I've read information were it says they set up their meetings as in a hypnotic setting, something to do with a 3 point, so that they are going from one to another to another in an orderly fashion, I don't know only repeating what it said in the article on it.

It's so sad what all these 'others' do believe, but worst thing is they feel same as we do that 'they' are right, as we do, but if they were to really delve into it and not be blinded by their leaders, they would realize what they believe coudln't be right.

They all have the verse, Jesus said, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life'
how can that be not understood?

Oh Jonah don't be fooled, they really are sheep in wolves clothing, and we are to help show them, if you ask them 'is Jesus God' you'll see their reaction, they will not worship the cross, the blood that was shed for us, they will say Jesus was impaled, on a stump. They know scripture well, KNOW it in their head, NOT their HEART.
 
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Hey I'm confused... don't all Christians believe this?

People God approves will receive everlasting life
 
John 3 v 3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

this is what the word of God says, trulyblezzed
 
They mean well.

It's not like they go around abusing & killing people or purposely telling lies that they know are lies.
They just speak the truth according to the way they were taught.
Ask them to define "Theocratic War Strategy"

As for "Truth"...what the Watchtower teaches is anything but "truth"
 
I agree with Gwen.
And I find it hard to call them evil, when all they believe & want to do is Worship GOD to the very best of their knowledge, wanting & hoping to do righteousness in the name of GOD.

And I believe that GOD recognizes this.

They mean well.

It's not like they go around abusing & killing people or purposely telling lies that they know are lies.

They just speak the truth according to the way they were taught.

My heart goes out to them as my heart also goes out to all of you, I love TalkJesus!

There is no-one more beautiful then the one who truly wants & trys to Worship GOD with all their heart, soul & mind.

And I love all of you even more because you try & hope to accomplish that beautiful fact.

I find that with in myself, I can't say they are wrong anymore than I can say you are wrong.

I find that you & Jehovah Witnesses make a lot of sense in what you preach.

People come plain that they push their beliefs on us.

I agree, they may push a little bit more then some. But all they are trying to do is to leave no room for worldliness.

And yes they love to talk about the Bible, that's just the way they are.

I find them to be a blessing just as I find TalkJesus a blessing.

To be able to talk about GOD & Jesus is what I long to do, it's what keeps me alive.

I sure can't talk about the Bible with my husband because he doesn't agree with the Bible.

God shines from you Jonah, and I thank you for your kind post and words, it's been a blessing to me.

God wants us, to edify (teach) each other and not to go against each other. Religion causes so many divisions, this was not God's intention. I really wish people would just walk away from it (religion I mean). When you become a Christian, (Born again), the first question people ask you, "What church do you go too" erm I think they have missed the point, God walks with His people, spiritually and wants a relationship with us. So we can get to know Him and His son.

Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

These people (JW's) do worship the creator. Man has caused this division, and like most of us, we take man's view or the preachers word for it, instead of listening to the Creator. There are some things, which I totally disagree with, according that religion, but there again, there are also some things I disagree with according to most Church setups and their beliefs. Most churches are still following rituals and traditions of man. But the people out there are so blinded by it, they just don't see it. One needs to go to God, ask and speak to Him, He will show you and give you answers.

And yes they love to talk about the Bible, that's just the way they are.

I love to speak about the Bible, God and His Word and our Lord Jesus too, everyday, but most people don't. You talk and most run away or change the subject.

When you are Born again, one cannot walk straight back into this world again. Scripture tells us we are hate this world, we have become new creatures now. The old has gone, and the old life has gone too, we are now new creatures in Christ, and we need to re-new our minds according God ways and according to scripture. This is where the battle begins.

1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

In most cases, I can't tell the differencet between Christians and non Christians of today, they just blend in with each other and resort straight back to the world again.

There are some questions we don't know the answers too, and those questions will only be revealed to us, only when Jesus comes back for us.
To be honest, I think, most of us are going to be in for a good telling off, We have just become little gods, deciding who is right and who is wrong.

Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

The devil has decieved the whole world. But what did the devil decieve us with?

But Jesus will reveal, what needs to be reavealed to us, when he comes back.
 
As for "Truth"...what the Watchtower teaches is anything but "truth"
I agree
but what is 'Ask them to define "Theocratic War Strategy'
Ive not heard that one?

Am interested now.
 
= Maureen
They know scripture well, KNOW it in their head, NOT their HEART

That is so true.

Here are some of their beliefs I found strange,
...You can never question what is printed in Watchtower literature

...You are forbidden to attend a funeral of an ex-Jehovah's Witness

... God will destroy all non-Jehovah's Witnesses at armageddon

...Only Jehovah's Witness prayers are heard by God

...The Lord's supper is only to be eaten by select Jehovah's Witnesses (144,000 group-99.99% of Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden from taking the Lord's supper)


I try to talk to them but, they are really hard to get through to.
 

I try to talk to them but, they are really hard to get through to.

I do feel so sorry for my son who is married to one, and he has just recieved Jesus into his life, imagine how hard it is for him, only a babe in Christ, she is pouring on her beliefs to him, whereas she couldn't before he was saved, she said, now you believe in God to, we can share.
He is not strong enough and knowledgable enough to be able to know that things she is telling him are wrong, he does not understand the true gospel enough yet, as he is only on milk, I know it's hard for a new convert without this added pressure, oh please pray for him, his name is Evan, he needs much prayer and help from our Lord Jesus to be an overcomer, to lead her to His marvelous light, but I fear to say this but I already see a dimming of his own light, he is not reading the Bible like he was, and he's back to reading fiction books, which he'd stopped since starting the Bible.

they are hard to get through to, because they 'learn' the scripture in repitition fashion, like Budists, it is not a heart learning of it, and much of their Bible has been changed to suit what they believe.
There again, they go by mostly their Watchtower teaching magazine.

I didn't know that about funeral's, how awful. How can they truly believe that God only hears their prayers, they won't go through the cross and blood of the Lord Jesus, it's straight to God, don't believe he is our mediator, wouldn't when they deny His Divinity, the Cross and the Power of His blood.
 
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As for "Truth"...what the Watchtower teaches is anything but "truth"
I agree
but what is 'Ask them to define "Theocratic War Strategy'
Ive not heard that one?

Am interested now.

I have done extensive research on Watchtower Doctrine. I had a friend once (actually today is his birthday) that has "disfellowshipped" me. He was raised JWS and I wanted to know what it was that made "regurlar" christians consider JWS a cult. You would not believe the extent to which i went to peel that onion! But I got to the core. And the crux is The Holy Spirit and the resurrection.

Jehovah's witnesses believe that Jesus was not raised (literally) from the dead. The WatchTower teaches that his physical body ceased to exist and he was "raised" a spiritual being. I could post thirty scriptures to dispute their "accurate knowledge" but one will do.. Romans 10:9 "if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord, " and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

The Holy Spirit to JWS is likened to electricity and not a person.. they call him and "IT".... with out the PERSONAL relationship ... the mark of ownership.... they will burn in HELL.. wether they believe it exist or not.

ok i am off topic...Back to Theocratic War Strategy

*** Watchtower 1957 May 1 pp.285-286 Use Theocratic War Strategy ***

Use Theocratic War Strategy

A WITNESS of Jehovah was going from house to house in Eastern Germany when she met a violent opposer. Knowing at once what to expect she changed her red blouse for a green one in the very next hallway. No sooner had she appeared on the street than a Communist officer asked her if she had seen a woman with a red blouse. No, she replied, and went on her way. Did she tell a lie? No, she did not. She was not a liar. Rather, she was using theocratic war strategy, hiding the truth by action and word for the sake of the ministry.

Lies are untruths told for selfish reasons and which work injury to others. Satan told a lie to Eve that worked great harm to her and all the human race. Ananias and Sapphira told lies for selfish reasons. But hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him, especially when he would use such information to harm others who are innocent.


So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good.

theocratic war strategy, hiding the truth by action and word for the sake of the ministry.


the position of the Watchtower (administrative arm of Jehovah’s Witnesses) is provide a license to any member or representative to allow any type of devious, deceptive practice or lie in defense of the “cause” or organization. “Theocratic Warfare” was defined extensively in the 1950’s and early 1960’s Watchtower literature as providing a basis to “withhold the truth from those not entitled to know it.” When Watchtower attorneys and members were recently questioned about this doctrine in depositions on the child abuse issue they pretended to not know or even hear of the terminology.

The Watchtower does not admit to teaching lying, but that lying to "God's enemies" is not really lying but "war strategy" (Keep in mind that "bornagains" are considered apostate and in league with satan and therefore in the eyes of the "organization, everyone in the world that is not a "baptized witness in good standing" is the enemy of God)

the Theocratic War doctrine implies there are some who are simply not “entitled” to know the truth and that if a person makes a false statement without intending to “work injury” to another, it isn’t a lie, but … a “Rahab technique.”


There is a group called silent lambs that are a group of ex Jehovah witnesses that have spoken out about child molestation within the watchtower/jws organization. In hundreds of court cases "Theocratic War Strategy" is used to protect the molesters. Usually high ranking elders and overseers.

Basically, It is ok to lie as long as it is to cover your butt.or the "butt" that molested children or the wife beater or the Fornicator/Adulterer in the "clean" congregation. Some of the testimonies I have read will make you literally sick. How the "congregations" protect the organization by covering up the abuse and out right lying in court.

Don't get me started on the "Theocratic War Strategy" in court cases... you would not believe the lies they tell in child custody cases.
 
I do believe it takes us to 'know' what is out there, as some are fooled in thinking they are harmless, they love God, what harm is in them, Don't be fooled I say, learn, even about Muslim teaching, they too are set against the 'Christian' they really are sheep in wolves clothing. As some are taken in by them.
My Mum's neighbour was one, started to read their Watchtower, seeing 'no harm' in it, she is a born again Christian, until I gave her litrature to read up on their beliefs, she soon changed her mind.

I had read in an article recently of a lie not being an untruth, and thought now were is the sense in that?
I didn't know it was termed as Theocratic War Strategy
as they are against war, and of course many other scriptural things, I know about the Holy Spirit, their non belief of HIM.
it isn't looking good for my son, as before he got saved his wife would not speak of things concerning J.W. to him, but she seen him being saved as a great opportunity to now discuss her belief, which I'm sure is confusing him, better had he stayed away and got built up in his faith first, before returning, he would have been better equipped to deal with it.

Only our Lord Jesus knows the outcome of all this, I pray for him, that HE would be HER light, and not the opposite as she has no light, he told me once that everyone has light in them, only some more than others, I thought, this is her teaching him, as that is lies.

He also said 'don't throw your meat to dogs that you wouldn't eat yourself' is that in the Bible? I couldn't find it.
Exodus 22 v 31
And ye shall be holy men unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs.
Matthew 7 V 6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs.........
Matthew 15 v26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
All do not say what he said.
twisting of scripture as they are renouned for.

What I couldn't understand was she was delighted he got saved, said that's what she always wanted, to me that didnt' make sense, and reading your writings is not what way she should have been toward him, but perhaps that gave the opening for her to discuss it with him, although he did attend her meetings for several months as she wanted him to be a J.W. and he thought he could, but with the Lord's praying people the door was slammed.

Thank you for your knowledge, it is interesting, Strypes

Did your friend come and speak to you regularly about these matters, then get enough of your reproving him, I could not get into that sort of 'fellowship' with my son's wife, too close to home for me. We choose not to discuss anything, in fact our relationship is awful, pass ourselves, but I found her to be a false person, what you see is not what she is.
 
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Did your friend come and speak to you regularly about these matters, then get enough of your reproving him,
Yes

Regarding the trinity.. I poses the challange for him to Prove to me in scripture that Jesus is not God and I would PROVE with scripture that the Holy Spirit is God. He banished me from his life after i sent the following email....

Long time ago in a galaxy far far away, We were searching for truth together. Our paths went separate ways but one thing I remember is that we both promised to ask the HOLY SPIRIT to be our teacher. To teach us TRUTH.

I did and the stuff He has shown me is amazing along with the way he taught it to me. I wanted to tell you about the night of Oct 19 last year but you never told me you wanted to hear it. So I guess I will continue to hold that in my heart until you ask and if you never want to know i guess I will treasure it privately.

So today i feel like bantering a bit...

I once ask you to prove to me that Jesus was not God.. Oh well, you haven't even tried. I have sent you stuff on the HOLY SPIRIT being God to which you have not attempted to refute.


Below is part of a study on the personage of the Holy Spirit..

CAN YOU PROVE TO ME THIS IS IN ERROR? DO YOU HAVE ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE?

Would you open your heart to the possibility HE IS MORE?

xxx


THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A PERSON

The Bible gives us clear evidence that the Holy Spirit is not a mystic or strange power. The Holy Spirit is not an “It” The Holy Spirit is spoken of as “He”

John 14:16 "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

The Holy Spirit has intelligence. (I Cor. 2:9-11, Rom. 8:27)

Rom. 8:27 He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is.

The Holy Spirit makes decisions (I Cor. 12:11)

The Holy Spirit has emotions
He feels love (Romans 15:30)
He feels grief (Eph. 4:29-30)

The Holy Spirit is active.
He speaks (Rev. 2:7) He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

He cries (Gal. 4:6) Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father."

He intercedes (Rom. 8:26) The Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.

He teaches (John 14:26) But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

He leads & guides. (Rom. 8:14, Acts 13:2, 16:6-10)

He appoints (Acts 20:28)Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

He gives testimony (John 15:26) When the Counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

He empowers (Acts 1:8) But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

The Treatment of the Holy Spirit

He can be resisted (Eph. 4:30) Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God

He can be insulted (Heb. 10:29) How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

He can be lied to (Acts 5:3) How is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit?

He can be quenched (I Thes. 5:19) Do not quench the Spirit.

He didn't keep his promise..

Today is his birthday...
 
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