Women Preachers?

[Cody]

Hey cody!
I liked what you wrote. I know you put alot of time into this. I never even thought about this subject untill you told be about it. So glad you did, thanks. We have to go by God's word, and if it's in His word, it is real and true. God Bless you my friend. Newfie

Thank you, Newfie.

and Amen, the word of God is the truth. God Bless you too

 

[ladylovesJesus]

Hey cody

What about this post by Chad in Scriptural answers then?

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-answers/37-woman-ministry.html

I was going to do an online search but we have the answers already here.

God bless

LLJ :rainbow: :rose:

 

[Cody]

My brother-in-law attends a church where a woman is the minister. Is this right?

Answer

Well, the answer is, "No," it’s not right, and I was interested, weren’t you, last week to see where the Episcopal Church ordained a woman priest; not only a woman, but a stated lesbian woman priest, and now the Episcopal Church has moved into that category. It’s startling to realize how far a field the church has come from the Bible.

I was talking to this fellow from Dallas Seminary yesterday, and he had just left a conference that was held up in the Berkeley area, around Stanford somewhere; no it wasn’t Berkeley, across the bay; but there was a conference there of all seminary people involved in administration in seminaries. And he said what was so interesting about it was that they did not have prayer lest they would offend someone. These are all seminary men. And the only song that they could agree on to sing was, “You Are My Sunshine,” so they sang that before each session.

Well, you know, when you see the Episcopal Church come to the place where they will ordain a woman, and ordain a lesbian woman, you know that they have opted out for the floating ethics of a society that has no authority. They have abandoned the Scripture, because the Bible is very clear about whether a woman could pastor, and I’ll show you a couple of incidents.

First Timothy is a good place to begin, and we’ll just do this briefly because we’ve covered it before, but I want to clear up your mind if you’re the one who asked the question, or you still have this question.

First Timothy chapter 3 and verse 2. Now the word "bishop" here is the same as pastor or elder; a minister of a church is what it means. “A bishop must be blameless, the husband of one wife”—"a one-woman man" is literally the Greek, "a one-woman man." Now it’s very hard for a woman to be a one-woman man; very difficult. Now like the lesbian, she could be a one-woman woman, but not a one-woman man. So here you have the husband of one wife, indicating that an elder would be one who was a man totally devoted to his wife.

Now backing up to verse 11 of First Timothy 2, it says, “Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. I permit not a woman to teach nor to take authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman.” In other words because Adam was made first and because the woman was the first to sin, confirming the priority of man in terms of leadership, God says this is an age-old principle that the man is in authority and the woman takes the place of submission.

In Second Timothy I think it most interesting that Second Timothy 2:2 gives us a pattern for leadership in the church: “And the things that thou hast heard from me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.” The teachers within the church are to be men, who have the responsibility to teach others also.

Titus 1:6, again, “The husband of one wife,”—or a one-woman man, again implying that women are not in a position of being ministers.

No, I believe that in the church men are to minister. Now that is not a chauvinistic statement, that is a biblical statement. And I’m not here to advocate a chauvinistic viewpoint or anti-woman or any of that, I’m just echoing what the Spirit of God has said in the scripture. And so it is not right for the woman to be in the role of a pastor.

Now there are some people who say, “Well that was just cultural.” No, it wasn’t just cultural, and that’s why Paul pointed back to Adam and Eve. It was from the beginning that way, it was not just a Corinthian culture or a culture around the time of the apostle Paul. So I think it’s wrong, and of course if it’s wrong, then I don’t think that we ought to associate with such a church because I think that is in very obvious defiance of the word of God.

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[Dreamer]

WHY DOES BLESSING APPEAR TO BE UPON THE MINISTRIES OF SOME WOMEN WHO PREACH AND TEACH TO MEN?

A quote from Cody on pg. 2 of this thread.

Well, I must then ask too, why are so many men 's ministries seeming to thrive when they are not living out the life of Christ at home, at work, or on the street?

Is that the only qualification for a pastor? That he be a man? Somehow that doesnt' seem enough.

I do not wish to be a pastor or be over men, and I don't believe too many female talk Jesus members are aspiring to do that either.

I just feel that you are saying that women don't belong in any type of ministry at all. I disagree with that presumption.

Cody, as we were chatting on MSN earlier, I could tell from your comments that you had not bothered to read what I posted about my Aunt Millie. That hurt my feelings, because I was trying to make a point that women DO belong in ministry, when GOD puts them there.

Loving the Word of God is wonderful. We also need to love each other, because that's what Jesus would do. That's how others will see Jesus in us. Non-christians will not see Jesus in us when we continually debate.

How many females here actually want to preach and be above men? I doubt that there are any, and if they are, they are probably hiding.

The fact is: some women are called to ministry. A woman's calling is as important to God as is a man's. Have you ever read about Deborah in the book of Judges. How do you explain her story in the bible? Was she just some freak? No, she was not a freak, she was a woman of God.

I guess I should not become so offended. This talk and debate cannot and will not take my ministry away. My ministry is here in my county, and no one can take it away from me except the Lord Himself, as He is the One who gave it to me. I have searched a long time and had to do a lot of growing before the Lord could use me. I am neither superior to any man in ministry....nor am I inferior.

Cody, if you are referring to Joyce Meyer, then I would like to say that I don't even watch her on t.v.
I already know that women aren't supposed to be preachers. I just don't like it drilled into my head over and over as if we women were too stupid to get it the first time?

Beth Moore is a bible teacher. Not a preacher, but a superb bible teacher. So tell me, Cody, is she out of God's will?

Uh...you are a member of a Southern Baptist church, right? So am I. Have you ever given to the annual Lottie Moon offering or the Annie Armstrong offering? One is at Christmas and the other is at Easter. They are two Baptist overseas missionaries that we honor every year, even though they are now in heaven. They never "preached" over men that I know of, but they fully gave their lives to Christ and to ministry.

And what about Corrie Ten Boom? She went all over the nation speaking about God's love and her ability in Jesus to forgive the Nazi's.

What about Joni Ereckson Tada? Should she stop writing books about God?

 

[Cody]

Dreamer, I did read about your aunt and I'm sure she was a great woman of God. You also told me she did not preach in church. So why are you so mad? I did not disrespect your aunt in any way and never did I say women are to stay out of ministry. The only thing I said is that I believe women should not preach or teach in the church with men present. I'm sorry that you thought I meant such things, but I did not and I would never want to hurt your feelings purposely. I love you in Christ, Sister Dreamer.

 

[Ronda]

I agree with this that women should not be over men or teach men, however, since so many men have abdicated their roles as the spiritual leaders women have been forced to teach, lead and guide in many cases. Let us pray that the Christian men of this country will become strong and take the position God has given them as the spiritual leaders.

 

[rizen1]

=Ronda
Let us pray that the Christian men of this country will become strong and take the position God has given them as the spiritual leaders.

I agree with you, our brothers in Christ need to rise up. And the few that see a problem need to spend more time encouraging one another, so there would be a balance in church.

In repsonse to that article

=Cody
last week to see where the Episcopal Church ordained a woman priest; not only a woman, but a stated lesbian woman priest, and now the Episcopal Church has moved into that category. It’s startling to realize how far a field the church has come from the Bible.

Not sure what the time frame of this appointment was, but I'm sure there were articles about Respectable women like, Joyce Meyer, Juanita Bynum, Paula White to name a few of some anointed Women Leaders.
To use information with a Homosexual individual shows that only the negative side of female preachers would be seen. The topic is Women Preachers, not " Gay Women Preachers ".


If it was then I'd have to say the appointment of the open gay female bishop, was by male counter parts, who probably ordain Rev. Gene Robinson.
Wednesday, August 6, 2003
MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota (CNN) -- The House of Bishops voted Tuesday evening to confirm the Rev. Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire, making him the first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church's history.


In these two situation it's not sex, but the character of the Leader. Sin can not lead the house of God. God's word can not be shaken or removed. I listen to Joyce Myers and have some of her books, my development and learning how to cope with anxiety and depression came through her anointing. God used her to help me, and I'm sure a guy in my situation would also learn.


Women who preach should not be looked at as foolish, or ridiculous, but we must ask ourselves where are the Men, and how did we reach here. How did we let this happen, does society play a part on the change of gender roles. What would Jesus Do, we cant always judge by what our leaders teach us. The Holy Spirit should be our only director, not man. Is this the result of the breakdown of Men not being head of their households.


Cody I agree there is a problem with Gender roles that exist today, and I believe if more men step up we will see a great change in society and not just the church. Sorry Men but the change is in you, God created you to lead, and if the head is corrupt the body will fall, that's why we face this dilemma.


This thread is amazing but your material should include respectable Women (Paula White etc ), not unbiblical characters ( open gay female Preacher ).

 

[willb]

I agree with this that women should not be over men or teach men, however, since so many men have abdicated their roles as the spiritual leaders women have been forced to teach, lead and guide in many cases. Let us pray that the Christian men of this country will become strong and take the position God has given them as the spiritual leaders.

Now that hits the nail on the head IMO.

Well said Ronda

 

[catseye]

Cody,
Your recent post disturbs me. Woman came from man and man came from God.(1 Cor 11:8-10) Yes, men have authority over women but do you know what this means?
Are you implying that men are superior to women? This is a popular belief (especially in the Baptist faith). But it is not biblical. In Christ there is neither Jew (old testament), nor Greek (protestant, new testament believer), male nor female.(Gal 3:28, Col 3:11) Women are described in the New Testament as being the “weaker vessel” (1 Pe 3:7) which if you go beyond the “King James” to the Greek Septuagint that the scripture was taken from means that the woman is to be treasured as a “vessel” that is to be placed on a pedestal as an art form. She is to add beauty to the house (of God) which she is a part of. It does not mean that men are superior!
Men have a responsibility to women just as Christ has a responsibility to the “church”. Men are to watch over women just as Christ watches over the church. It is not a license to “lord” authority over women. Authority is the God given commission given to men to protect and shelter women. Woman came from man and man came from God.(1 Cor 11:8-10) This is not a contest as to who’s in charge! It is about care, love, and stewardship.
You may know the scriptures, but do you know the loving “Daddy” (Rom 8:15, Gal 4:6) in heaven Who inspired them to be written? You may have read the “King James” version of the bible and listened to countless preachers in the pulpit, but have you studied the original Greek Septuagint that the New Testament was actually written in? I have, and in it is a loving heavenly Father Who beacons us all (male and female) to express His love in all that we do!

 

[spirit1st]

Some women look at this very wrong!
Pride causes this.satan uses it to divide!

God took nothing from women, What, HE did was put the burden on the MAN.

Now, He judges the man harder!

Of course , Anything that makes one responsible for the other? Will result in some thinking they have lost something?

In the spirit we are equal , in the flesh we are not!

There are rules for the flesh and rules for the spirit!

1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honor unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


Women and Men are different, normally.
Women are as a rule more tender hearted.
Women as a whole tend to want to think things over.
Men tend to action must quicker[ not always right]

We are different creatures as a whole!

it takes both to make a marriage and home for a family.

It always causes trouble on sites if this is allowed top go to far

Because people take it personal and reject the living WORD!

In our spirit person we are equal in our flesh? That is not the case!

Now i know GOD will work though anyone WIlling?

But, He prefers to work though the man
in Leader ship roles as far as homes and governments and groups toward men


Men have a natural desire not to be led by women.
They feel there place tom protect and watch over the women and family.
Many men have died protecting there homes and family's and nations.

It is our desire to protect them.
and guide them.

That is not to say , many women are wiser in many ways than men are.a few women are even more powerful than some men.
The true is? We just on the norm have a different mind set than a woman.

It really not worth arguing about or causing such division on a web site!

It is good reason why men and women are to be separate in many parts of life.especially married men or married women.
it can destroy whole homes and family's and bring great trouble into a family for many years after the damage has been done!

As long as we are in this weak flesh , we will have trouble, it is best we see now what to avoid and bring less trouble on our selves and others.

I go to another site where women got so upset on these scriptures they left the site.
I find this a trick of satan to divide the body of CHRIST JESUS!

We should never allow him to do this to GODS CHILDREN!

 

[catseye]

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There are many women today that have been raised up by the Holy Spirit:
Betty Robinson, Paula White, Joyce Myer, Beth Moore, and others, to speak the gospel
(good news of Jesus Christ). They are not second class citizens in the body of Christ
as some ministers preach from pulpits.

Men who do not know the true nature and character of God the loving heavenly Father,
preach that woman are subject to men and are inferior. They do not embrace the concept
of love taught in the New Testament.

It is a popular teaching that is not scriptural and
it is taught by men that do not know their authority in Christ. They are “fearful” and do not
experience the full impact of the work of Christ. Just because someone has the title of “reverend”
and stands behind the pulpit of your church does not mean that he knows the loving heavenly Father
in heaven. He may understand that all of us need the saving grace of Jesus Christ but it does not
mean that he understands the loving embrace of our heavenly Father as “Daddy”.

You have listened to and accepted what has been taught to you, but you need to know the Father
“first hand”. You are wise beyond your years, but you need to experience firsthand the love of the
Father in order to comprehend the truth that all are equal in the sight of God and none are second class.

Service to God is not about “doing” but is about our state of “being”. It is who we are (in Christ)
and not about what we do.

You can quote scripture right and left but it is not about what you can recite from an intellectual
view point that matters, it is about your relationship to the Father God in heaven and the “good news”
of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is a “personal” experience, NOT what you have heard from the pulpit and other people!

Women are not second class citizens in the body of Christ as some “ministers” would proclaim from the pulpits!
I have a friend named Diane who has spoken words of life into my experience. Another woman, Debbie has told
me things I needed to hear to accomplish the calling on my life! Betty has given me encouragement in times
when I needed it most! Women are ministers! Men who fear them and their ministry are misguided and not in
line with the Father! They reject what the Holy Spirit wants to unfold in their lives!

 

[Ronda]

Catseye
It is not that men are superior, just God has given men and women different roles. When men abdicate their God-given roles, women are forced to step in to an area that was not God's intention for them to be in. We as brothers and sisters under the blood are all part of one body, and should help support each other in the roles God has given.

 

[spirit1st]

Very wise of you to see that.
Bless you

 

[Ronda]

Amen! Spirit1st good original post!

 

[lou_lou1345]

im sorry but this really seems very sexist to me. y cant women be as good as a leader as men? ok please tell me. there are plenty of women pastors. r u saying they are doing wrong? ok now im confused.

lou xxx

 

[Cody]

Hey Lou, please read my first posts and the Bible scriptures I posted. I believe this will give you the answer. I don't believe the Bible is sexist at all. Men and women are equal, but God has given different roles to each sex. God bless you, sister

 

[Cody]

Are you implying that men are superior to women? This is a popular belief (especially in the Baptist faith).

No. I don't know what kind of Baptists you are talking about, but the Baptist churches I've went to don't believe that at all. I would never go to a church that put women down and I want to clear that up with you.

 

[lou_lou1345]

Amen to that. i also attend a baptist church and if they put women id be out of the church faster than someone could say boo.

 

[catseye]

Cody,
I have the utmost respect for you and for what you post.
The problem is that with “message boards” we do not have an “active”
dialogue. It’s not the same as the two of us talking in person or talking
on the phone where each has a response to what the other is saying.
You may post something―and days later I respond to it. This can
lead to misunderstandings and misinterpretation.

I was “baptized” in a “Baptist” church in the “baptistery” at the front of a local
church! I don’t know everything―but that makes me about as “Baptist” as
you can get!

Since I believe that you have a keen insight, I would be interested in hearing
what prompted you to post this topic. I don’t mean posting names and events or
“dragging out the dirty laundry” of a church or organization, but what was it
that motivated you to post about “Authority” and the fact that women need to
respect and submit to men in the church?

I’ve seen women severely damaged by the oppression of men who just don’t truly
understand authority in Christ and how it is each person taking their proper place
for the glory of God. Churches in my area dictate what women wear, and even go so
far as to forbid the members from reading newspapers, listening to radio news, or
watching television. The “pastor” informs everyone of what they need to know and
it is a “sin” to go against what the pastor says is appropriate.

Can you provide clarity in this discussion and explain what was the reason for your post?
Your brother in Christ,
Jami (Catseye)

 

[Cody]

I posted this because I see many churches today taking bits and pieces of the Bible and not reading the Bible as a whole. I believe we must worship God in order and how the word of God tells us how to worship.

I see men and women as equal, but with each having different roles. I believe when these roles are put together we can have a beautiful church and also home. We need both the men and the women to obey by God's word. Men need to start stepping up for the word of God. We need men that base their life on the Bible and love their wives like the Bible tells them to. We need men to start being leaders and bring their families to church. I blame most of the trouble in churches and in the homes on men.