is this in the Word?

[ushalk]

last night i went to a penticostal church. i was raised in a penticostal church as a child and broke away from it because i felt that our appearence has nothing to do with our heart for god and i still feel that way. however i saw something that i have never seen before in this church of radical believers.

i saw some of the people shaking their head and body violently. when i saw this all i could think of is how gentle and loving the holy spirit is in me. never causing anything like this to come out of me. i did not say anything about it to anyone i just sat there in wonder of what was really going on and why they were doing that while claiming to be filled with such a gentle caring and loving spirit.

the holy spirit has brought me down to my knees before and he has brought to my face before and has even had me weeping at times. i have spoken in toungues only at the moving of the holy spirit. but i never in my life ever remember shaking my head or body violently at any movement of the holy spirit.

is this found anywhere in the word of god where anyone has done this very samething.

 

[ladylovesJesus]

The only time I can recall seeing reactions liket that were when people were being set free from demons that were inside them and they were then free.

Like you say the Holy Spirit is a gentleman.

I cannot think of any scripture where this would be except like when Jesus cast a demon out of someone.

God bless

LLJ :rainbow: :rose:

 

[ushalk]

thank you llj. i thought i was losing my mind. i have never read it any where in the word. it through me off for a minute.

 

[ladylovesJesus]

The scripture where the demon was cast out of a boy is found in Mark 9. 14-29

25 When Jesus saw that the crowd of onlookers was growing, he rebuked the evil spirit. “Listen, you spirit that makes this boy unable to hear and speak,” he said. “I command you to come out of this child and never enter him again!”

26 Then the spirit screamed and threw the boy into another violent convulsion and left him. The boy appeared to be dead. A murmur ran through the crowd as people said, “He’s dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and helped him to his feet, and he stood up.

God bless

LLJ :rainbow: :rose:

 

[ushalk]

yes i know that is in the word. i have never seen it in the word as a part of worship, repenting or anything like that though. i believe the only thing in the word that comes even close to this is in the old testiment where people tore there clothes as they repented to god for their sins. josiah did this in the book of 2 kings.

 

[Chad]

I've seen this happen at my church too. While it does not bother me, nor concern me I do think it is possibly the Holy Spirit. I would not call it "violent" shaking, at least not what I see at my local church body. I've simply seen some fall down and shake a little, or perhaps start yelling (not screaming) in tongues - in a strange yet beautiful way that is.

 

[ushalk]

i would have to see what you are talking about. what i am talking about is people twisting their heads around in circles and what we called in the 80s head banging. people raising their voices in toungues i believe is the holy spirit.

 

[Chad]

Speaking in tongues = Holy Spirit indeed.

I see this often, all the time. As far as head banging, that's very strange.

 

[ushalk]

yes speaking in toungues is only lead by the holy spirit. true toungues anyway. and the headbanging, that is exactly what i am talking about.

 

[Chosen Girl]

I also attend a Penticostal Church. I love it. Being radical and all. The whole head banging... I couldn't really tell you for sure if it was the Holy Spirit or not. I would have to be there. I know how it was when I first believed. Everything freaked me out. I took things out of context. Maybe seeing something new freaked you out and that is all you can see.

OR maybe it wasn't of God.

The only way to truely know is if you felt it ... really felt it wasn't of God. The Holy Spirit will warn you, guide you, and whisper things to you. Listen to Him and what He has to say. He will tell you.

I have seen people run around my Church. I knew it was of God because I didn't get this creepy feeling... but I went to another church and saw the same thing... now that is when I got all creeped out.

I also saw someone twirl their head around before. When you become truely filled with the spirit... sometimes you do things that others find strange but the Lord delights in them.

Pray about it.

I don't mean... say a quick prayer at your desk...

I mean... get on your knees... in a private place, and pray. Ask God for that decernment.

We really can't tell you if it was or not... unless we were there.

I hope I helped a little... at least.

 

[evangeline]

Head Banging?

I'm wondering...did it look like how some Jewish people pray? Some really devout Jewish people real stoop up and down with their heads (excessive bobbing I guess you could call it) especially when they are reading or reciting the scriptures.


evangeline

 

[Cody]

I believe we need to worship God in an orderly way. We need to be listening to the preacher preach God's word in full attention. I believe in saying Amen, Praise God, etc, but it comes to a point where you can't understand the preacher when people are doing whatever they are doing. I also believe Paul explained to us how to properly speak in tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:40
"Let all things be done decently and in order." KJV

 

[Chosen Girl]

Yes, devine order is nessesary but there is a difference between "Godly" order and "Legalistic" order. No, people should not be shouting and screaming during a sermon. That's just plain rude but if there is an out pouring of the spirit... an alter call... people praying for someone or something, worshipping, and the like... then I see nothing wrong with it.

I love seeing the Holy Spirit move. Woo! Love it!!

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Speaking in tongues = Holy Spirit indeed.

I see this often, all the time. As far as head banging, that's very strange.

Talking in tongues?

I'm not so sure about this. How does one know if they are faking it or not?

And have you ever talked in tongues yourself?

 

[Chad]

Talking in tongues?

I'm not so sure about this. How does one know if they are faking it or not?

And have you ever talked in tongues yourself?

Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit. I'm talking about that, not hypocrites or fakers pretending to speak in tongues. Whoever would fake it is nothing short of a fool in the first place. The Holy Spirit gives the gift of interpretation (of tongues) to another member of the body as well.

1 Corinthians 14:5-12

5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

Tongues Must Be Interpreted

6 But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you unless I speak to you either by revelation, by knowledge, by prophesying, or by teaching? 7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played? 8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare for battle? 9 So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance. 11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me. 12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.

 

[ushalk]

it is not for us to know who is faking it or not. that is between them and god. however this also applies to this thread that i started. the lord has opened my eyes not to go back to that particular church. but on the same token my worship is my worship and their worship is theirs. my attention should not have been on what others were doing in their worship. rather it should have been on how the holy spirit was moving in me to worship.

chosen girl, thank you for the advice to pray. i love your post it is very enlightening.

cody20- i believe in doing thingd in an orderly manner. however i do not consider a man standing there telling us that what to do and when to do it. the bible states to raise holy hands fall on our faces or knees to praise his name it says to dance before the lord and make a joyful sound to the lord. lift up our heads hands and voices to the lord.

 

[Ronda]

good post - one addition every time the bible says to raise holy hands, it is in reference to prayer - this is always a good choice

 

[faithworks]

Yes we are to raise Holy hands it took me awhile till the Lord showed me my hands (my life must be Holy as He is Holy.)
Also I hear the word wordship mentioned on this thread. To me wordship means my service to the Lord that is the way I wordship Him, God Almighty. I ask myself what can I do for Him, what has He told me to do and then I must do it, obedience is wordship to me.

In His service,
debbi

Yes, how one praises the Lord is between them and the Lord. Yes I was once in a spirt-filled tent meeting and the spirt moved freely and their was never any chaos or disorder. God is not the author of confusion in His body, He is the author of confusion in the world.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

last night i went to a penticostal church. i was raised in a penticostal church as a child and broke away from it because i felt that our appearence has nothing to do with our heart for god and i still feel that way. however i saw something that i have never seen before in this church of radical believers.

i saw some of the people shaking their head and body violently. when i saw this all i could think of is how gentle and loving the holy spirit is in me. never causing anything like this to come out of me. i did not say anything about it to anyone i just sat there in wonder of what was really going on and why they were doing that while claiming to be filled with such a gentle caring and loving spirit.

the holy spirit has brought me down to my knees before and he has brought to my face before and has even had me weeping at times. i have spoken in toungues only at the moving of the holy spirit. but i never in my life ever remember shaking my head or body violently at any movement of the holy spirit.

is this found anywhere in the word of god where anyone has done this very samething.

I don't claim to be well read on this subject, but there used to be a sect called the "Shakers" who, I think, engaged in the very gyrations you speak of. They had a community called "Shakertown" in my state (Central Kentucky, I believe), which is now a tourist attraction.

Their sect died out because they practiced celibacy and could not recruit enough new people to keep their organization viable.


SLE

 

[ushalk]

rhonda- thank you so much for your input. i will be doing some great soul searching.


faithworks- you are right in what you wrote and i thank you for sharing this with us. worship is infact anything and everything we do in our life. and each of us are lead by the same spirit but for many different things through the body and in the spirit. thank you for sharing.


spiritleded- i have never heard of those people that you speak of. i do find it interesting though. celibacy should be practiced until marriage. did they beleive in marriage or baring children or anything of that sort. that could be why they died out i guess.