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Mike

“I think your right that Jesus wants to be our friend and our brother, but He also wants to be our King and Lord. And He tells us that He wants us to serve as well. So shouldnt it be both, a relationship with religion?”

No! To submit to the will of God under Jesus, is to submit to God and God is not a religion. To submit to a religion is blind faith. And Faith in Christ, is not blind, for Jesus is our Faith and He is the Light and Lights the Way in the Spirit and that is not blind. For He is a Lamp to our footsteps.

It has been my experience that he who insists on other to submit to there religion, seeks to deceive. He who points to Jesus and insists that others should follow Him (Jesus) seeks the Truth ,the Life and the Way, for himself and others.
 
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Brother Mike,

Religion is nothing, not important. Relationship is. Relationship with Jesus is simply acknowledging who Jesus is [Son of GOD], praying in His name and being sincere with GOD. Prayer is actually conversation with GOD, in Jesus' name. Religion and tradition are not necessarily the same things. Religions have their traditions, but it does not mean that religion itself is good when holding it up to the Scripture you quoted.

GOD just wants to have a relationship with us, plain and simple as that. He does not care for us to do anything (generally speaking that is) but come as we are. He does not care for us to be fancy, religious, traditional, etc.

You know, when GOD created this world He did so because He wanted a family. That's actually a logic thing for one to figure out anyway. Therefore, relationship in family is important as we all know. Do families need 'religion' to love each other and have a relationship? No. Just pure love.

Hello Chad,

I guess this is your site so you must be real knowledgable in the word of God, so thank you for sharing your wisdom. I dont deny God wants us to be in a relationship with Him, that is the most important thing. I just am not convinced when my friends tell me that just reading the Bible is enough or that is the only way God speaks to us. They say I have idols because of my pictures and stuff, but I only think about God when I look at them. But they have there familys who take up most of there time and when they are with them they dont think about God all the time. So I dont understand how that is not an idol. And if the Bible is enough why does it say:

John20;30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

John21;25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

And if this means what I think it does, How do we learn about these other things?

Thank you for your help..
Peace...

Mike

“I think your right that Jesus wants to be our friend and our brother, but He also wants to be our King and Lord. And He tells us that He wants us to serve as well. So shouldnt it be both, a relationship with religion?”

No! To submit to the will of God under Jesus, is to submit to God and God is not a religion. To submit to a religion is blind faith. And Faith in Christ, is not blind, for Jesus is our Faith and He is the Light and Lights the Way in the Spirit and that is not blind. For He is a Lamp to our footsteps.

It has been my experience that he who insists on other to submit to there religion, seeks to deceive. He who points to Jesus and insists that others should follow Him (Jesus) seeks the Truth ,the Life and the Way, for himself and others.

Thank you, can I ask without offending you, if this is just your opinion of the word or do you have scripture that confirms this. Forgive me , Its not that I dont trust you, but I dont know you and everyone says they are led by the Spirit but there is so many different opinions. Thats why I gave you scripture about serving so you can see why I say these things. Im not saying Im right but please show me with scripture that I am wrong. Again please dont be offended..

I say this because souls who dont use religion and tradition tend to have differences because they dont really have any foundation to what they teach. I seen so many freinds of mine just change from denomination to denomination just because they didnt like this or that. They are always saying the bible says this and the other guy says well the bible says this and then there like the Holy Spirit led me yet they say the opposite thing. I dont get it.

Im sure you can understand my concern...

Peace'''
 
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If GOD does not include something in the bible, that means we do not need to know "it" now, unless the Holy Spirit chooses to reveal this to us for whichever perfect reason GOD has in mind.

God speaks to us in various ways:

- the Word (bible)
- prayer
- Holy Spirit (impression on our heart, which is what people mean when they say "God spoke to me...")
- speaks through other believers to us
- occasionally an audible voice
- emotions and thoughts

For some reason I'm thinking there is a few other common methods, just cannot remember them off the top of my head. However, the ones I mentioned are the obvious common ways God speaks to us.
 
If GOD does not include something in the bible, that means we do not need to know "it" now, unless the Holy Spirit chooses to reveal this to us for whichever perfect reason GOD has in mind.

God speaks to us in various ways:

- the Word (bible)
- prayer
- Holy Spirit (impression on our heart, which is what people mean when they say "God spoke to me...")
- speaks through other believers to us
- occasionally an audible voice
- emotions and thoughts

For some reason I'm thinking there is a few other common methods, just cannot remember them off the top of my head. However, the ones I mentioned are the obvious common ways God speaks to us.

Thank You again Chad,

you said:
"If GOD does not include something in the bible, that means we do not need to know "it" now, unless the Holy Spirit chooses to reveal this to us for whichever perfect reason GOD has in mind."

You listed some good points on how God speaks to us and I think I agree with all of those methods. I also think God can and does use other methods as well. We see in the bible He used angels and even some of the souls who have already passed over to the next life. I also beleive He can use other writings as well. Wouldnt you agree? I read many books now that God has given me some wisdom Im able to understand most of them. And when I read these things like even other opinions I always pray for guidence before and then I trust that Jesus will keep me in His will. But my friends tell me I shouldnt read these books, Like autobiography's about the lives of different Saints and writtings by the authors of the Bible that arent in the Bible. I dont understand this, wasnt the whole bible written from oral interpertation's from the Holy Ghost or what Jesus said orally. I mean I dont ever remember Jesus himself writing anything down himself. I think even the ten commandments were given by God to Moses orally.

If "What is written" refers to scripture, it certainly could point to the Old testament because the New Testament wasnt written or at the very least determined until 397ad....

I dont know if what I am writing is making any sense to you. I hope you can see my point that I beleive God is in everything and there really isnt no evil. I say this because evil is defined as man leaving God, but God never leaves man, so is there really evil? Because God is in everything and God is not evil.
We are also told God is the creator of all and everything is created for God, so this tells me that God uses everything for us and we should use everything to help us, whether its bad or good its all a blessing if used under the guidence of the Holy Ghost....

Thank You again Brother for sharing your wisdom from God, Like you said earlier God uses others to speak to us and I pray He will continue to use you to speak to me....

Peace''''
 
Disciple Mike,

greetings, and peace to you, too.

Let the peace of God which passes understanding rule and guide your heart and mind.....let it....a two edged sword....suggestion, for your own good...and command, do it! In Jesus Christ the Lord.

Brother, You are welcome to my house any time...don't bring your pictures, etc. though ! There's no room in our house left for them....it's already full of messages and scriptures so anyone who steps in the door (actually before they even get to the door) get's totally surrounded by the Word.
If you've got room, put up more...and don't worry about what others say. Enjoy your freedom....there are very many who long to hold if only for a minute, one verse of Scripture, and risk everything to do so if they have opportunity. Bless you brother. And go to chuch and fellowship meetings as often as you want....don't let others put you off ! If it's not for them , so be it.
I'll be getting on to some of your questions during the next few hours, my friend. For now, let His peace surround you.

Bless you,

Br. Bear.
 
Greetings Disciple Mike,

hope you are well....that all is well with your soul.

Brother, everything Jesus spoke was from the 'Old Testament' and to those He spoke to, He spoke what was written, even on the cross He opened
Psalm 22 , and those who knew the Scriptures...High Priests, Scribes, Lawyers (men who were experts in the Law) knew exactly what He meant.

Paul was a learned man, as he points out to the rulers, and men like him grew up with constant recital of the Scriptures, and he reinforced the spirit of the Scriptures to the congregations, just as Jesus opened up the life in the Word to the many who sought after Him, and not only in word, but in power, doing good. The Word is alive. It had been hidden by the very men who were meant to minister life to the people. The sternest words that Jesus spoke were directed at and to the men who knew better, had they not hardened their hearts.

I hope I put your mind to rest about your buddies who knock you for your love of Christ. I remember when I had scriptures written on my car (Kombi) and tracts in every spare pocket and place, with Jesus music always playing, and everything I spoke was Jesus...and I am not ashamed of Him...so, my brother, if it's in you and you do it, for Jesus who you love, well praise the Lord even more!
Back before Jesus was born, the Temple had become the focus of worship. God had become a hindrance to the idol that had been set up in their hearts. AD 70 saw the Temple totally flattened.....to this day. Unfortunately (?) the Scriptures have been veiled over and again....and bit by bit folks are giving testimonies of what the Lord has done for them and others...and many of these testimonies are in book form. I personally have read so many wonderful things about the Lord in auto-biographies and for some time that was my side-salad to my main meal, meaning that my main dish was the Bible, and books about the lives of Christians was the side dish. I lived many miles from anywhere particular, no TV, radio, etc. and little fellowship, and I was sustained by these writings.

I hope this helps you with your questions, Disciple Mike.

Bless you,

Br. Bear
 
Greetings Disciple Mike,

hope you are well....that all is well with your soul.

Brother, everything Jesus spoke was from the 'Old Testament' and to those He spoke to, He spoke what was written, even on the cross He opened
Psalm 22 , and those who knew the Scriptures...High Priests, Scribes, Lawyers (men who were experts in the Law) knew exactly what He meant.

Paul was a learned man, as he points out to the rulers, and men like him grew up with constant recital of the Scriptures, and he reinforced the spirit of the Scriptures to the congregations, just as Jesus opened up the life in the Word to the many who sought after Him, and not only in word, but in power, doing good. The Word is alive. It had been hidden by the very men who were meant to minister life to the people. The sternest words that Jesus spoke were directed at and to the men who knew better, had they not hardened their hearts.

I hope I put your mind to rest about your buddies who knock you for your love of Christ. I remember when I had scriptures written on my car (Kombi) and tracts in every spare pocket and place, with Jesus music always playing, and everything I spoke was Jesus...and I am not ashamed of Him...so, my brother, if it's in you and you do it, for Jesus who you love, well praise the Lord even more!
Back before Jesus was born, the Temple had become the focus of worship. God had become a hindrance to the idol that had been set up in their hearts. AD 70 saw the Temple totally flattened.....to this day. Unfortunately (?) the Scriptures have been veiled over and again....and bit by bit folks are giving testimonies of what the Lord has done for them and others...and many of these testimonies are in book form. I personally have read so many wonderful things about the Lord in auto-biographies and for some time that was my side-salad to my main meal, meaning that my main dish was the Bible, and books about the lives of Christians was the side dish. I lived many miles from anywhere particular, no TV, radio, etc. and little fellowship, and I was sustained by these writings.

I hope this helps you with your questions, Disciple Mike.

Bless you,

Br. Bear

Thanks Bro,

You said:
"I hope I put your mind to rest about your buddies who knock you for your love of Christ."

I expect that from my unbeleiving friends, but to have so many of my Brothers and sisters in the Lord knock me because I went from being a protestant to a catholic doesnt make any sense to me. Why do they say Im not a christian anymore and Im an anti-christ for worshiping catholic. God brought me through so many different denominations and I shared and grew in all of them. I dont knock any of them. There all different parts within the same body. But so are the catholics. I see growth everyday in my Life, I see fruit in my life, so why do others within the same body attack me now that I am catholic? When I was an evangelist protestant they were always agreeing with me, but now they say all this bad stuff about me and the Lords Children(Like the saints and stuff)..

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom with me..
Peace...
 
Thanks for the opportunity Mike, you just might be right.

This is all that I can find in the NT KJV with the word “religion” 6 in all.

Acts 13:
42: And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43: Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44: And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45: But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Now it doesn’t say that the religious where contradicting and blaspheming, but it is obvious that it was the Jews’ religion that was used to do so. Nor is religion shown in a good light in the Bible mind you.





Act:26
4: My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews;
5: Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
6: And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers:
7: Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.

Note that in the context of religion by which Paul excelled, he is accused. Once again, nor is religion shown in a good light in the Bible mind you.




10: For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11: But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12: For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13: For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
14: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
15: But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16: To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:

Note that in verse 11 “that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.” religion is of men.
Also that he says “Jews’ religion” and never mentions the Gospel as a religion it seems to me he separates the two. As a matter of fact, could some one show me where it says that the Gospel is a religion. And once again religion is not shown in a good light, in the Bible mind you.



Jms:1:26: If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Jms:1:27: Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Nor does it say here that the Gospel is a religion. If you really look at it, it is very possible that unless you are a Mother Teresa who toke a vow of abject poverty and toke no pleasure of things for herself, it might be wise to not go there. I would rather be one that does not turn away the needy and not proclaim myself as righteous for it. I believe one would be in better standing with God and men. For there is warring in verse 26.
Also there are organizations who help the afflicted that are not a religion and some of them do upright work. And they have no need of religion to accomplish that.
I apologize if I seem to be coming across on the stern side. But I am dealing with this up front an personal at this time.

This is all that I can find in the NT KJV with the word “tradition” 13 in all.

Mt:15:2: Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Mt:15:3: But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Mt:15:6: And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Mk:7:3: For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Mk:7:5: Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
Mk:7:8: For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mk:7:9: And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mk:7:13: Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Gal:1:14: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Col:2:8: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
1Pt:1:18: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

Lets see here, 11 of 13 verses do not show tradition in a good light, interesting. If one would notice, most of the 11 make reference to tradition getting in the way of the message of Truth. Imagine that, oh no you don’t have to, there it is in scripture.




2Thes:2:

13: But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15: Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16: Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17: Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

Now to what tradition is referred to here? Could it be “stand fast”? In what? Could it be “salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”?



2Thes:3:

6: Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
7: For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
8: Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
9: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
10: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
11: For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
12: Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
13: But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
14: And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
15: Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
16: Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord be with you all.
17: The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.
18: The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Now what tradition could be referred to here?
“Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:” and in verse 12 that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

It is common knowledge that Paul worked in different trades to maintain himself and not be a burden to the ministry. I wonder if that was what he was getting at. I mean feed yourself and proved yourself as in trusting that the Lord give you of your needs.

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The Lord my God is my justification, not religion, He says I live, therefore I Live by His Word, my Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ. Tho to kneel before God in honor, respect, and humiliation for the Love of God is good. The Lord will never turn away ones Love for Him. but the Lord Jesus does not seek those who bow to a religion, He seeks those who would stand by Him, as He stands by us in Spirit, and in Truth.
 
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Dp Martin,

That was some good stuff. I deffently saw some things I havent before. I think you touched on something pretty interesting about when the Word condems religion. It seem to me it is always refering to the Jewish religion or Jewish traditions. Do you see anywere were it says against the Christian religion? I know it says of men, but the bible is also very clear when it says we are to follow the apostles traditions( which are of men). But we know the bible doesnt contridict itself, so why the difference? I think it means that we should stay grounded in the earlier teaching's of the church and not get away from the original teaching's of the Church. In other words know our roots... But that is just my opinion.

I know you put alot of stuff up there, so maybe I missed some things, I will read it again later. Thanks Though...

Peace...
 
Thanks Bro,

You said:
"I hope I put your mind to rest about your buddies who knock you for your love of Christ."

I expect that from my unbeleiving friends, but to have so many of my Brothers and sisters in the Lord knock me because I went from being a protestant to a catholic doesnt make any sense to me. Why do they say Im not a christian anymore and Im an anti-christ for worshiping catholic. God brought me through so many different denominations and I shared and grew in all of them. I dont knock any of them. There all different parts within the same body. But so are the catholics. I see growth everyday in my Life, I see fruit in my life, so why do others within the same body attack me now that I am catholic? When I was an evangelist protestant they were always agreeing with me, but now they say all this bad stuff about me and the Lords Children(Like the saints and stuff)..

Thanks again for sharing your wisdom with me..
Peace...



Not sure why you chose to go to "catholic". Jesus is the one and only in the one and only Holy Bible. Not the mormon bible, not the JW bible, not the Catechism, just the sole Holy Bible.

Please consider reading this thread
http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-chat/5886-christian-catholic.html

You can respond to that thread about that subject

What is very important is to refrain from any "denominations" and abstain to the truth alone as told by the Holy Spirit Himself through the Word. There is no reason to need denominations, nor any reason to bash them, but the thread I mentioned shows you the false teachings of the catholic "church"
 
Mike, where does it say “Christian religion” in the bible? Where does it say that the Kingdom of God and or the Gospel is or should be a religion? How can the Creator of all things be a religion?
Where does it say that Jesus is a, or is a new religion replacing the Jews’ religion? I can’t find that anywhere. Show me that scripture.

I mean I don’t know you, why should I trust what you say without scripture.
 
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Chad,

Wow.. Chad.. I just started going through that thread and I must be honest, I know you are the owner of this site so I respect you and dont want to say anything to offend you, but that was very hurtful for me to read. I can understand people not agreeing with the catholic churches veiws on everything but to say that there not even a christian or to make comments like repent from the church hurts me.

You asked me why I became catholic, well I dont do anything on my own. I dont become anything. I wait an pray for my Fathers will to bring me to were it is He wants me then I trust that His will( The Holy Ghost) guides me in accord to His purpose. Well to answer your question I was drawn into the catholic church through a very strong vision. I was told the night before that a friend would come with a request to go and see a certian priest and I asked my friend if I could describe that priest and I described him to my friend and my friend said that is exactly what he looked like, so I went to see if this priest was the one in my vision after praying I set an appointment with Him and told God I didnt know why I was going but I would trust him and be obedient and go. When I went to see the priest I walked into the church and took one step and then fell to my knees. I felt my heart melt, I went into extacy and felt like a traveling salesman that was on the road for years and finally was home. Then after a few minutes I went to find the priest and I saw him coming down the hall and I was in shock because He was exactly the priest I seen in my vision.

I will say this I have not read the catachism, nor have I been through Rcc classes. I did study this when I was a child and was raised catholic until I was about 13 but honestly I dont remember much of it. So any knowledge I got about the catholic church is what I received through prayer and scripture and biographies of the saints and writting of the authors of the bible that are not in the bible. All of these things I read I pray over and ask to be sealed in my Fathers will. When I pray on these "other things that are not written" That the bible say there are, I am led to beleive they are tools in our Lords hand. Just like a skilled carpenter, in order for a carpenter to perform his craft he uses tools to perfect his trade, and even though he uses these tools that doesnt take anything away from his talent, it just helps him perfect it.

I dont understand How it is christ-like to bash our brothers and sisters. That is not Gods word or His will that we act this way. Doesnt God judge the heart and the intensions of His children?

Peace and Love, the way of the Lord.....

P.S. I have done alot of studying on the catholic Churches doctrine and if you have any question about something specific I can try to show you in scripture were I see it. I dont claim to know all of there beliefs Im still learning with everyday and every breath....
 
Chad,

Wow.. Chad.. I just started going through that thread and I must be honest, I know you are the owner of this site so I respect you and dont want to say anything to offend you, but that was very hurtful for me to read. I can understand people not agreeing with the catholic churches veiws on everything but to say that there not even a christian or to make comments like repent from the church hurts me.

You asked me why I became catholic, well I dont do anything on my own. I dont become anything. I wait an pray for my Fathers will to bring me to were it is He wants me then I trust that His will( The Holy Ghost) guides me in accord to His purpose. Well to answer your question I was drawn into the catholic church through a very strong vision. I was told the night before that a friend would come with a request to go and see a certian priest and I asked my friend if I could describe that priest and I described him to my friend and my friend said that is exactly what he looked like, so I went to see if this priest was the one in my vision after praying I set an appointment with Him and told God I didnt know why I was going but I would trust him and be obedient and go. When I went to see the priest I walked into the church and took one step and then fell to my knees. I felt my heart melt, I went into extacy and felt like a traveling salesman that was on the road for years and finally was home. Then after a few minutes I went to find the priest and I saw him coming down the hall and I was in shock because He was exactly the priest I seen in my vision.

I will say this I have not read the catachism, nor have I been through Rcc classes. I did study this when I was a child and was raised catholic until I was about 13 but honestly I dont remember much of it. So any knowledge I got about the catholic church is what I received through prayer and scripture and biographies of the saints and writting of the authors of the bible that are not in the bible. All of these things I read I pray over and ask to be sealed in my Fathers will. When I pray on these "other things that are not written" That the bible say there are, I am led to beleive they are tools in our Lords hand. Just like a skilled carpenter, in order for a carpenter to perform his craft he uses tools to perfect his trade, and even though he uses these tools that doesnt take anything away from his talent, it just helps him perfect it.

I dont understand How it is christ-like to bash our brothers and sisters. That is not Gods word or His will that we act this way. Doesnt God judge the heart and the intensions of His children?

Peace and Love, the way of the Lord.....

P.S. I have done alot of studying on the catholic Churches doctrine and if you have any question about something specific I can try to show you in scripture were I see it. I dont claim to know all of there beliefs Im still learning with everyday and every breath....


There is no "bashing" allowed on this site, nor was there any in that thread link I gave you. If you read it very carefully, you will see so clearly the intention of that thread.

Ask yourself why your concerned about being catholic, or anyone about being any denomination more than being joyful and free in Christ alone without "religion".
 
Mike, where does it say “Christian religion” in the bible? Where does it say that the Kingdom of God and or the Gospel is or should be a religion? How can the Creator of all things be a religion?
Where does it say that Jesus is a, or is a new religion replacing the Jews’ religion? I can’t find that anywhere. Show me that scripture.

I mean I don’t know you, why should I trust what you say without scripture.

The definition of religion is to worship the creator(God)
The definition of Christian is to be Christ-Like

So when you combine them you get Christian religion= Christianity

You asked How can the creator of all things be religion, because He was the creator of religion and He is in everything...I thought that Christianity replaced Judiasm... I dont know what scripture you need to confirm this, I guess I should have said this is my opinion... Sorry...

Peace...
 
The definition of religion is to worship the creator(God)
The definition of Christian is to be Christ-Like

So when you combine them you get Christian religion= Christianity

You asked How can the creator of all things be religion, because He was the creator of religion and He is in everything...I thought that Christianity replaced Judiasm... I dont know what scripture you need to confirm this, I guess I should have said this is my opinion... Sorry...

Peace...


Opinions? No, you cannot claim what GOD says without backing it up with Scripture, then say it is your opinion. That is wrong and considered false teaching. I suggest you take a break, study more and then speak only if the Holy Spirit tells you to. Otherwise, your practically deceiving people and making up "truth" based on your own opinion. That is not allowed on Talk Jesus, not to mention rather inconsiderate to GOD Himself.

Christianity is not religion, period. It is a relationship with Christ.

From now on, no opinions when speaking about Scripture. Truth is not debatable and requires no opinions about it.
 
Chad,

Im having trouble quoting your post..(not sure why)

Here is a quote from Fellowservent:
"So i will minister grace to the hearers, If you are Roman Catholic, repent of this, and draw near to God, he will also draw near to you. He will manifest himself to you, showing you the real way to salvation, by faith in Christ alone for your salvation."

Thats not bashing.

Here is a quote by coconut:
" It is time for the people of God to stop foolishly thinking it does`nt really matter what God has said. If you have friends in the RCC, tell them the truth.
It all comes down to what the Word of God says, and His Word says we cannot hold the truth and take part in unrighteousness. "

These comments are hurtful to the catholics who dont take part in unrighteousness. There are alot of other ones that mis quoted scripture to defend there stance and others who flat out lied or at the very least mis-leading people with a false teaching...

Im not here to fight with others, Im here to learn and share what I have learned. I preach unity and beleive we are all one body in Christ. I just dont think God would condone putting our brothers down even if they are wrong. I think there is a way to share in love without getting all negitive...

Just my opinion
Peace...
 
Chad,

Im having trouble quoting your post..(not sure why)

Here is a quote from Fellowservent:
"So i will minister grace to the hearers, If you are Roman Catholic, repent of this, and draw near to God, he will also draw near to you. He will manifest himself to you, showing you the real way to salvation, by faith in Christ alone for your salvation."

Thats not bashing.

Here is a quote by coconut:
" It is time for the people of God to stop foolishly thinking it does`nt really matter what God has said. If you have friends in the RCC, tell them the truth.
It all comes down to what the Word of God says, and His Word says we cannot hold the truth and take part in unrighteousness. "

These comments are hurtful to the catholics who dont take part in unrighteousness. There are alot of other ones that mis quoted scripture to defend there stance and others who flat out lied or at the very least mis-leading people with a false teaching...

Im not here to fight with others, Im here to learn and share what I have learned. I preach unity and beleive we are all one body in Christ. I just dont think God would condone putting our brothers down even if they are wrong. I think there is a way to share in love without getting all negitive...

Just my opinion
Peace...

You quoted Fellowservant and Coconut.... and you say

"I just dont think God would condone putting our brothers down even if they are wrong."

Well, receive the truth they/we speak to you in love. This is not bashing. It becomes a problem if you receive it negatively and it is a catholic's problem that they are more concerned about being catholic and refusing the truth given to them. Now how do you think Jesus feels when He sees this? Is He not hurt that people listen to man and their religious traditions instead of listening to Him and His Word through His Spirit? After all the pain Jesus went through, you or any catholic is more concerned about calling yourself catholic and blaming others for being hurtful?

The burden is brought onto oneself by their own free will, no one else.

I will pray for you and hope that the Holy Spirit will open your eyes and ears completely. You misunderstood the thread I mentioned to you as well. Its a sign that you did not carefully read but jumped to conclusions based on your own emotions instead of the Truth from GOD.

To quote from that thread:

This thread is out of love for the lost souls and respect, obedience to the Living Word of GOD which all believers understand to be infallible.

God bless you
 
Chad,,

Again Im not here to argue, sorry you dont understand. Im here to squash the false teachings which are based off false understandings. I was part of many denominations and part of one of the biggest denomination the Non-denominational. We are all part of the body and Christianity is just not a lifestyle its also a religion.

You said:
"Christianity is not religion, period. It is a relationship with Christ."

The statement I made was based off what the dictionary says, thats not what I meant when I said it was my opinion. My opinion was how it was derived. But the fact remains that is what Christianity means:


Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
Chris·ti·an·i·ty /ˌkrɪstʃiˈænɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kris-chee-an-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1. the Christian religion, including the Catholic, Protestant, and Eastern Orthodox churches.
2. Christian beliefs or practices; Christian quality or character: Christianity mixed with pagan elements; the Christianity of Augustine's thought.
3. a particular Christian religious system: She followed fundamentalist Christianity.
4. the state of being a Christian.
5. Christendom.
6. conformity to the Christian religion or to its beliefs or practices.


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Chris·ti·an·i·ty (krĭs'chē-ān'ĭ-tē, krĭs'tē-) Pronunciation Key
n.
The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.
Christians as a group; Christendom.
The state or fact of being a Christian.
pl. Chris·ti·an·i·ties A particular form or sect of the Christian religion: the Christianities of antiquity.



I post this because your statement says I need to show the source to my beliefs. I also think if that is the case for me then everyone should also show scripture and or there source. I also would like to add for the most part I did show the scripture to what I beleive is truth and if I didnt in some post it was because I was continuing off a post that I did show the scripture, except the last one to Dp, sorry for that but I hope I redeemed myself with the deffinition listed above...

I would like to add I am not more worried about being catholic then being christian because they are one in the same. I am more worried about the division in the body mostly caused by sola scripture being taught because its caused many of my brothers to become blind to many truths....

I will make sure I post with scripture from now on, unless you dont want to seek truth with me, in that case I will wipe off my sandals and move on. Its your call brother. Its your house....

Peace of Christ be with you....

Ps. I think a better slogan is "Christianity is not just a religion, its also a relationship.."
 
Amen there Chad

This just came to me and it seems appropriate.

Freedom of speech is the enemy of religion, and an ally to those who preach and teach the Gospel of Jesus the Christ.
 
Dp Martin,,

I know you posted to Chad, but I questioned something you just said. I hope Im not over stepping my bounds here, if so please forgive me. I just seek truth.

you said:
"Freedom of speech is the enemy of religion, and an ally to those who preach and teach the Gospel of Jesus the Christ."

I posted the defenition of Christianinty above and its clear it is a form of religion. So when you make that statement I must question your source. Can you show me were your statement is supported in scripture or some source. Chad was clear that opinions cant be posted, so can you clarify.

Jn 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

It seems to me, this says Christianity will makes us free, dont you agree with this discernment?

Peace and Love....
 
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