Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Brightfame52]

Justification proved by the resurrection of Christ !

A Truth about the resurrection of Christ that is scarcely believed in the world today, which is that it served as an testification that all for whom Christ had died, delivered for their offences, that they had been Justified, for He was raised again for their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

This agrees with Christs Justification here 1 Tim 3:16

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

He was Justified here as the Head of the Church, His Body

As well as here Rom 1:4

4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Those He died for are Justified before God for the simple fact, His death for them rendered complete satisfaction to Divine Justice, He hath put away their sins before God Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

God hath accepted the sacrificial death of Christ, made them He died for acquitted.

Even while those He died for are in themselves enemies and ungodly, nevertheless they stand Justified, and acquitted before Gods bar of Law and Justice, anyone not believing this do deny the witness of Christs resurrection from the dead !

 

[KingJ]

You may as well, you dont believe they alone Justified them He died for duh

You keep creating a straw man. Christ’s blood alone is the basis and efficacious cause of justification. The disagreement is not over Christ’s sufficiency, but over whether Scripture teaches people are personally justified before faith. Paul repeatedly connects justification to faith (Romans 5:1; Gal. 2:16).

You dont believe that, because you believe there are people He died for that will end up condemned into hell, dont you

You are assuming limited atonement to prove limited atonement. Scripture says Christ died for the world (John 3:16), tasted death for every man (Heb. 2:9), and is the propitiation not only for our sins but also for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). Christ’s work is fully sufficient; the question is how Scripture says its benefits are applied.

Yeah it is by Faith after they were previously Justified alone by Christ death and blood, so your point is erronous

You keep redefining “justified by faith” into “informed by faith.” Paul never says faith merely reveals a justification that already existed. Romans 5:1 says, “being justified by faith,” not “being informed by faith that you were already justified.

He accomplished Justification by His Blood alone, that's what Faith receives and believes., but you dont believe that, so you dont have true Faith in Christ

No you do that, Faith is given once after a person has already been Justified by Christs blood so they can know it and believe in Christ for it.

Christ accomplished justification by His blood alone, agreed. Faith adds no merit and competes with nothing. But Scripture still presents faith as the God-ordained means by which we receive Christ and His finished work, not merely the moment we discover we were already justified. You keep treating faith as 'awareness' only; Scripture treats faith as instrumental.

 

[KingJ]

Justification proved by the resurrection of Christ !

A Truth about the resurrection of Christ that is scarcely believed in the world today, which is that it served as an testification that all for whom Christ had died, delivered for their offences, that they had been Justified, for He was raised again for their Justification Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

This agrees with Christs Justification here 1 Tim 3:16

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

He was Justified here as the Head of the Church, His Body

As well as here Rom 1:4

4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Those He died for are Justified before God for the simple fact, His death for them rendered complete satisfaction to Divine Justice, He hath put away their sins before God Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

God hath accepted the sacrificial death of Christ, made them He died for acquitted.

Even while those He died for are in themselves enemies and ungodly, nevertheless they stand Justified, and acquitted before Gods bar of Law and Justice, anyone not believing this do deny the witness of Christs resurrection from the dead !

You are again changing “justified by faith” into “made aware by faith,” but Paul never says that.

Romans 4:25 says Christ “was raised again for our justification.” Agreed. The resurrection proves Christ’s sacrifice was accepted and that justification is fully accomplished in Him. But Scripture still repeatedly says justification is received through faith (Romans 5:1; Gal. 2:16), not merely discovered after supposedly existing all along.

Your view creates people who are fully justified, acquitted, and righteous before God while simultaneously called “condemned already” (John 3:18), “children of wrath” (Eph. 2:3), and unbelieving. Scripture never presents such a category.

Christ’s resurrection testifies that Christ finished the work perfectly. It does not erase Scripture’s repeated teaching that justification is by faith.

 

[KingJ]

They are by Christs Blood Rom 5:9 which you deny

No, I deny your conclusion, not Christ’s blood. Christ’s blood is the sole grounds and efficacious cause of justification.

Romans 5:9 says we are “justified by His blood.” Agreed. But the same book also says, “being justified by faith” (Romans 5:1). Paul does not pit Christ’s blood against faith. Christ’s blood accomplished salvation; faith is the God-ordained means by which we receive it.

You keep changing “justified by faith” into “informed by faith,” but Paul never says that.

 

[KingJ]

If men are justified before God by their faith and or repentance, then they are justified by conditions, or law or works, and then so its by their merit before God they are justified in His sight.29

That does not follow. You are confusing the means of receiving salvation with the merit that earned salvation.

Scripture says we are justified by faith (Romans 5:1), but Scripture also explicitly says faith is “not of works” (Ephesians 2:8–9). Faith does not earn, merit, or contribute righteousness; Christ alone does.

Under your logic, Paul contradicts himself by saying both “justified by faith” and “not by works.” He does not. Faith is not a meritorious work; it is the God-ordained means by which we receive Christ and His finished work.

 

[Brightfame52]

Justification consists in these two properties:

#1 Remission/Forgiveness of Sins

Yes, when scripture declares that by Christ the elect have forgiveness of sins through or by His Blood as here Ep 1:7; Col 1:14 it does mean Justification. For example Col 1:14 reads

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Now in that same blood redemption Paul writes in Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption[by His Blood] that is in Christ Jesus:

and #2 it consist in the imputation of righteousness The imputation of righteousness is joined with the forgiveness of sins, as Paul points out again in Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The forgiven person is here characterized as having righteousness imputed without works ! 29

 

[Brightfame52]

You are again changing “justified by faith” into “made aware by faith,” but Paul never says that.

You are again striving against truth

 

[Brightfame52]

No, I deny your conclusion, not Christ’s blood.

No you deny Christs blood accomplishment, which is Justification Rom 5:9 If you had real Faith you would believe it.

 

[Brightfame52]

That does not follow.

Yes it does, loud and clear.

 

[KingJ]

Justification consists in these two properties:

#1 Remission/Forgiveness of Sins

Yes, when scripture declares that by Christ the elect have forgiveness of sins through or by His Blood as here Ep 1:7; Col 1:14 it does mean Justification. For example Col 1:14 reads

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Now in that same blood redemption Paul writes in Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption[by His Blood] that is in Christ Jesus:

and #2 it consist in the imputation of righteousness The imputation of righteousness is joined with the forgiveness of sins, as Paul points out again in Rom 4:6-8

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

The forgiven person is here characterized as having righteousness imputed without works ! 29

No disagreement that justification includes forgiveness of sins and imputed righteousness. The disagreement is when and how Scripture says those benefits are personally applied.

You keep citing verses about what Christ accomplished, while skipping verses explaining how justification is received: “Therefore being justified by faith” (Romans 5:1), “justified by faith without the deeds of the law” (Romans 3:28), and “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ” (Gal. 2:16).

Romans 4 actually hurts your position because Paul says righteousness is imputed to “him that believeth” (Rom. 4:5). You keep changing “justified by faith” into “made aware by faith,” but Paul never says that.

 

[KingJ]

You are again striving against truth

Calling disagreement “striving against truth” is not an argument. Show me where Paul says, “justified by faith” means “made aware by faith that you were already justified.”

Paul says, “being justified by faith” (Romans 5:1). You are adding “made aware” into the text. I am asking you to show where Scripture says it.

 

[Brightfame52]

Justification before God is objective being placed on the elect sinners account based solely upon the Suretyship obedience of Jesus Christ, then following that justification becomes subjective by God given faith before the born again sinners conscience. Its by God given faith the sinner comes into realization of their objective justification. 29

 

[Brightfame52]

No disagreement that justification includes forgiveness of sins and imputed righteousness.

Sure it is disagreement, you just paying lip service

. The disagreement is when and how Scripture says those benefits are personally applied.

Right. They were personally applied to the entire election of Grace at the Death of Christ, in legal fashion, you deny

You keep citing verses about what Christ accomplished, while skipping verses explaining how justification is received:

They were received and applied legally at the Death of Christ

“Therefore being justified by faith” (Romans 5:1),

Faith evidences to the soul that Christ Justified you, and then the soul receives inward peace.

 

[Brightfame52]

Calling disagreement “striving against truth” is not an argument.

You are striving against truth, and I have gave my argument why, so what a unlearned comment. My arguments are the very things you striving against duh

 

[KingJ]

You are striving against truth, and I have gave my argument why, so what a unlearned comment. My arguments are the very things you striving against duh

Please re-read the post and try again. You are dodging the point that was made.

 

[Brightfame52]

Please re-read the post and try again. You are dodging the point that was made.

My arguments are the very things you striving against duh