Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[KingJ]

Now even though God does Justify the elect while they are enemies, ungodly, and unbelievers Rom 4:5,, its not for that reason He justifies them, no He justifies them while they're in that wicked state because He reckons them righteous still with the Gift of imputed righteousness . See even in a wicked state God has still so graciously made Christ to be unto them 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness/Justification, and sanctification, and redemption:28

You are reading “imputed righteousness” into people while they remain unbelieving, but Paul repeatedly connects justification to faith, not merely awareness of a justification that supposedly already existed (Romans 5:1; Gal. 2:16).

Romans 4:5 says God justifies the ungodly, agreed. But it does not say He justifies the ungodly apart from faith. In fact, the same context says righteousness is imputed “to him that believeth” (Romans 4:5). You are separating justification from faith in a way Paul never does.

 

[KingJ]

Now in what sense is Justification by Faith necessary ? Its very necessary in that Faith gives Gods elect a conscience knowledge of of their Justification before God. Its similar as it was said of Johns ministry Luke 1:77

To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,28

Now in what sense is Justification by Faith necessary ? Its necessary in order to give the elect peace and joy and hope through believing Rom 15:13

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

You have changed “justified by faith” into “informed by faith that you were already justified,” but Paul does not say that.

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” (Romans 5:1). Paul presents faith as the God-ordained means through which justification is received, not merely discovered.

Under your system, people are fully justified while condemned, children of wrath, and unbelieving. Faith merely informs them of it. The apostles never present justification that way.

 

[KingJ]

Since Christs blood and righteousness actually saves, you have detracted from it by saying they are merely sufficient to save. Therefore you must contribute the efficient cause to something other than the blood and righteousness of Christ.

You are creating a false dilemma. Christ’s blood and righteousness are both completely sufficient and the sole grounds of salvation. Faith contributes no merit whatsoever.

Scripture does not present faith as an additional saving work, but as the God-ordained means by which we receive Christ and what He accomplished (Romans 5:1; Ephesians 2:8–9).

You are confusing the basis of salvation with the means of receiving it. Christ saves. Faith does not compete with Christ; faith receives Christ.

 

[KingJ]

Ive given many facts in this thread and no one has refuted them including you

Please share the facts you have provided that you feel cannot be refuted.

 

[KingJ]

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