Why does God send people to hell?

[Christ4Ever]

If you listen to what everybody says they just want to blame everything on the Catholic Church why not with the Bible on there it was Catholic monks that wrote it down. Inspired by Jesus obviously

Who actually listens to what everyone says? lol

You can't say that the Catholic Church is not without fault, and I do believe there in is the problem brother.

You yourself have been specific to the difference of Catholic/Church to catholic/universal. Trying all the while to reconcile one with the other. Never going to happen, because one has fault, in the earthly mandate, while the other in Christ Jesus, Spirit filled, is without fault.

Plus, as to the scribes, it is the Spirit of the Word and not the pages it was written on that are to affect. (2 Cor 3:3)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[KingJ]

If you listen to what everybody says they just want to blame everything on the Catholic Church why not with the Bible on there it was Catholic monks that wrote it down. Inspired by Jesus obviously

Agreed. This post compelled me to post this:

Thread 'Unity with the Catholic Church'

Sep 10, 2025

I want us to pause, to reflect not on our differences, but on the profound contributions of the Catholic Church to the Body of Christ and why it is both unwise and ungracious to find fault in those who worship Christ in a tradition different from our own.


1. The Catholic Church: A Pillar of Christian History

We must first be honest with history. The Catholic Church was the Church for over a thousand years before any major divisions occurred. The early Church fathers, men like Augustine, Jerome, Ambrose, and Gregory were Catholics. They shaped our understanding of Scripture...

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[Bill]

Who actually listens to what everyone says? lol

You can't say that the Catholic Church is not without fault, and I do believe there in is the problem brother.

You yourself have been specific to the difference of Catholic/Church to catholic/universal. Trying all the while to reconcile one with the other. Never going to happen, because one has fault, in the earthly mandate, while the other in Christ Jesus, Spirit filled, is without fault.

Plus, as to the scribes, it is the Spirit of the Word and not the pages it was written on that are to affect. (2 Cor 3:3)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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My friend. I have been pretty rough on the Catholic church I think over the years at Talk Jesus here. I believe I refer to Francis as a false Pope at one point which I still think he was. And this guy that we got in there now is no better. If you want to think about it Leo is the one that found the liberal Bishops for Francis to install around the world. Putting the Catholic church in a really precarious position.

This takes away from the real Catholics that are conservative like myself, to having to put up with this liberal BS. The same thing that you were mentioning in one of your posts about the teachings of LGBT and all that stuff.

I don't know of anyone else that is like myself. I'm not sitting on the fence in the middle as far as the Christian churches outside the Catholic church and the Catholic Church. I'm sitting on the side that is right versus what is wrong.

I say that I am right because I don't condemn everybody, not for the frivolous little matters that are in my mind unimportant. The fact that somebody calls someone else father that is so frivolous it's as bad as having service on Saturday versus Sunday. Honestly there are so many people in the world that called their dad father, even in the scripture you have a man that wants to follow Jesus and he says let me say bye to my father and mother. You Don't See Jesus coming down on that guy for calling his dad a father. Because there's a big difference between my father and your father and our father who is God. And anyone that has a such an issue about that personally I think it's just ridiculous, that people make such a fuss over such a thing. I mean why aren't you making a fuss over the word toilet because that's not in the scripture and yet you sit on it daily does that mean you're worshiping a false god because you sit on a toilet how ridiculous is that.

The Baptist have a leader of their Church, the Pentecostals have a leader of their assembly, Catholics got a leader of their church too. So what if they call him the Pope. Again frivolous just retarded stuff

Let's get into something that really has meaning, I mean let's talk about things that are serious instead of all this frivolous bologna.

Let's talk about the challenge that's going to take place in our world. When we are confronted with taking the mark of the beast or not looks really talk about this because it's some serious stuff.

Think about it no one's even bothering to talk about it because we're so caught up with the Rapture stuff. I keep trying to ask people what are you going to do about the others, the guys that don't make it. I mean they're not terrible Christians but guess what not everybody's going. So what are we doing to prepare others who knows we may be preparing ourselves because just because you think that you're going to run off and Raptor doesn't mean that this is where God wants you. Maybe God wants you to stay behind and help out everybody else. Does anybody even consider this option, that maybe God doesn't really want you or me to go?

What then? What if you're the one that God chooses to stay behind, not because you deserve to be but because God has purpose for you. Now what are you going to do you can't buy yourself can't get a job you can't do anything. And what about the others that are left behind how are you going to reach out to them are you going to say it's okay for them to take the mark of the beast when you know darn well it's not. And if you do sit there and tell others to take the mark of the beast guess what you're in just as much deep due to as they are if not worse

 

[Bill]

I know you guys love my Long conversations LOL but I'm going to have to start a thread talking about the mark of the beast and what you plan on doing if God calls you to stick around

 

[Christ4Ever]

My friend. I have been pretty rough on the Catholic church I think over the years at Talk Jesus here. I believe I refer to Francis as a false Pope at one point which I still think he was. And this guy that we got in there now is no better. If you want to think about it Leo is the one that found the liberal Bishops for Francis to install around the world. Putting the Catholic church in a really precarious position.

This takes away from the real Catholics that are conservative like myself, to having to put up with this liberal BS. The same thing that you were mentioning in one of your posts about the teachings of LGBT and all that stuff.

I don't know of anyone else that is like myself. I'm not sitting on the fence in the middle as far as the Christian churches outside the Catholic church and the Catholic Church. I'm sitting on the side that is right versus what is wrong.

I say that I am right because I don't condemn everybody, not for the frivolous little matters that are in my mind unimportant. The fact that somebody calls someone else father that is so frivolous it's as bad as having service on Saturday versus Sunday. Honestly there are so many people in the world that called their dad father, even in the scripture you have a man that wants to follow Jesus and he says let me say bye to my father and mother. You Don't See Jesus coming down on that guy for calling his dad a father. Because there's a big difference between my father and your father and our father who is God. And anyone that has a such an issue about that personally I think it's just ridiculous, that people make such a fuss over such a thing. I mean why aren't you making a fuss over the word toilet because that's not in the scripture and yet you sit on it daily does that mean you're worshiping a false god because you sit on a toilet how ridiculous is that.

The Baptist have a leader of their Church, the Pentecostals have a leader of their assembly, Catholics got a leader of their church too. So what if they call him the Pope. Again frivolous just retarded stuff

Let's get into something that really has meaning, I mean let's talk about things that are serious instead of all this frivolous bologna.

Let's talk about the challenge that's going to take place in our world. When we are confronted with taking the mark of the beast or not looks really talk about this because it's some serious stuff.

Think about it no one's even bothering to talk about it because we're so caught up with the Rapture stuff. I keep trying to ask people what are you going to do about the others, the guys that don't make it. I mean they're not terrible Christians but guess what not everybody's going. So what are we doing to prepare others who knows we may be preparing ourselves because just because you think that you're going to run off and Raptor doesn't mean that this is where God wants you. Maybe God wants you to stay behind and help out everybody else. Does anybody even consider this option, that maybe God doesn't really want you or me to go?

What then? What if you're the one that God chooses to stay behind, not because you deserve to be but because God has purpose for you. Now what are you going to do you can't buy yourself can't get a job you can't do anything. And what about the others that are left behind how are you going to reach out to them are you going to say it's okay for them to take the mark of the beast when you know darn well it's not. And if you do sit there and tell others to take the mark of the beast guess what you're in just as much deep due to as they are if not worse

Dear Brother,
I know you have been pretty much even handed when it comes to RCC in these discussions. Instead of a united Body of Christ, it seems we have become what the world is, which is competing factions of "we are right, and you are wrong", which has solved/absolved the differences we hold over each other's heads not one iota.

Still, though you have done your best to be faithful in the splitting of hairs, it still has many difficulties I'm sure on all sides to be able to get past them and to find total acceptance except as individuals, and in truth I believe as it should be. For the vehicle by which we came to belong to Christ, has less import than that we have become His! We, you, me, all believers are the church, with Jesus as the Head; not the RCC, Baptist, Pentecostals, Lutherans, and it goes on. For membership in these churches do not safe one and never will. We must remember that.

Another reason these discussions can be helpful in finding understanding, but only up to a point. They then become a fruitless back and forth that creates more animosity, then a loving unity we should have. A unity of faith, a brotherhood of belief in Jesus, which we confuse at time with a uniformity of worship which needs to be laid aside.

Why? Because that worship, is personal and though it can be congregational, likeminded, it does not necessarily have to be so, in order to be heart driven and for it to occur. For we worship God, and not a denominational practice of do's and don'ts. Yes, not all is acceptable, and in truth should be set alongside of scripture that we as imperfect recipeints of the Word of God, may be guided by the Holy Spirit to do that which is Holy and acceptable to a Holy God. To fail to use what we have been given to use, can only come to our own detriment, and benefit us less than it should.

Still, in our walk, where we attend should not be the focus to non-believers, but rather Jesus, and as Paul told the church at Corinth, Him crucified (1 Cor 2:2). So, that at least some might be saved brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[Bill]

Dear Brother,
I know you have been pretty much even handed when it comes to RCC in these discussions. Instead of a united Body of Christ, it seems we have become what the world is, which is competing factions of "we are right, and you are wrong", which has solved/absolved the differences we hold over each other's heads not one iota.

Still, though you have done your best to be faithful in the splitting of hairs, it still has many difficulties I'm sure on all sides to be able to get past them and to find total acceptance except as individuals, and in truth I believe as it should be. For the vehicle by which we came to belong to Christ, has less import than that we have become His! We, you, me, all believers are the church, with Jesus as the Head; not the RCC, Baptist, Pentecostals, Lutherans, and it goes on. For membership in these churches do not safe one and never will. We must remember that.

Another reason these discussions can be helpful in finding understanding, but only up to a point. They then become a fruitless back and forth that creates more animosity, then a loving unity we should have. A unity of faith, a brotherhood of belief in Jesus, which we confuse at time with a uniformity of worship which needs to be laid aside.

Why? Because that worship, is personal and though it can be congregational, likeminded, it does not necessarily have to be so, in order to be heart driven and for it to occur. For we worship God, and not a denominational practice of do's and don'ts. Yes, not all is acceptable, and in truth should be set alongside of scripture that we as imperfect recipeints of the Word of God, may be guided by the Holy Spirit to do that which is Holy and acceptable to a Holy God. To fail to use what we have been given to use, can only come to our own detriment, and benefit us less than it should.

Still, in our walk, where we attend should not be the focus to non-believers, but rather Jesus, and as Paul told the church at Corinth, Him crucified (1 Cor 2:2). So, that at least some might be saved brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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The peace and love of Jesus always

I want to remind you of a vision I had with the Lord speaking to me and I think it really holds the key to a lot of things.

The lord gave me this Vision the number years ago it was I saw all the churches from the youngest to the oldest and at the time the youngest was the Church of Bethel. And the Catholics were among these churches too. What the Lord said to me was that there was a lot of bickering going on back and forth among all the churches. And all the churches thought that each one of them had the niche on God. And they all kept saying to each other, I know God and you don't.
Then what the Lord said to me was, there are many many people in all of these churches that love me and I love all of them.

I think for us in this conversation it's the last line that really resonates. Where he said I love all of them. He didn't Place one above the other, he said all of them meaning the people. He didn't favor one church over another they were all equal in my vision

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Brother, @Bill
Agree!
Plus who am I to disagree with God! lol
That just goes hand-in-hand with Scripture.
Think about the conversation that Jesus had with the woman at the well. (John 4:21, 23)

Most amazing that He loves us!!!
We need to remember that we are called to be "United", not "Uniform" in our faith. We all have different levels of it, but that is not to say one is worse than another, because they that believe are "All" in Christ and He is good. \o/

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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[th1bill]

My belief is that everyone who has died is in heaven courtyard worshipping the glory from where Jesus is praised. The desperation of the sheep and goats hadn't happened yet

A person is saved by faith and that faith is a product of the record (Bible) as read by the Believer and interpreted by the Indwelling Ruah (Holy Spirit). Your proof for your statement of disbelief in scriptural teaching is?

 

[AbbysAunt]

Jeremiah 35:15 I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying " turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given you and your fathers. But, you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed me.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.



God doesn't send anyone to hell. God has over and over asked us to obey and follow Him, He wants a relationship with us, but it is us who make that choice God won't make it for us. Our souls will live on after our bodies die and it's up to us where we were will spend eternity, we will end up one of two places either in Heaven with Jesus or in hell. It's all in what we chose in the here and now that determines that. God is just carrying through with what have already chosen here in the time we have on this earth.

As we see in 2nd Peter God isn't willing that any should perish but come to repentance in and through Him. He wants us on our own to decide to be in relationship with Him, to love Him and to obey Him. He wants us to repent of our sins and take Him as Lord and Savior of our lives. He will never force Himself on us, because no one can force anyone to love them that wouldn't be real love and would only lead to resentment. The choice is totally up to us.

My question is this what will you choose? As for me and my house we have chosen God. I would encourage you not to wait to long because tomorrow isn't promised to anyone. Now is the time to make your choice and I pray you choose Jesus and His salvation.

 

[B-A-C]

I look at it this way.

God doesn't send anyone to hell.

We are all born in a train headed towards a cliff. We are all born headed towards destruction.
God didn't put there. We are born there on that train.

But some of us, God saves. Jesus takes some of us (those who are willing) off the train before to reaches the cliff.
Others, refuse to get off.

 

[hopefulson]

Here is a scary version. HARD is The Way and narrow is the road that leads to salvation and few are they that find it. I will say I hate that it is true as stated but unfortunately these words come from the author of The Truth therefore I bow to them fully and would be engaging in sinful conduct if I held them in anything less than life and death reverence.
Theology tries to disguise this issue and blur the lines that an honorable study would uncover. The best place to start is in the red letters in description of Jesus own relationship to His Father. Here are clues but I shouldn't put this subject forward as a puzzle it is a description of the perfection of a love relationship that has within no voids, full dependance total trust. There is so much here I don't have time to cover it this evening. But to those who run around saying and believing that they know Jesus they must stand themselves in this examination ( No one knows the Son but The Father and no one knows The Father but The Son and the one to whom The Son chooses to reveal Him.) In theology it can be twisted but in Faith it is perfect beauty. It is reachable only in perfect homage to the author of total Love, whose homage himself was perfect to death. Try the perspective of John 17 Jesus does nothing outside of His Father ever. The Love is complete this is a Christ follower's worship goal and our end.

 

[Jesua888]

I know you guys love my Long conversations LOL but I'm going to have to start a thread talking about the mark of the beast and what you plan on doing if God calls you to stick around

Looking forward to that : )

 

[rstrats]

Looking forward to that : )

Looking forward to sticking around?

 

[Gerbolski]

I look at it this way.

God doesn't send anyone to hell.

We are all born in a train headed towards a cliff. We are all born headed towards destruction.
God didn't put there. We are born there on that train.

But some of us, God saves. Jesus takes some of us (those who are willing) off the train before to reaches the cliff.
Others, refuse to get off.

This actually reminds me of a song, that is called "I just got off of the devil's train, and I'm not looking back".

When we get saved of course, we get off of that train, that leads to hell..

 

[rstrats]

".

When we get saved of course, we get off of that train, that leads to hell..

And who casts the people who are on the train into the lake of fire?

 

[Gerbolski]

And who casts the people who are on the train into the lake of fire?

It is on the side, that we choose whom we shall serve, which either get's us to Heaven or Hell.

It is on this side that we repent or not.

And right now, if people have not received God's salvation, they go to hell, but one day there will be the judgment day.

Rev 20:12-15
(12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

People here, in Revelations get judged, as a result of their decisions they have done on earth (receive Christ or not), and based on those decisions, (which this great white throne of judgment is for unbelievers), they will be judged.

Everyone that comes before God at the great white throne of judgment, which will be unbelievers, will get sort of speak, their court date, and God will look in the book, and because their name will not be found, they will be cast into the lake of fire, yes through God's judgment.

On God's part, he has to proclaim justice, but his justice gets shown as a result of the decisions of man.

 

[rstrats]

Rev 20:12-15
(12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
(15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

But the question was, who does the actual casting of the folks who aren't found written in the book of life into the lake of fire?

BTW, any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?

 

[B-A-C]

And who casts the people who are on the train into the lake of fire?

No one, thats the trains destination, all you have to do is... nothing, just stay on the train.

 

[Gerbolski]

But the question was, who does the actual casting of the folks who aren't found written in the book of life into the lake of fire?

BTW, any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?

Concerning the Revelations thing with an "s", I have not given any particular thought to that, so it would be a spelling mistake.

 

[Christ4Ever]

But the question was, who does the actual casting of the folks who aren't found written in the book of life into the lake of fire?

BTW, any particular reason for adding an "s" at the end of Revelation?

God alone has the authority to judge and cast the unrepentant into Hell as an act of perfect justice. People are not sent there by Satan, demons, or human authority—but by the righteous judgment of God.

Matthew 25:41 - "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

John 3:18 - "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 20:15 - And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Won't you say it's less important the who, than it is by whose authority and why it happens?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Nick
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