What do people pretend is in the Bible but is absolutely not in the Bible?

[Garee]

My friend, I do not know where you've gotten all this stuff from but it's all off base. It's not even scriptural. I mean I tried to follow what you wrote and it was like out in outer space, I was wondering if maybe you were smoking marijuana when you wrote it.

At least smoking marijuana would have been a good excuse for why it was so far out in the first place.

You wrote, and im quoting "God when speaking in parables in order to hide the spiritual understanding from the god of this world. He has no idea who the Son of man is."

First of all the devil is not a god. Nothing more than a fallen created angel. Secondly God has no need to hide anything from Lucifer (the Fallen Angel)

When I look at the scripture and I see that there is more than one meaning to it, I don't look at it as if God is hiding something, I look at it as at the time when I first read it that's what I could understand and later on when I've grown up more in the Lord then I read it again and it has more meaning to it. This is one I understand a deeper understanding of the same scripture. It has nothing to do with God hiding anything it's more like we need to learn to discover understanding the word of God.

Again I'm responding to your quote here "In Mathew 16 the devil thought Peter was the son of man the chosen one of the Holy Father and gave Perter words of false prophecy rebuking the Holy Father and forbidding the Son of man from doing his Holy Father's good will. he was forgiven of his blasphemy against the son of man the temporal fleshly seed"

This is a completely false teaching. The devil never thought that Peter was a Son of God (Son of Man). The son of man is a statement that Jesus referred to himself as, it has to do with Hebrew teaching.
The part where you said " and gave Peter words of false prophecy rebuking the Holy Father and forbidding the son of man from doing his holy father's Good will." This makes absolutely no sense at all.

Ok this quote, "The father of lies is not subject to salvation One big guessing wish upon a star game to him"
Seriously where did this come from. It's just nuts. Lucifer when he chose to go against God he was cast out of heaven. You're right to say that he's not subject to Salvation in the manner that we receive salvation from Jesus. Because he was created by God and was with God in the beginning, he already was in the presence of God. But he chose to toss it away, he chose to go against God and that was it.

Ok this quote "Christ in the believer as Emanuel uses name words to aid in his hidden teaching. Beginning with Adam and Eve."

Again my friend, I don't know where you're getting the stuff from but you need to throw it under the bus. Stick a piece of dynamite on it and blow it up because it's garbage.

Brother, i will pray for you. Someone is feeding you some really bad teaching

Hi Thanks for the reply

I fell in love with parables when I first opened my Bible. The more I studied the less confusing. Rock and hills became kingdoms with power . ceremonial laws as shadows became food for ones new born again soul .withotu parables

My focus is on the unseen spiritual eternal things. I take the word "without" as literal. . . without the signified tongue of prophecy or parable Christ spoke not even once.

The word "without" would first have to be made to effect .

Matthew 13:34All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Mark 4:11And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parablesmysteries of faith)

What would rightfully dividing parable which without Christ spoke not even once have to do with smoking marijuana?

I dont self medicate if that is what you think. It seems you are confused to why he freely gave the prescription to rightly divide mixing the temporal historical with the unseen eternal things of Christ 'faith.

Can we discard the mixing prescription below and focus on the historical temporal alone?

2 Corinthians 4:18; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Remember the god of this world not subject to sola scriptura. He has no spiritually understanding the devil is limited to what the eyes see the temporal historical

I have used before Luke 9 and mark 9 a whole series of parable to help understanding why Christ spoke in parables and without he spoke not .

Most from my experience do not even acknowledge a parable is in view as if it was taboo to try and rightly divide . Putting more trust in the lying signs that cause men to wonder dreams out of body experiences as if God was still bringing new revelations.

What's the fear in interpreting the hidden wisdom ?

On one occasion in a parable hiding the gospel from the father of lies one right after another. The apostles observed Jesus the Son of man thinking he was going to the Jew was looking towards Jerusalem. Not understanding the parable Jesus led by the father went to the gentiles in order to define the gospel .

The apostles having no faith that could please the Holy Father demanded the Holy Father to bring down fire and consume the gentiles therefore fulfilling the pagan foundation "out of sight out of mind"

Luke 9:51-55And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,;And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.;And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?;

if not viewed as a parable then the rebuke is applied

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what( temporal" manner of spirit ye are of.

Those that study the historic temporal alone without the spirit eternal could be the ones self medicating.

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[Christ4Ever]

Dear @Garee
TO THE MULTITUDE.
WHO WAS THE MULTITUDE HE WAS SPEAKING OF?
DID HE SPEAK IN PARABLES TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT OF THE MULTITUDE?

The way you say this "Christ spoke in parables and without he spoke not ." is as if you are reciting a mantra. Repeatedly whether it fits in context of scripture or not. To the point where it loses its meaning of what our Lord intended to communicate and becomes whatever "you" want it to mean. Which is more in line with Eastern Religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, types of mysticism.

Grabbing one verse after another like you do with 2 Corinthians 4:18 to identify everything in total, without the context is to create your own doctrine of belief/faith. This is what cults do. Which is distorting any understanding of the original usage of said verse. No different than what Satan did in the Temptation of Christ Jesus in the desert when he quoted scripture outside of its intended use.

You need to stop doing that.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Garee]

Dear @Garee
TO THE MULTITUDE.
WHO WAS THE MULTITUDE HE WAS SPEAKING OF?
DID HE SPEAK IN PARABLES TO THOSE WHO WERE NOT OF THE MULTITUDE?

The way you say this "Christ spoke in parables and without he spoke not ." is as if you are reciting a mantra. Repeatedly whether it fits in context of scripture or not. To the point where it loses its meaning of what our Lord intended to communicate and becomes whatever "you" want it to mean. Which is more in line with Eastern Religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, types of mysticism.

Grabbing one verse after another like you do with 2 Corinthians 4:18 to identify everything in total, without the context is to create your own doctrine of belief/faith. This is what cults do. Which is distorting any understanding of the original usage of said verse. No different than what Satan did in the Temptation of Christ Jesus in the desert when he quoted scripture outside of its intended use.

You need to stop doing that.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Hi thanks for the reply

The multitude he was speaking of everyone. Emanuel, Christ with in us hides the gospel or spiritual understanding from some. A mixture. Like the feeding of 500 parable some were given the spiritual understanding hid from the father of lies and other enjoyed a fish dinner hosted by the father of lies the god of this word system.

Para meaning to come along side just like the word. Paraclete the Holy Spirit or interpreter

Mark 7:16-21 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.;And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;;Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

The believers led by the Paraclete (Holy Spirit) asked. . . And Christ declared are ye so without understanding ( the parable) also

Those spoken of in Revelation 2 whosoever has ears to hear the hidden understanding called hidden manna in 2 :17

How are believers instructed to rightly divide the parable, hiding the spiritual understanding from Satan if not by the recipe in 2 Corinthians 4:18?

Why is it even there?

Remember the opening subject matter

2 Corinthians 4:3;But if our gospel be hid, it is hid (parable) to them that are lost:;In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Not a salvation issue. Parables like honey enrich the living abiding word.

Exodus 16:31 And the house of Israel called the name thereof Manna:(what is it?) and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

God simply saved some of dying mankind to be his eternal bride the church.

Makes me wonder as informed in Luke when he comes on the last day under the Sun will he find faith as his understanding that works in us ? or men following after lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder, after as if God was still inspireing new prophecy .I had a dream or vision or a voice Which is more in line with Eastern Religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, types of mysticism.

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

 

[Christ4Ever]

The multitude he was speaking of everyone.

Incorrect. He was not speaking to the Gentiles. So, saying "everyone" is incorrect, and misleading to them who do not know better.

Christ with in us hides the gospel or spiritual understanding from some.

You are looking at different circumstances of presentation. One is pre-crucifixion/resurrection which was to the Jews, and their rejection was a necessary product for it, the Gospel, to be opened to and presented to the Gentiles. Without which unless you are Jewish, you, I, would not have had access to without first becoming one if not so rejected.

Like the feeding of 500 parable

Show me this parable by scripture verse please.

Para meaning to come along side just like the word. Paraclete the Holy Spirit or interpreter

Nice sentence. Now define what it means in relation to your position that everything in scripture is a parable?

Mark 7:16-21 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.;And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;;Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

The believers led by the Paraclete (Holy Spirit) asked. . . And Christ declared are ye so without understanding ( the parable) also

So, Jesus spoke plainly, explaining it to them and not in another parable?

Those spoken of in Revelation 2 whosoever has ears to hear the hidden understanding called hidden manna in 2 :17

So, the Bread of Life which is the Word of God, Jesus, will be theirs, which is no longer hidden.

How are believers instructed to rightly divide the parable, hiding the spiritual understanding from Satan if not by the recipe in 2 Corinthians 4:18?

Why is it even there?

Remember the opening subject matter

2 Corinthians 4:3;But if our gospel be hid, it is hid (parable) to them that are lost:;In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

So, you're a Calvinist?
I state this because I'll not get into a discussion of pre-destination with you but will know where you are coming from theologically.

Not a salvation issue. Parables like honey enrich the living abiding word.

It depends how you answer the above. Scripture that includes parables are sweet indeed!

Makes me wonder as informed in Luke when he comes on the last day under the Sun will he find faith as his understanding that works in us ? or men following after lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder, after as if God was still inspireing new prophecy .I had a dream or vision or a voice Which is more in line with Eastern Religions of Buddhism, Hinduism, types of mysticism.

Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9 ESV

And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul's message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth. Acts 17:11 NLT

Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error. 1 John 4:4-6 ESV

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Garee]

Incorrect. He was not speaking to the Gentiles. So, saying "everyone" is incorrect, and misleading to them who do not know better.

Thanks. Jehovah did prophecy "Are ye so without understanding also? "Also meaning hid from both" Revealed to one. It does not destroy the integrity of the temporal historical but does enrich the understnding hid from the father of lies.

Show me this parable by scripture verse please

I can try

I would offer

Parables, the signified prophecy using temporal things seen as a sign using words metaphors like "two fish " Two to represent the church or the father and the Son team. "Bread" used to represent daily will ."Five" by ranks of multitudes five, fifty, five hundred so on.to represent redemption. "Green grass" represents believers living things. "Pennyworth" represent the gospel. "Twelve" to respect the authority of God.

They all ate but did not all receive the hidden gospel understanding.


Mark6:37-44He answered and said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they say unto him, Shall we go and buy two hundred pennyworth of bread, and give them to eat?He saith unto them, How many loaves have ye? go and see. And when they knew, they say, Five, and two fishes.And he commanded them to make all sit down by companies upon the green grass.And they sat down in ranks, by hundreds, and by fifties.;And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and gave them to his disciples to set before them; and the two fishes divided he among them all.And they did all eat, and were filled.;And they took up twelve baskets full of the fragments, and of the fishes;And they that did eat of the loaves were about five thousand men

Again parables they do not change the temporal historical but do enrich like. . . . lay me down in green grass honey two spoons.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The multitude he was speaking of everyone.

Incorrect. He was not speaking to the Gentiles. So, saying "everyone" is incorrect, and misleading to them who do not know better.

Thanks. Jehovah did prophecy "Are ye so without understanding also? "Also meaning hid from both" Revealed to one. It does not destroy the integrity of the temporal historical but does enrich the understnding hid from the father of lies.

You can quote from wherever you want in scripture, but tying one event to all events by mentioning another part of scripture does not make the original thought being communicated any less true or the new thought valid. You could infer something that way, but it doesn't make it true or change the original writings meaning. Unless, you are the father of lies, because that is what he does, even with scripture.

Show me this parable by scripture verse please

I would offer

Parables, the signified prophecy using temporal things seen as a sign using words metaphors like "two fish " Two to represent the church or the father and the Son team. "Bread" used to represent daily will ."Five" by ranks of multitudes five, fifty, five hundred so on.to represent redemption. "Green grass" represents believers living things. "Pennyworth" represent the gospel. "Twelve" to respect the authority of God.

They all ate but did not all receive the hidden gospel understanding.

So, you would use numerology to a specific event of the feeding of the 5,000 and not 500 that I was looking for you to reference since that is what you typed?

What about the Holy Spirit?
Do, you believe in the Trinity?

Again parables they do not change the temporal historical but do enrich like

True if they are parables to be considered.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Twistie]

That buildings are a Church of the Living God...

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[Garee]

You can quote from wherever you want in scripture, but tying one event to all events by mentioning another part of scripture does not make the original thought being communicated any less true or the new thought valid. You could infer something that way, but it doesn't make it true or change the original writings meaning. Unless, you are the father of lies, because that is what he does, even with scripture.

Not sure of what you mean. I cannot quote scripture without comparing it tying it to scripture? Comparing the unseen eternal spiritual understanding called Christ's faith as a understanding must be compared to the invisible things of Christ

The unseen spiritual meaning must be compared to the same. The Spirit of Christ using parable teaches the believers ; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The scripture or prophecy as parables hide the understanding from the god of this world . he himself uses them out of context .The god of guessing .If you are the Son of man etc In Mathew 16 he mistook Jesus the son of man as if he was Peter the serial denier and Peter rebuked our Holy Father forbidding the Son of man Jesus from performing the demonstration

1 Corinthian 2:9-13But as it(sola scritra) is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the (invisible) things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: (Hid from unbelievers) for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man(temporal historical ), save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.;Now we have received, not the spirit of the worldtemporal what the eyes see), but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the (invisible eternal things) that are freely given to us of God.;Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,(the temporal historical) but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual (unseen eternal) things with spiritual.. . . .(unseen eternal). . . again same as faith to faith the unseen to the unseen the gospel


Same faith to faith the unseen to the unseen spoken of in the gospel below

Roman 1:15-16;So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.;For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith (invisible) to faith:(invisible) as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (the unseen eternal things)

2 Corithians 4:18&nbsp;While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;(historical) but the things which are not seen are eternal.

No mixing of the temporal historical with the unseen eternal things then it remains a mystery nothing to compare the temporal historical to.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You can quote from wherever you want in scripture, but tying one event to all events by mentioning another part of scripture does not make the original thought being communicated any less true or the new thought valid. You could infer something that way, but it doesn't make it true or change the original writings meaning. Unless, you are the father of lies, because that is what he does, even with scripture.

Not sure of what you mean. I cannot quote scripture without comparing it tying it to scripture? Comparing the unseen eternal spiritual understanding called Christ's faith as a understanding must be compared to the invisible things of Christ

There are no blanket coverages in scripture. Yes, you have temporal/spiritual, but not all instances apply to each category just because they happen to be in that category of thought. Instance you have "law", then individual "laws" that hold to their own constant. In the invisible you have faith, but then you have different levels thereof to consider as well.

You have a problem doing so, because you are unable to make these distinctions in a way that reflects these differences. You might call them sub-categories if you will, that are distinct as well in which blanket statements fail to consider/explain for they cannot be but are needed for clarity of understanding.

I'll try to break this down using your color coding, so please forgive me if I get some of it wrong, but you should get my gist of the differences I'm talking about above.

[Eph 6:12 NKJV] 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places]. Ephesians 6:12 NKJV

This is why what you do in the belief that it is all encompassing, easily falls short of the reality that scripture presents to us. An idiom that says "The devil is in the details" is most appropriate here.

The unseen spiritual meaning must be compared to the same. The Spirit of Christ using parable teaches the believers ; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

The problem lies in the levels that are not considered, nor can they be because it requires temporal for it to be communicated in. We can barely touch the edges of spirituality nor should we without proper guidance which scripture does not provide us with.

The scripture or prophecy as parables hide the understanding from the god of this world . he himself uses them out of context .

You have no valid scripture to back this up. In fact, the alternate is probably more valid, and what you follow this up with has some truth to it, because he is a deceiver. He could not deceive if he was unaware of the truth!

If you are the Son of man etc In Mathew 16 he mistook Jesus the son of man as if he was Peter the serial denier and Peter rebuked our Holy Father forbidding the Son of man Jesus from performing the demonstration

Sorry, you are wrong here. Satan does not ever stop attempting to influence humanity, be they of Christ or not. He very well knew who Jesus was make no mistake about it. (See the Temptation of Christ) His mistake was from the very beginning of his rebellion and is only limited by God on what he can do, even now.

1 Corinthian 2:9-13But as it(sola scritra) is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the (invisible) things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: (Hid from unbelievers) for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man(temporal historical ), save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.;Now we have received, not the spirit of the worldtemporal what the eyes see), but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the (invisible eternal things) that are freely given to us of God.;Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,(the temporal historical) but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual (unseen eternal) things with spiritual.. . . .(unseen eternal). . . again same as faith to faith the unseen to the unseen the gospel

Paul was quoting in this from the OT.
For since the beginning of the world [men] have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, [what] he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him. Isaiah 64:4 KJV

Breaking it down as you have in color needs to be reexamined in the light of the OT, and not just what was made available to us in the NT.

Same faith to faith the unseen to the unseen spoken of in the gospel below

I'll not go over this again. What you do is too broad to consider it proper exegesis.

I still await answers to my questions:

What about the Holy Spirit?
Do, you believe in the Trinity?

So, you would use numerology to a specific event of the feeding of the 5,000 and not 500 that I was looking for you to reference since that is what you typed?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Garee]

There are no blanket coverages in scripture. Yes, you have temporal/spiritual, but not all instances apply to each category just because they happen to be in that category of thought. Instance you have "law", then individual "laws" that hold to their own constant. In the invisible you have faith, but then you have different levels thereof to consider as well.

You have a problem doing so, because you are unable to make these distinctions in a way that reflects these differences. You might call them sub-categories if you will, that are distinct as well in which blanket statements fail to consider/explain for they cannot be but are needed for clarity of understanding.

Would the laws of interpretation be considered blanket coverage?

Does the law found in 2 Corihtinans 4:18 apply to each category of parables ?

Levels of faith?

Let there be and it was the good level?

[Eph 6:12 NKJV] 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places]. Ephesians 6:12 NKJV

This is why what you do in the belief that it is all encompassing, easily falls short of the reality that scripture presents to us. An idiom that says "The devil is in the details" is most appropriate here.

It is more than just adding color .

Red represents the eternal unseen things of God as his "let there be" power

Black represents death the temporal historical

Green represents life

Purple represents parables things that make men wonder.

Applies to the law of interpreting parables

2 Corinthians 4:18&nbsp;While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Apply to each category mixing the two

Hebrews 44 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

"The devil is in a state of confusion the Spirit of Christ's hidden understanding hid from the spirit of lies . the god of guessing, gambling. The iffy god

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear @Garee
It appears I must continue to repeat my request for answers to my questions. While I look at replying to the rest of your post, that I might respond to it rightly.

I still await answers to my questions:

What about the Holy Spirit?
Do, you believe in the Trinity?

So, you would use numerology to a specific event of the feeding of the 5,000 and not 500 that I was looking for you to reference since that is what you typed?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[Christ4Ever]

Without word numbers used in parable (signified prophecy) Christ spoke not

Member @Garee
The devil is a liar and it appears your own words are your downfall to this subject of numerology. "In Mathew 16 the devil thought Peter was the son of man the chosen one of the Holy Father and gave Perter words of false prophecy rebuking the Holy Father and forbidding the Son of man from doing his Holy Father's good will. he was forgiven of his blasphemy against the son of man the temporal fleshly seed". Numerology is an occult practice and is used as part of divination. Both of which are against Scripture.

The post that the above references will be deleted. Take this as a warning. You will not be using numerology on Talk Jesus if you want to continue to be a member. I see it, I will delete it, without warning or discussion. Another member who continues to post now and again, would use this practice. Justifying it as a form of acceptable mysticism practiced by the Jewish faith. He was warned and has adhered to the warning he was given, and from the best of my reading of his postings, has not shared his usage/belief of numerology as part of his postings since. Were he to do so, as I warn you, it will be deleted, and the continued practice after being warned, will have you seeking other sites to practice what is not acceptable by Scripture to do so.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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[B-A-C]

Red represents the eternal unseen things of God

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So you think the rulers, powers, and the spiritual forces of wickedness are "of God"?
You think the "world forces of this darkness" are from God?

Applies to the law of interpreting parables

What exactly is this law? I don't want your opinion of what you think it is.. I want scripture that specifically says what it is.

Hebrews 44 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.;For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

I wasn't aware there was a Hebrews 44, but I suspect you mean Heb 4:2

2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

The word being united (mixed) with faith... is NOT even close to the same thing as two verses being mixed to create a false doctrine.
The reason they failed to enter.. was because of disobedience... Not because they couldn't interpret some hidden parable.

Let there be and it was the good level?

Not everything God created was "good" in fact one thing was specifically "not good". (Gen 2:18)

 

[Garee]

So you think the rulers, powers, and the spiritual forces of wickedness are "of God"?
You think the "world forces of this darkness" are from God?

Thats what the god of this world believes. He has no eternal vision the unseen. called powerful "Let there be" faith Therefore the spiritual understanding of parables is hidden from him. He walks or has the understanding of darkness.

Rather than compare faith (the unseen eternal) to the same faith (unseen eternal) It become the temporal historical to the same temporal historical .

Two choices when mixed together one. gospel understanding

 

[Curtis]

Red represents the eternal unseen things of God as his "let there be" power

Invisible things of God can be clearly seen by looking at the things that were made in creation.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The physical world is a visual aid to the fleshly man of the unseen spiritual world, which man can not see with his physical eyes, even God's eternal power and Godhead!

 

[B-A-C]

Psalm 19:1 – "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork."
Colossians 1:16 – "For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible..."
1 Timothy 4:4 – "For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving."

The phrase “dead works” is biblical too, found in Hebrews 6:1 and Hebrews 9:14, but it refers to works done apart from faith or the Spirit, not to all physical or visible actions. It's not a condemnation of the material world, but of religious activity that lacks life.

 

[Bill]

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

So you think the rulers, powers, and the spiritual forces of wickedness are "of God"?
You think the "world forces of this darkness" are from God?



What exactly is this law? I don't want your opinion of what you think it is.. I want scripture that specifically says what it is.



I wasn't aware there was a Hebrews 44, but I suspect you mean Heb 4:2

2 For indeed we have had good news preached to us, just as they also; but the word they heard did not profit them, because it was not united by faith in those who heard.
3 For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, “As I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,”
although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;
5 and again in this passage, “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

The word being united (mixed) with faith... is NOT even close to the same thing as two verses being mixed to create a false doctrine.
The reason they failed to enter.. was because of disobedience... Not because they couldn't interpret some hidden parable.



Not everything God created was "good" in fact one thing was specifically "not good". (Gen 2:18)

" So you think the rulers, powers, and the spiritual forces of wickedness are "of God"?
You think the "world forces of this darkness" are from God?"

There are spiritual forces of God, and the 1/3 of the fallen angels who are with the devil ( not with God)

We know via scripture that God had conversations with the devil. Testing Job as an example.

Those powers and authorities who are with God are WITH God

 

[Jesua888]

The problem you will run into has to do with translation.

Can you understand Latin and Greek.

So often people read part of a verse or do not read the rest to establish its context. Often people omit important verses that explain much eg. Jacob was renamed by God, and his descendants were referred to as Israelites. In the Old Testament God says "I will give you This Land ... I will give your seed All This Land" (Gen 12 &13). Then in Deuteronomy 28: "... obedience, curses for disobedience, include being driven out of the land ... God warns that if His people make His "Heritage an Abomination", He will bring destruction upon Jerusalem, and uproot them from "My Land", which I have given them (Jeremiah 2). Only in the NT can the land of Israel be seen (Matthew 2: 20-21 "... go to the land of Israel ... came into the land of Israel"
Could it be that the Bible is often misinterpreted or taken out of context!?
Some will argue that God did indeed gather his people from all corners of the earth and bring them back to the land of their ancestors - Israel.
However, God warns that if His people make His "Heritage an Abomination" ... what does this mean in Modern Israel?

 

[Jesua888]

What do people pretend is in the Bible but is absolutely not in the Bible?​

My Favourite Topic, where most of the answers are in the bible ...

Is what is commonly believed about Modern Day Israel, as "being the chosen land or chosen race" misinterpreted?
There is a lot of controversy around this topic and the answers can be found, with closer study. of the Bible.
Yet the more we delve into Scripture, the deeper we can go, and often have more questions?

However, the "abomination" in Gaza where the World is exonerating and protecting Israel, should be questioned!

Should not God's Word be thoroughly studied, lest something be overlooked, misinterpreted or taken out of context (often to support an argument)?

In Genisis 35 God changed Jacob's name to Israel ... so where did the land Israel originate?

God's words "This Land" (Canaan)
In the Old Testament God renamed Jacob "Israel", and Jacob's descendants were referred to as Israelites ... their land being Canaan

Gen 12: "To your seed I give This Land"
Gen 13: "All the Land which you see to you I give it, and your seed forever"
Gen 15: This Land "From the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates"
Gen 16: "The whole land of Canaan ..."

In Genesis God refers to his chosen people as Abraham and his descendants, and He gifts them "This Land" and does not refer to the land as Israel, rather as Canaan.

Canaan was a region in the Levant that included parts of modern-day Israel, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and the West Bank

According to various sources, there is evidence suggesting that many Palestinians may have Jewish ancestry.

God has conditions:

Deuteronomy 28: " ... obedience, curses for disobedience, include being driven out of the land ... God warns if the people make His "heritage an abomination", He will bring destruction upon Jerusalem, and up root them from "My Land which I have given them (Jeremiah 2)

Would God want obedience now from the people of Modern Day Israel, from their Gvt, and certain other World Leaders?

Some might argue that God gave Abraham the land that was inhabited by worshippers of other gods and idols, and gave orders to "remove" them!

Is this what is happening in Israel and Gaza right now, where the World is led to believe that the killings of innocent Palestinians is justified, and that their land needs to be cleansed?

Are these Old Testament teachings and beliefs?

MORE IMPORTANTLY, what are Jesus Christ's teachings on this very sensitive topic?

Orthodox Judaism vs Christianity​

Orthodox Jews and Christian Jews differ significantly in their beliefs, practices, and theological foundations. Orthodox Jews follow Judaism, which is centered around the Hebrew Bible and the teachings of the Talmud. They believe in one God, do not accept the Trinity, and do not view Jesus as the Messiah. In contrast, Christian Jews, who are typically part of Christian denominations, believe in the Trinity and see Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God.

Zionism, Judaism, and Christianity are distinct concepts rooted in different domains—political ideology, religion, and religious tradition, respectively—though they are often interrelated, particularly in the context of the Middle East and historical Jewish identity ...

A Deep Topic Indeed!

 

[MedicBravo]

I forgot one more: "Live. Laugh. Love" - Olive Garden