Predestnation

[Deep Seeker]

God lost control a long time ago.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.​

- 1 John 3:7-8 KJV

Our Faith is not in Moses
Our Faith is not in Abraham
Our Faith is not in circumcision.
Our Faith is in that which Christ Taught.

REMA -- IF God is no longer in control; why is The Earth still here? Why are all things, more or less, as They were in The Beginning of the physical creation?
Seeing how They are still in order; then is there Still A God?
deepSeeker

 

[Deep Seeker]

Well, well ! Look at This.

Behold, the Lord said to the angels" "I will create A Vicegerent on Earth."
and transgression."

Notice this also from The Quran.

We said: "O Adam! dwell You and Your wife in the Ga; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) You will; but approach not This Tree, or You will run into harm and transgression."
Then did Satan make Them slip from The Garden, and got Them out of The State (of felicity) in which They had been. WE said: "Get down, all you people with enmity between yourselves. On Earth will be your dwelling place and your means of livelihood for A Time."

I stop this here.
Indeed, This account adds much more to The Genesis Story given in The Bible text. One must remember, however; that The Bible text is not the original text!
The point here being that Those who are seeking the DEEPER THINGS related to This Creation, must dig deeply! The Bible is only One of The Text which deals with God and creation. The "Book Of Enoch; is another that needs to be read by The Serious Bible student.Se

I hope this message is of help to those seeking deeper thruth.

Deepseeker

 

[Deep Seeker]

This is how The spirit of the Lord broke it down to me or told me or revealed this to me how ever one may wanna say

Therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

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Thank You much!

 

[Deep Seeker]

I have notice very clearly that there are many posts being made that show a lack of DEEP STUDY of the Bible text. Reading The Bible, and studying It with understanding are Two, very different, Things!
Study indeed, requires exactly That! Reading is not the same as studying! Most in today's churches read The Bible; few indeed, STUDY IT. I see this often in the congregation that I attend. Many do not even read The Bible.
It seems that too much of the attitude in Today's churches is this: The Pastor knows; and He will tell Me what I need or want to know! What if He does not know Himself?
Well Lord; My Pastor said ... !

What does The Bible scripture say compared to Your Pastor? I heard The Pastor at My congregation permit another to ask One if He knew God.
He is replying No, He was then taken up and saved! Saved from what?
This writing may seem harsh to some. However, read The Scriptures and see what They say!

DeepSeeker

 

[Deep Seeker]

The Bible wasn't written in English.

REMA
True. What language was It originally written in?

 

[Deep Seeker]

ENOCH -- What did You say ? ?

 

[Deep Seeker]

I've come to find many don't like Paul wanna disregard Paul belittle his words I believe it's because he was chosen after the resurrection... It shows the Messiah is risen n is still in charge..

Idk how I see it..

I also believe those who go around saying God didn't mean what He says are under one strong spell of the world.. but that's another topic

Paul is also proof God's children will be taught from the Spirit of the Lord Himself..

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YES, ON The Road to Damascus !

 

[Twistie]

I have notice very clearly that there are many posts being made that show a lack of DEEP STUDY of the Bible text. Reading The Bible, and studying It with understanding are Two, very different, Things!
Study indeed, requires exactly That! Reading is not the same as studying! Most in today's churches read The Bible; few indeed, STUDY IT. I see this often in the congregation that I attend. Many do not even read The Bible.
It seems that too much of the attitude in Today's churches is this: The Pastor knows; and He will tell Me what I need or want to know! What if He does not know Himself?
Well Lord; My Pastor said ... !

What does The Bible scripture say compared to Your Pastor? I heard The Pastor at My congregation permit another to ask One if He knew God.
He is replying No, He was then taken up and saved! Saved from what?
This writing may seem harsh to some. However, read The Scriptures and see what They say!

DeepSeeker

The only teacher I have is the Holy Spirit we r not welcomed in Christian gatherings or we hear their preacher speaking lies n leading his congregation into sin n we leave..

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

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[Twistie]

STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD, A WORKMAN WHO NEED NOT BE ASHAMED, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. !!

I think many use the word study in reference to memorize verses.. they don't look at the way the Messiah walked how he treated other n what He said to do.. they think memorizing this n that will get them in good grades with the Lord I presume when it's written He will be written on His children Hearts n we have it written too much studying makes the flesh weary..
Study to show thyself approved are our ways matching our Messiah? Are we holding our brothers close to our hearts if we see one with no food n we have a little are we sharing the little we have or are we keeping it cause it just a little..

The most important thing is to have a relationship with He whom is ancient before days I just so love saying that How glorious is He.. hmmm..

Imagine one thinking they be able to memorize The Spirit of the Lord if that isn't prideful idk what is

Apologies for being long winded..

Hope all's well!

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[Twistie]

Well, well ! Look at This.

Behold, the Lord said to the angels" "I will create A Vicegerent on Earth."
and transgression."

Notice this also from The Quran.

We said: "O Adam! dwell You and Your wife in the Ga; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) You will; but approach not This Tree, or You will run into harm and transgression."
Then did Satan make Them slip from The Garden, and got Them out of The State (of felicity) in which They had been. WE said: "Get down, all you people with enmity between yourselves. On Earth will be your dwelling place and your means of livelihood for A Time."

I stop this here.
Indeed, This account adds much more to The Genesis Story given in The Bible text. One must remember, however; that The Bible text is not the original text!
The point here being that Those who are seeking the DEEPER THINGS related to This Creation, must dig deeply! The Bible is only One of The Text which deals with God and creation. The "Book Of Enoch; is another that needs to be read by The Serious Bible student.Se

I hope this message is of help to those seeking deeper thruth.

Deepseeker

Christianity teaches the people not to seek sadly they believe God word only fills one book because man told them many many yrs ago..my fav well all them my fav but I do love the ode n psalms of Solomon..
Some stay on the boat some take the hand of the Lord n go walking on the water so to say

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[Rhema]

REMA
That is very true. Also, with each language, creeps in more error. This is just do to the fact that not all things can be correctly translated into another language. Consider the confusion of speech!
Deepseeker

When I was 14, I found a Greek Interlinear New Testament, the one I recommended to you in another post.

The left page has two columns, KJV and NIV while the right page had the corresponding Greek with English words written underneath between the lines as selected by Dr. Alfred Marshal. Over the next two years, I was stunned to find out that neither of the English translations lined up with Marshal's English.

The KJV is obsolete and should not be used at all, but I quote it here because most others accept it.

And when comparing to the Greek, I learned that the NIV is a cult translation, selecting words that shift the narrative to the doctrines held by the Evangelical church that fronted the money. The NIV was even caught adding in words to the OT so that the verse said the exact opposite thing from what was written in Hebrew. Stuff like that gets me mad.

Your one post spoke about idioms. Indeed. That's why I say Paul's Thorn in the Flesh was a Pain in the neck. 2,000 years from now I can see someone reading a letter I wrote about a pain in the neck (where I meant my sister), and wondering what medical condition I had.

What really causes a Christian to lost their nut is when I prove that the Bible is not the Word of God because the Bible defines what the Word of God is (and there are two) and it does not include itself in it's own definition.

2nd Tim. 3:16 is an evil translation. But religious people let it slide because it's beneficial to them.

Sorry, I guess I should put all this stuff in PM.

But I can say that the entire concept of predestination is not what English speakers think it means.

Structures and systems have been predetermined (like light and gravity and that frozen water floats) people are not predestined. We're not meat puppets.

So to round things up, I have a high functioning knowledge of both English and Greek, and it most certainly has helped my understanding.

God bless,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

REMA -- IF God is no longer in control; why is The Earth still here?

Satan wants it. Right now, the Earth contains a pathway for Satan to become immortal here on this planet.

That's his end goal. He doesn't care one whit about any of y'all.

Why are all things, more or less, as They were in The Beginning of the physical creation?

Oh dear me things are NOT as they were in the beginning. There was no cancer, there was no pestilence, there was no disease or war. ALL of creation was GOOD before the Fall of Adam. Then Adam was lied to, and having no knowledge or experience of what a lie is, gave himself brain damage by eating the wrong thing.

That's why we bless our food before eating, btw.

Seeing how They are still in order; then is there Still A God?

Oh there definitely still is a God, but being Good, God doesn't understand Evil at all. That's been the problem, and God has been trying to fix it since day one. I think He's up to Plan F at the moment.

One must remember, however; that The Bible text is not the original text!

I presume you mean your English translations? I wasn't sure. Indeed the Hebrew does have a slight shifting view on the matter, but I'm not sure how the Quran is supposed to better inform. I think the two creation accounts in the Bible are rather significant. And I happen to take it literally.

You will; but approach not This Tree, or You will run into harm and transgression."

Granted that I've not read the Quran, nor the book of Mormon for that matter (better things to do).
BUT.
The Bible has two special trees, not one. Does the Quran only speak of one?
Interesting.

However, read The Scriptures and see what They say!

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.​

(Acts 2:38 KJV)

That's what mine says.

What does The Bible scripture say compared to Your Pastor?

My Bible scripture says that one shouldn't call another "Pastor." So....

If they can't get that simple command straight, then what else is bent?

REMA
True. What language was It originally written in?

The Hebrew scriptures, what Christians call the Old Testament, was written in Hebrew. The New Testament was published in Greek, although the Gospel according to Mathew was originally written in Hebrew with a smattering of Aramaic grammar.

Of course all this tends to ignore the fact that Jesus spoke in Aramaic. BUT, back then, most everyone had learned at least two or three, even four languages. It wasn't a big deal.

ENOCH -- What did You say ? ?

Enoch wasn't written by Enoch. It was a work of fantasy/fiction by a pretty good novelist who put Enoch's name on it. As of right now, I'd refer to the Wikipedia page, although there are other more extensive books in my seminary's library, I just don't have the time.

Rhema

 

[Deep Seeker]

Why is it that so many ignore that The Bible states that The Apostle Paul wasa hosen to preach to All, INCLUDING The Gentiles.All others before Him were sent only, to The House Of Israel. If One accepts what was for The House Of Isreal only, Then They do no have Todays Grace; Which Paul was sent to teach to BOTH Gentiles and Jewa.

DeepSeeker

 

[Rhema]

Why is it that so many ignore that The Bible states that The Apostle Paul wasa hosen to preach to All, INCLUDING The Gentiles.

So many? Just how many different churches have you attended? Most every Protestant church preaches the doctrines of Paul and dismiss the Teachings of Jesus. Jesus stories are told to the children in Sunday School, but PAUL is preached to the adults in the Sermon. Christians have dispensed with Jesus and supplanted Him with Paul.

A true Apostle would teach nothing besides the Teaching of Jesus.

All others before Him were sent only, to The House Of Israel.

A lie from the pit of hell.

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.​

- Matthew 28:18-20 KJV

(READ IT)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.​

- Mark 16:15-16 KJV

(READ IT)

Instead, you have denied Jesus before men, dispensing with His teachings to ALL MEN.

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.​

- Matthew 10:33 KJV

And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.​

- Mark 8:34 KJV

Whosoever means everyone, not just Jews.

For shame,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Paul was sent to teach to BOTH Gentiles and Jewa.

Why on Earth would God send somebody else to preach a different Gospel from His own dear Son?

You have denied Jesus before men.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.​

- Acts 10:44-48 KJV

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.​

- Acts 15:7 KJV

 

[Deep Seeker]

RHEMA, please take time to consider others input here! Not One of US has all the correct answers! Some may have more than Others; but that does not make Them more understanding of The Scriptures than Others.

Are YOU aware of the different gospels given for different Time Periods, to different people? Why was it that The Apostle Paul was not sent unto The Gentiles until after all the dealings Jesus had with Isreal? Why was He, appointed an Apostille to The Gentiles instead of Isreal? Why, why?

DeepSeeker

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after Jesus had dies on The Cross?

 

[Garee]

GAREE:
Does That mean that all choice is invalid?

DeepSeeke

People chose all day .

I think of it more as the better things that accompanies new born again creatures. . the salvation of one's new soul. Then hin having chosen us from the foundation of the world we can offer our good works Christ in us working to both reel his will and empower dying mankind to do it to the good pleasure of his Holy name
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Hebrew 6:9-10;But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

And not like those laying again and again he foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, and not faith of Christ labor of love.

Having the tool of understanding of his own self offered toward Christ again not from Christ. Christ the source of power

Not the kind with thorns and thistle "the letter of the law death" pricking one's conscience the sting of death

Crucifying Christ over, over and over every time they sin to public shame as if one promised demonstration feel short of the glory of the Holy father

Hebrew 6:6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.;For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

 

[Rhema]

Are YOU aware of the different gospels given for different Time Periods, to different people?

Dispensationalism is a lie of the devil.

I am quite aware, though, that certain prophecies given to Israel were for certain time periods. That should be obvious to anyone.

But the Word of God (meaning the truth of all reality) stands forever unchanged.

RHEMA, please take time to consider others input here!

I'll take the time when they show critical thinking skills and can give rational discourse. I am under no obligation from God to listen to stupid people, or those truly challenged in their verbal skills. I don't eat word salads.

In order for any understanding to occur between two people, one must consider two things:

1) Presuppositional Foundation.​

2) Definitional Framework.​

Most people have no clue what these even are.

As a starting point, I would suggest the works of -

On Certainty by Ludwig Wittgenstein​

Science and Sanity by Alfred Korzybski.​

Why was it that The Apostle Paul was not sent unto The Gentiles until after all the dealings Jesus had with Isreal? Why was He, appointed an Apostille to The Gentiles instead of Isreal? Why, why?

Because he wasn't. He wasn't appointed to the Gentiles. At least not by God. He was a self proclaimed Apostle because of his own private interpretation of certain events.

The only claims made that Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles came from Paul.

Peter disagreed when he said:

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.​

- Acts 15:7 KJV

This was a claim made in front of the entire church council and not even Paul had the guts to deny this in public.

So who lied? Peter or Paul?

Paul puffed up himself

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:​

- Romans 11:13 KJV

If I may suggest, though, that this line of query is outside the scope of this particular thread, so I won't continue on here. Perhaps the "Blasphemy" or "Paul - the Apostle" thread might be better suited. (Until I am banned.)

Kindly,
Rhema

after Jesus had dies on The Cross?

Jesus spent FORTY DAYS (40) teaching his disciples AFTER the cross.

In the first book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus did and taught from the beginning until the day when he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. After his suffering he presented himself alive to them by many convincing proofs, appearing to them during forty days and speaking about the kingdom of God.​

- Acts 1:1-3 NRSV

Ten days AFTER Jesus' ascension, the Holy Spirit of Truth was given at Pentecost. (Remember, Paul wasn't there. Neither was Luke.) The Gospel texts of Matthew Mark Luke and John were written AFTER the cross, AFTER the resurrection, AFTER the 40 days, AFTER the ascension and even AFTER Paul's epistles. Yet there is absolutely NOTHING in Matthew Mark Luke or John or even the first part of Acts about any TWO Gospel solution that ever came from the lips of Jesus or his (real) chosen Apostles.

This isn't hard to understand. The Pauline Gospel didn't exist until Paul. And that should give you pause.

Since the 18th century, a number of scholars have proposed that Paul's writings contain teachings that are different from the original teachings of Jesus and those of the earliest Jewish Christians,​

Please remember that I won't reply here in this thread. Thanks kindly.

 

[Garee]

RHEMA, please take time to consider others input here! Not One of US has all the correct answers! Some may have more than Others; but that does not make Them more understanding of The Scriptures than Others.

Are YOU aware of the different gospels given for different Time Periods, to different people? Why was it that The Apostle Paul was not sent unto The Gentiles until after all the dealings Jesus had with Isreal? Why was He, appointed an Apostille to The Gentiles instead of Isreal? Why, why?

DeepSeeker

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after Jesus had dies on The Cross?

I would offer the one gospel of Christ spoken of through many prophets sent as apostles. The ones with beautiful feet shod with the gospel of peace.

Not a gospel of dying mankind Peter Paul and Mary or Mathew, Mark, Luke John as if they were crucified for the sins of the world.

The idea of four gospels is an oral tradition of dying mankind. What God calls one, Satan no spiritual understanding calls many. What God calls many Satan calls homo

Satan not subject to the mysteries of parables the gospel. He is limited to what the eyes see. In that way he is the god of this corrupted dying world

It's the one gospel of Christ spoken through various prophet \ apostles. "Sent messengers" UPS, Fed X, Amazon, Uber, Morise code, smoke signals, Carier Pigeons, Google ETC

The messengers' apostles died . . the gospel message lives on in his messengers or sent preachers today .

Why venerate the messenger that dies who will some venerate then.?

We venerate the living word sola scriptura it venerates the invisible Holy Father, Christ the Huband