Predestnation

[stanshall]

There is a YouTube pastor named Jim Brown who has studied over 60 years using the original Greek texts before King James. His ministry is called Grace and Truth.
He states predestination is true & if you don’t believe this then you are ignorant. He claims he is not a Calvinist. Scripture does mention “The Elect”, especially Apostle Paul. So I can’t call him a liar.
He also states that God has “vessels of mercy” and “vessels of wrath”. The “vessels of wrath” he claims were ordained by God to live this earthly existence and when they die they are destined for hell. He always backs up his claims by showing Scripture passages on the screen.
He also states The Sinner’s Prayer is false. You cannot birth yourself. Only Jesus can birth you anew with The Holy Spirit. And He decides whom shall receive it.
I’m not a theologian and am not born again. Any rational Biblical comments would be appreciated.

 

[Twistie]

There is a YouTube pastor named Jim Brown who has studied over 60 years using the original Greek texts before King James. His ministry is called Grace and Truth.
He states predestination is true & if you don’t believe this then you are ignorant. He claims he is not a Calvinist. Scripture does mention “The Elect”, especially Apostle Paul. So I can’t call him a liar.
He also states that God has “vessels of mercy” and “vessels of wrath”. The “vessels of wrath” he claims were ordained by God to live this earthly existence and when they die they are destined for hell. He always backs up his claims by showing Scripture passages on the screen.
He also states The Sinner’s Prayer is false. You cannot birth yourself. Only Jesus can birth you anew with The Holy Spirit. And He decides whom shall receive it.
I’m not a theologian and am not born again. Any rational Biblical comments would be appreciated.

I can tell you how it was showed to me it's written
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee

He new who we were n what we would do before we were even placed in the womb..
God could of tweaked us forced us to love Him force us to do what is right but He didn't He new we would turn against Him but He also knew we would eventually on our own free will choose to seek Him out..

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[Garee]

I would offer .Lately I have looking at predestination as the creative law of faith or power . "Let there faithfully be" and "it was good"

Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works (letter of law death)? Nay: but by the law of faith. (unseen spiritual ) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith (Christ's) without the deeds of the law.

Romans 3:31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, (death) that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(death)

Chosen before the foundation the six days he did work.

 

[Gothedral]

Rational? Some mortal's "Once upon a time..." philosophy...
versus chapter and verse from The Word? Don't.
You're complicating Christ's instructions. Don't. ️

 

[Curtis]

Every one who puts their faith in Jesus Christ have been predestined to live forever with God.
Every one who does not put their faith Jesus Christ have been predestined to spend eternity in hell.

 

[Deep Seeker]

Hello To All:
I have for some 40 or so years, sought through prayer and deep studies; come to understand much of what is in Todays' Bible. Thanks be to The Spirit of The Elohim!
I do not claim to have a complete knowledge of The Bible scriptures; I do however, have a deep knowledge of Them.
The First thing that I desire to post here is this. Not ALL THE BIBLE was written to The Gentiles. It was written to The Jews!
Only The Apostle Paul was given that which was to be given directly to, The Gentiles! Read this for yourselves in what Paul said His mission was for!

So why then, so many take what was given to The Jews, and apply It to Today??
"You reap what You SOW!" .

If One desires to receive what was for Isreal for Themselves, that is what One will receive! Readd it for Yourselves in The Scirptures.
Yet Today, MANY take for example, The Book Of Revelation, and apply It to Today! How does That Book start?
The Revelation Of Jesus Christ ,WHICH GOD GAVE TO HIM TO SHOW TO HIS SERVAMNTS ... .
Or are You a believer in Christ Jesus, AND NOT JESUS CHRIST?
I know that This Statement will cause many to shudder. I see that as good! However; That is what is written.

Who sent The Apostle Paul ? Who did He send Him too? Why did He not send Him to Isreal? Why Indeed! What message did Paul teach to The Peoples? Who spoke to Paul on His way to kill the people? Questions, questions, that many never ask!
Let Isreal receive That which They were given. Use THAT which The World Today was given as Your guide!


DEEPSEEKER

 

[Deep Seeker]

I can tell you how it was showed to me it's written
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee

He new who we were n what we would do before we were even placed in the womb..
God could of tweaked us forced us to love Him force us to do what is right but He didn't He new we would turn against Him but He also knew we would eventually on our own free will choose to seek Him out..

⋋⁠✿⁠ ⁠⁰⁠ ⁠o⁠ ⁠⁰⁠ ⁠✿⁠⋌

STANSHELL:

I agree with You! Well said!
DeepSeeker

 

[Deep Seeker]

STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED UNTO GOD, A WORKMAN WHO NEED NOT BE ASHAMED, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH. !!

 

[Deep Seeker]

THINKING EVER MORE
If One, seeks to follow The Bible; should that One accept ALL that is written in IT for Today ??

 

[Deep Seeker]

GAREE:
Does That mean that all choice is invalid?

DeepSeeker

 

[Twistie]

STANSHELL:

I agree with You! Well said!
DeepSeeker

This is how The spirit of the Lord broke it down to me or told me or revealed this to me how ever one may wanna say

Therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

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[Twistie]

Hello To All:
I have for some 40 or so years, sought through prayer and deep studies; come to understand much of what is in Todays' Bible. Thanks be to The Spirit of The Elohim!
I do not claim to have a complete knowledge of The Bible scriptures; I do however, have a deep knowledge of Them.
The First thing that I desire to post here is this. Not ALL THE BIBLE was written to The Gentiles. It was written to The Jews!
Only The Apostle Paul was given that which was to be given directly to, The Gentiles! Read this for yourselves in what Paul said His mission was for!

So why then, so many take what was given to The Jews, and apply It to Today??
"You reap what You SOW!" .

If One desires to receive what was for Isreal for Themselves, that is what One will receive! Readd it for Yourselves in The Scirptures.
Yet Today, MANY take for example, The Book Of Revelation, and apply It to Today! How does That Book start?
The Revelation Of Jesus Christ ,WHICH GOD GAVE TO HIM TO SHOW TO HIS SERVAMNTS ... .
Or are You a believer in Christ Jesus, AND NOT JESUS CHRIST?
I know that This Statement will cause many to shudder. I see that as good! However; That is what is written.

Who sent The Apostle Paul ? Who did He send Him too? Why did He not send Him to Isreal? Why Indeed! What message did Paul teach to The Peoples? Who spoke to Paul on His way to kill the people? Questions, questions, that many never ask!
Let Isreal receive That which They were given. Use THAT which The World Today was given as Your guide!


DEEPSEEKER

I've come to find many don't like Paul wanna disregard Paul belittle his words I believe it's because he was chosen after the resurrection... It shows the Messiah is risen n is still in charge..

Idk how I see it..

I also believe those who go around saying God didn't mean what He says are under one strong spell of the world.. but that's another topic

Paul is also proof God's children will be taught from the Spirit of the Lord Himself..

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[Deep Seeker]

Who is in charge of ALL THINGS? God.
Having said that, I need to expand on that also.

In Genesis 1:1 is given the following: I will give The Amplified Bible rendering here.

In The Beginning, God prepared, formed, fashioned, and created the HEAVENS and THE EARTH.
Consider closely This verse.

The King James version says: In the beginning God created The Heaven and The Earth. In The Apostle Pauls' writing, Paul said: "Summoned by the will and purpose of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, AND our brother Sosthenes.
When One reads these types of verses, They see that it is The Spirit Of God that causes Them to be written. It is not then, The Spirit of Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus.
Notice the different Titles used above!

There is in The Bible scriptures definite reasons for These various Titles being used. If only a casual reading is done, important parts are missed; or misunderstood. This occurs to often when the Bible text, are casually read!

As a side note I mention This. Wehn I was still a very young boy, I remember taking an English class; which I thought was bring! What do I care about nouns, pronouns, adverbs, etc. ? Now I DO!

This is why so many do not correctly read what is given in The Bible scriptures, the lack of knowledgeable English. Also, false teachings, tend to lead many to false conclusions.
I write this as, I hope, to be a help to many.
DeepSeeker

 

[Twistie]

Who is in charge of ALL THINGS? God.
Having said that, I need to expand on that also.

In Genesis 1:1 is given the following: I will give The Amplified Bible rendering here.

In The Beginning, God prepared, formed, fashioned, and created the HEAVENS and THE EARTH.
Consider closely This verse.

The King James version says: In the beginning God created The Heaven and The Earth. In The Apostle Pauls' writing, Paul said: "Summoned by the will and purpose of God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, AND our brother Sosthenes.
When One reads these types of verses, They see that it is The Spirit Of God that causes Them to be written. It is not then, The Spirit of Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus.
Notice the different Titles used above!

There is in The Bible scriptures definite reasons for These various Titles being used. If only a casual reading is done, important parts are missed; or misunderstood. This occurs to often when the Bible text, are casually read!

As a side note I mention This. Wehn I was still a very young boy, I remember taking an English class; which I thought was bring! What do I care about nouns, pronouns, adverbs, etc. ? Now I DO!

This is why so many do not correctly read what is given in The Bible scriptures, the lack of knowledgeable English. Also, false teachings, tend to lead many to false conclusions.
I write this as, I hope, to be a help to many.
DeepSeeker

I believe many look at the bible like any other book they think they can memorize n then they know it.. that's exactly how they see the bible as an it.. they r blind to the fact that He is a Living Spirit n there is only One Teacher and only Spirit can birth Spirit they will remain behind that veil..
Lord said to me one day while I was pondering with Him He said many think they sit comfortably in My Light but they r running amok in darkness...
The false preachers got a strong curse going many are under their spell..

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[Deep Seeker]

The question. Does That mall choices
mean that all choice is invalid; was a reply to One of my writes.

I did not say that all choices are improper or bad. But the choice to use what One themselves think is correct, does not mean It is correct! The answer to correct choice is mostly in the reading of the context.
I have found over these many years of study; that it is a big help to get oneself, out of the way! What does IT SAY?I hoe this helps many.
DeepSeeker

 

[Deep Seeker]

Genesis 1:1 . D ... .
I very much like: The Amplified Bible version of Genesis 1:1 The use of the insert of That verse is excellent. For It covers all forms of The Creation which took place at That Time Period.
What I am about to write, I have not seen written anyplace before. I am sure however, that It has been.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (Of creating) God created

Here is where the English Language fails badly. The question which arises is this: What beginning, of what creation? When was The Begining Of It?

For sure, there is no way that I am aware of, to set a true Date for this creation. I don't believe that it would Mather either. What is of importance, is Who did what, When?

I will rephrase the Opening state as This. At The Start of This creation of The Heaven and The Earth, The Elohim created it as It Is. Prior to That, It was without Form, and Empty! It was THOUGHT.
Stopping here for an insertion. There was A Man, named Edgar Casey who has passed on. He once said: "Thoughts are Things!" Stop and think on That.
God said LET; and It came to be. LET my thought of This Creation come to pass!

I realize that I have given a very different statement concerning This Creation. I hope however, that this may present more deep thought when reading The Scripture in The Bible.

DeepSeeker

 

[Rhema]

This is why so many do not correctly read what is given in The Bible scriptures, the lack of knowledgeable English.

The Bible wasn't written in English.

 

[Curtis]

If God is "in control" of everything, then why would I need "faith" for anything?

 

[Rhema]

If God is "in control" of everything, then why would I need "faith" for anything?

God lost control a long time ago.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.​

- 1 John 3:7-8 KJV

Our Faith is not in Moses
Our Faith is not in Abraham
Our Faith is not in circumcision.
Our Faith is in that which Christ Taught.

 

[Deep Seeker]

The Bible wasn't written in English.

REMA
That is very true. Also, with each language, creeps in more error. This is just do to the fact that not all things can be correctly translated into another language. Consider the confusion of speech!
Deepseeker