Christ gave his Holy Spirit life for those he suffered for .. . a living sacrifice not dead
Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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I would ask they to what "kind" of deeds? Like a coin there are two sides one hidden and could be the hidden things of darkness, false prophecy false apostles
Un earned deeds of grace is an integral part of our new born again spirit. Its not something we work for to obtain but rather the power of His Holy Spirit working in us to both (The key) hear and same power to do .
Not just hear Every born again believer has that power working in us it simply not of us (powerless). without him we have no power that could please his will
Hebrew 6:9-10But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.;For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
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Rabbit trail
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lol, you can make your mouth say anything
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Why do you say this to me?
Is it because you don't agree with me?
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Why not say it to you, you said something to me. Of course I dont agree with you, and you dont agree with me, so we even
By the evil deeds of the letter of law (death) no man is justified
Takes one to know one
How would you know where the parables that you call rabbit trails lead ?
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Not really I'm right and you're wrong.
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Declared to God given Faith ! 4
Now God given Faith, given in the New Birth, for Faith that Pleases God is not found in the natural man, to it is revealed their declared Justification by the Gospel sent to them Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God[Our Justification] revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The word Righteousness and the Word Just are basically the same word in the original both derived from the word dikaios:
righteous, observing divine laws
a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined
2) innocent, faultless, guiltless
3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life
a) only Christ truly
4) approved of or acceptable of God
b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them
The Knowledge of their Righteousness / Justification before God is revealed to them by the Gospel, and that this was an Matter of fact outside of themselves, and hence they now believe the Truth of it which is the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13. The Gospel in the matter of Salvation is not sent to people to put them in a position to perform a duty or an act to get saved, but its to reveal or make known the Good News of what Christ has accomplished and Established on ones behalf; Because Christ was delivered up unto Death and Divine Justice in their stead and for their transgressions, and when the Law released Him, it was a notification of their discharge; and the Spirit enlightens all those Christ died for of their Justification by Christ's Righteousness charged to them, and so it comes to past that the Just shall live by Faith. The Spirit takes of Christ's [ What He accomplished via His Death / Blood for them]and shows it to them or reveals it to them in or by the Gospel; and it is then God given Faith receives, embraces, appropriates this REVELATION as their Justification and Righteousness before God, and now before their own purged conscience. Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Now God given Faith, given in the New Birth, for Faith that Pleases God is not found in the natural man, to it is revealed their declared Justification by the Gospel sent to them Rom 1:16-17
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God[Our Justification] revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
The word Righteousness and the Word Just are basically the same word in the original both derived from the word dikaios:
righteous, observing divine laws
a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined
2) innocent, faultless, guiltless
3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life
a) only Christ truly
4) approved of or acceptable of God
b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them
The Knowledge of their Righteousness / Justification before God is revealed to them by the Gospel, and that this was an Matter of fact outside of themselves, and hence they now believe the Truth of it which is the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13. The Gospel in the matter of Salvation is not sent to people to put them in a position to perform a duty or an act to get saved, but its to reveal or make known the Good News of what Christ has accomplished and Established on ones behalf; Because Christ was delivered up unto Death and Divine Justice in their stead and for their transgressions, and when the Law released Him, it was a notification of their discharge; and the Spirit enlightens all those Christ died for of their Justification by Christ's Righteousness charged to them, and so it comes to past that the Just shall live by Faith. The Spirit takes of Christ's [ What He accomplished via His Death / Blood for them]and shows it to them or reveals it to them in or by the Gospel; and it is then God given Faith receives, embraces, appropriates this REVELATION as their Justification and Righteousness before God, and now before their own purged conscience. Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
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Thats all in your misguided mind my friend
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How so seeing I have the mind of Christ?
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Thats all in your misguided mind my friend
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I'm not misguided
And I'm not your friend
How about you prove
Everything you post.
Then you can tout it
as to be the truth
See you already got one thing wrong
You called me your friend.
I'm definitely not your friend.
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You are misguided, and you aren't my friend to the tell the truth i was being civil, but more like an enemy u r, Truth cant be proven to the misguided, thats why they misguided.
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Here you are
Disrespecting me
And slandering me
All because I don't agree with you.
I'll tell you what I'll do
I'll debate you
Before the living God
Soul for soul
Life for life
Winner takes all.
The Lord God will decide
Do you accept
This challenge?
Yes or no?
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You disrespected me. I called you friend to keep things civil while in disagreement, then you cut my throat, you should have realized it was just a civil comment. And you are misguided, you have no understanding of Justification and Im explaining my POV, you either agree or you dont
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Justified from all things !
Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The Nature of the Justification that Christ gives to all for whom He died, all the Elect of God or His Body the Church, its Justification from all things which means:
They are Justified from their Transgression in Adam their Natural Head Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
They are Justified from all actual Transgressions they begin t commit from the womb, before conversion and also after conversion.
They are Justified from all their present impurities in the flesh, Yes they are Justified in the court of God's Justice and Righteousness against anything anyone can bring against them even as a legitimate charge !
Illustrated by Joshua the High Priest who had on filthy garments ! Zech 3:1-4
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
All for whom Christ died, the Israel of God, He has taken away their Iniquities from before the Justice of God ! 6
Acts 13:39
And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
The Nature of the Justification that Christ gives to all for whom He died, all the Elect of God or His Body the Church, its Justification from all things which means:
They are Justified from their Transgression in Adam their Natural Head Rom 5:12
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
They are Justified from all actual Transgressions they begin t commit from the womb, before conversion and also after conversion.
They are Justified from all their present impurities in the flesh, Yes they are Justified in the court of God's Justice and Righteousness against anything anyone can bring against them even as a legitimate charge !
Illustrated by Joshua the High Priest who had on filthy garments ! Zech 3:1-4
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
All for whom Christ died, the Israel of God, He has taken away their Iniquities from before the Justice of God ! 6
