A clean house?

[B-A-C]

Matt 12:43 "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44 "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45 "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.'
Luke 11:25 "And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order.
Luke 11:26 "Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."

I have always heard that Christians can be oppressed by demons, but they cannot be possessed by demons.
How did this mans "house" get cleaned? Did he clean it himself? What are "waterless places"?
Matt 25:8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
Matt 25:10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

What does the oil here symbolize? How did they run out? Who are the "dealers" where you buy the oil?
How did they get oil in the first place, before they ran out? Why were those with oil allowed in, but those who raon out of oil
not allowed in?

 

[Dave M]

this is a good debate against OSAS IMO, never looked at it like that before

 

[Twistie]

Matt 12:43 "Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
Matt 12:44 "Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order.
Matt 12:45 "Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.'
Luke 11:25 "And when it comes, it finds it swept and put in order.
Luke 11:26 "Then it goes and takes along seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first."

I have always heard that Christians can be oppressed by demons, but they cannot be possessed by demons.
How did this mans "house" get cleaned? Did he clean it himself? What are "waterless places"?
Matt 25:8 "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
Matt 25:9 "But the prudent answered, 'No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.'
Matt 25:10 "And while they were going away to make the purchase, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
Matt 25:11 "Later the other virgins also came, saying, 'Lord, lord, open up for us.'
Matt 25:12 "But he answered, 'Truly I say to you, I do not know you.'

What does the oil here symbolize? How did they run out? Who are the "dealers" where you buy the oil?
How did they get oil in the first place, before they ran out? Why were those with oil allowed in, but those who raon out of oil
not allowed in?

I believe the oil is the Word of God.. but even more so it's about the relationship one has with him . The dealers are I believe like the pastors preachers n those who cash in on the word yet claim to spread the word but don't follow the word n their followers..

That's the best way I can break down what I hear so to say..

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[B-A-C]

I believe the oil is the Word of God.. but even more so it's about the relationship one has with him . The dealers are I believe like the pastors preachers n those who cash in on the word yet claim to spread the word but don't follow the word n their followers..

OK. Can you "run out of" the word of God?
If the dealers are the "corrupt" Pastors, does it seem odd to you that Jesus would say go get oil from them?
Why not get it from the "good" pastors?

 

[Twistie]

OK. Can you "run out of" the word of God?
If the dealers are the "corrupt" Pastors, does it seem odd to you that Jesus would say go get oil from them?
Why not get it from the "good" pastors?

It's written people will soothe their itchy ears with what they desire n sadly many don't desire the Truth they desire comfort why would one go to man at all for the Word when He is right here with His people??
Unbelief perhaps ??

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[B-A-C]

Heb 10:24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
Heb 10:25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

why would one go to man at all for the Word when He is right here with His people??

This is how many false doctrines get started, I'm not saying this is you, but it is the case for many.

2Pet 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,

Act 8:30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
Act 8:31 And he said, "Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

1Pet 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
1Pet 5:2 shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Mormonism was started by someone who went off in the woods alone. Isolation is usually not a good way to determine doctrine.

 

[Twistie]

Heb 10:24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds,
Heb 10:25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.



This is how many false doctrines get started, I'm not saying this is you, but it is the case for many.

2Pet 1:20 But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,

Act 8:30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, "Do you understand what you are reading?"
Act 8:31 And he said, "Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

1Pet 5:1 Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed,
1Pet 5:2 shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness;

Rom 10:13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

Mormonism was started by someone who went off in the woods alone. Isolation is usually not a good way to determine doctrine.

It's not ones interpretation that's the problem we r to wait on the Lord to reveal.. sadly many won't or don't they will seek man for answers n that's how the false doctrines are started for Abba church is One body.. but all these temples around for people made many lazy they don't seek the Lord for answers but man..
Most just wanna be a leader n collect money for repeating words n many are willing to give money to the people repeating words..
Few serve like we r told to do.. as it is written the one who serves is the greatest n the Messiah served all His children.. His children r to follow His ways not man idk


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[Gothedral]

Few serve like we r told to do.. as it is written the one who serves is the greatest n the Messiah served all His children.. His children r to follow His ways not man idk
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Yeah, all that work done as recorded in the Old Testament was undone in far less than 400 years before God called on Saint John (The Forerunner) to do His will.

Every pastor turning into a modern Judas Iscariot clone gives the Devil victories by leading the lambs to the slaughter.

Seek spiritual discernment, a gift of the Holy Spirit of God. 1st John 4:1 for example.

 

[Twistie]

Yeah, all that work done as recorded in the Old Testament was undone in far less than 400 years before God called on Saint John (The Forerunner) to do His will.

Every pastor turning into a modern Judas Iscariot clone gives the Devil victories by leading the lambs to the slaughter.

Seek spiritual discernment, a gift of the Holy Spirit of God. 1st John 4:1 for example.

If one has no discernment they r surely doomed.. them preachers got some pretty powerful words many got many followers.. sad fact most of them preachers lead their congregation into sin just by following mans traditional ways
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