What would be the right to do - cats having too many offspring

[Peter1]

Well the truth is we exploit them for money - cat mills puppy mills - we pump them out so fast to please ourselves. Respect is need now.That is a real Job today exploiting animals.I think a lot has to change.

 

[Bill]

would it be more right to sterilize a cat or to put the kittens to sleep after the mother stops caring about them?
if the latter they would get a good meal and once theyre tired they will be left to sleep, and never wake up again. no pain or evil involved

im more towards the latter since i dont want to destroy a cats natural functions - and of course we would try to sell off as many kittens as possible
my wife leans towards just sterilizing them, but i cant imagine destroying a living creatures main function is not a sin- i would be pissed if my parents ripped my nuts off me just so i wouldnt have kids because that would frustrate them, my entire life would be meaningless and ive seen this reaction with male dogs as well

if the latter would be done i would be using carbon monoxide which makes you tired and relaxed - if you fall asleep in it you simply dont wake up again - so i know there would be no pain involved

Target practice . At least that's what I told my kids that I'm going to do with all the kittens in the house LOL

 

[zeth4500]

speaks to me of other relational things they might be missing in their lives

absolutely, children is what the average western couple really needs but theyre conditioned to dodge that since theyre a liability.. unlike having a bunch of cats is?

Anyway, I won't necessarily get geese in order to see the mailman running away from them!

no no, they go for anything and anyone. ontop of that if someone tries to break in and they hear a hissing noise- who would really dive into the dark, let alone who would enter a place where someone has geese? nobody i know would feel like thats a safe place to enter
having a feisty but harmless animal would also be a great way to raise strong kids, the world desperately needs that

Why would one take on an animal and then not provide for its "natural" life cycle?

we settled on letting it have one bunch of offspring, then we will try to sell off as many as possible and then spay it since it will then have achieved what it was meant to with its life

but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.

to say... we shouldnt hold the wicked people high? the bible also speaks of never to love an animal more so than another human

 

[Christ4Ever]

Anyway, I won't necessarily get geese in order to see the mailman running away from them!

no no, they go for anything and anyone. ontop of that if someone tries to break in and they hear a hissing noise- who would really dive into the dark, let alone who would enter a place where someone has geese? nobody i know would feel like thats a safe place to enter
having a feisty but harmless animal would also be a great way to raise strong kids, the world desperately needs that

I know. Some say that they're better than dogs for being an alarm to intruders/unwanted in the area.
If it's for that okay, but just for fun? Like seeing the mailman run, nope
However, if you're missing one or two now and again, and the mailman seems to be gaining weight.....

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Jesua888]

Target practice . At least that's what I told my kids that I'm going to do with all the kittens in the house LOL

This is a real dilemma ...
It is good that you view cats as you do humans, when it comes to sterilisation.
However, surely killing the babies would then be likened to aborting (killing) babies up to and at birth, which is allowed by quite a few countries now?
Another thing that I would add, is that letting the mother cat have her babies for a period, would be devastating, as it would be to a human mother?
Just throwing in another point of view : )

 

[Jesua888]

absolutely, children is what the average western couple really needs but theyre conditioned to dodge that since theyre a liability.. unlike having a bunch of cats is?


no no, they go for anything and anyone. ontop of that if someone tries to break in and they hear a hissing noise- who would really dive into the dark, let alone who would enter a place where someone has geese? nobody i know would feel like thats a safe place to enter
having a feisty but harmless animal would also be a great way to raise strong kids, the world desperately needs that


we settled on letting it have one bunch of offspring, then we will try to sell off as many as possible and then spay it since it will then have achieved what it was meant to with its life


to say... we shouldnt hold the wicked people high? the bible also speaks of never to love an animal more so than another human

I did that twice, to a dog who had a litter, then I spayed her; she was devastated! Then to a cat who had a litter, and she left home, and years later she was reported as being "wild" and living in the neighbourhood. So it is a real dilemma, and I do not think that anyone is more correct than another, on this issue.

 

[zeth4500]

Another thing that I would add, is that letting the mother cat have her babies for a period, would be devastating, as it would be to a human mother?

no once theyre raised they dont care about their offspring, but surely if you had them sit and watch as you slowly kill them - of course! but if she simply assumed they went out to have their own independant life and didnt see anything happening, and if that cat didnt feel a single thing that should be considered a neutral

its only us humans that support each other so much, animals are mature at a young age, just like we all used to get married at a young age. women in the biblical times would get married shortly after they were capable of having kids - not psychologically, but biologically capable.
however, we had huge support from the family back then as we tended to help each other out a lot and live together for longer

I did that twice, to a dog who had a litter, then I spayed her; she was devastated!

yea i would be pissed too if someone destroyed me like that, similar to a friends cat who had a vaccine, it was never the same again. it KNEW its whole being had been violated and it just didnt wanna "play" in life anymore, it was a grey and dull creature compared to what it was before

 

[Jesua888]

no once theyre raised they dont care about their offspring, but surely if you had them sit and watch as you slowly kill them - of course! but if she simply assumed they went out to have their own independant life and didnt see anything happening, and if that cat didnt feel a single thing that should be considered a neutral

its only us humans that support each other so much, animals are mature at a young age, just like we all used to get married at a young age. women in the biblical times would get married shortly after they were capable of having kids - not psychologically, but biologically capable.
however, we had huge support from the family back then as we tended to help each other out a lot and live together for longer


yea i would be pissed too if someone destroyed me like that, similar to a friends cat who had a vaccine, it was never the same again. it KNEW its whole being had been violated and it just didnt wanna "play" in life anymore, it was a grey and dull creature compared to what it was before

Just another opinion of killing little kittens; I personally liken it to killing a baby : ( However, where do we draw the line ... a preditor kills my chickens, so do I kill it?

 

[Garee]

Just another opinion of killing little kittens; I personally liken it to killing a baby : ( However, where do we draw the line ... a preditor kills my chickens, so do I kill it?

Animals are not subject to the gospel. They must look to humans as if they were God. if owners are not careful they can have the same kind of mentality

Daniel 4:25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

 

[Jesua888]

Animals are not subject to the gospel. They must look to humans as if they were God. if owners are not careful they can have the same kind of mentality

Daniel 4:25 That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

In reading the whole of Daniel 4, I see that Nebuchadnezzar was removed from his kingdom and sent out to the fields to eat with cattle ... in other words, a lower place of existence. These texts align with my thinking though : )

Proverbs 12 states, "A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal," indicating the importance of caring for animals.

Additionally, the Bible provides guidance on treating animals with kindness and compassion. James 1 mentions that pure and undefiled religion involves caring for widows and orphans, which can be seen as an extension of caring for the vulnerable, including animals.

 

[Garee]

In reading the whole of Daniel 4, I see that Nebuchadnezzar was removed from his kingdom and sent out to the fields to eat with cattle ... in other words, a lower place of existence. These texts align with my thinking though : )

Proverbs 12 states, "A righteous man has regard for the life of his animal," indicating the importance of caring for animals.

Additionally, the Bible provides guidance on treating animals with kindness and compassion. James 1 mentions that pure and undefiled religion involves caring for widows and orphans, which can be seen as an extension of caring for the vulnerable, including animals.

Yes, Christ gave them over to the mind of a beast. Believers have the mind of Christ our husband.

I would suggest the parable in James 1 is reference to the "kind of religion" God puts his good stamp of approval on. Those who are of the household of Christ's labor of love (faith.) And to care for the things of this world to include the animals

James1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows (believers) in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

The best of two worlds

Before born again as the bride of Christ we were all Fatherless widows without a husband Christ

Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

 

[Bill]

This is a real dilemma ...
It is good that you view cats as you do humans, when it comes to sterilisation.
However, surely killing the babies would then be likened to aborting (killing) babies up to and at birth, which is allowed by quite a few countries now?
Another thing that I would add, is that letting the mother cat have her babies for a period, would be devastating, as it would be to a human mother?
Just throwing in another point of view : )

You have no idea how i view cats and people.

Stelization of people is against the vision of God.

And what i said to my children about target practice of kittens was a joke

 

[Jesua888]

fair enough

You have no idea how i view cats and people.

Stelization of people is against the vision of God.

And what i said to my children about target practice of kittens was a joke