What would be the right to do - cats having too many offspring

[zeth4500]

would it be more right to sterilize a cat or to put the kittens to sleep after the mother stops caring about them?
if the latter they would get a good meal and once theyre tired they will be left to sleep, and never wake up again. no pain or evil involved

im more towards the latter since i dont want to destroy a cats natural functions - and of course we would try to sell off as many kittens as possible
my wife leans towards just sterilizing them, but i cant imagine destroying a living creatures main function is not a sin- i would be pissed if my parents ripped my nuts off me just so i wouldnt have kids because that would frustrate them, my entire life would be meaningless and ive seen this reaction with male dogs as well

if the latter would be done i would be using carbon monoxide which makes you tired and relaxed - if you fall asleep in it you simply dont wake up again - so i know there would be no pain involved

 

[Rxlx]

Sterilizing is only a temporary pain and makes for a happier cat and household.

 

[Rhema]

im more towards the latter since i dont want to destroy a cats natural functions

You mean like breathing? So you'd prefer to kill cats. Hey, why not just use them as a blood sacrifice, then?

 

[zeth4500]

You mean like breathing? So you'd prefer to kill cats. Hey, why not just use them as a blood sacrifice, then?

gods creation is perfect and we shouldnt modify it, either by injectable technology or snipping off foreskin hence why i dont want to do any kind of surgery on a cat

 

[Rhema]

gods creation is perfect

Death? disease? cancer? Pain? Blindness? Palsy? (And in this case stupidity.) All of that is perfect?

News Flash - God's creation WAS perfect, before the Fall of Adam and Eve. No longer. It has not been perfect for quite some time now.

If God's creation is perfect now, you should NEVER EVER go to the doctor's or use medicine.

God created life, and to think humans just want to find excuses to kill.

Have your cat spayed or neutered if you don't wish to provide for the life you're letting come into the world. Otherwise you're in disobedience to your God given responsibility of Dominion.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.​

(Genesis 1:26 KJV)

hence why i dont want to do any kind of surgery on a cat

No you just want to murder their offspring as if it was the same as you picking your boogers. That's pretty reprehensible.

Bet you support Euthanasia too.

Maybe you think cats are just like Jews, since you want to gas them. That mindset would get you pretty far up in the Gestapo.

but i cant imagine destroying a living creatures main function is not a sin-

Sounds a bit like pro-abortion after the baby was born. You support that?

I can't imagine that you think destroying the actual LIFE of a living creature isn't a sin.
(Caveat for food and survival.)

If my post sounds angry, I raised three wonderful cats from kittens and they had no problems with being spayed and neutered.

we shouldnt modify it, either by injectable technology

So you would have me murdered then. And have every diabetic die.

Are you a Jehovah's Witness? (If so, I can understand such a stupid idea.)

But you have no right to murder kittens. Period.

Rhema

 

[zeth4500]

you should NEVER EVER go to the doctor's or use medicine.

agree amen

God's creation WAS perfect

no gods creation still is perfect.

Death? disease? cancer? Pain? Blindness? Palsy? (And in this case stupidity.) All of that is perfect?

you can tie most of these to manmade horror "cures" to things that were never a problem in the first place. cancer is largely correlated with electromagnetic radiation and injecting heavymetals into the body to bypass the bodys natural filter mechanisms.
pain is natural and we should be ready to longsuffer as christians.
blindness can be caused by males having low testosterone, ever heard masturbating can make you go blind? well masturbation is a sin and it makes you less of a man- as does wearing glasses before your hair turns grey. the most masculine men dont have eyesight issues because testosterone safeguards eyesight.

No you just want to murder their offspring

thats an assumption

Bet you support Euthanasia too.

i feel that its hard to argue against it for people who are severely disabled, but i think we should rather treat the root cause - unfortunately thats antisemitic

Sounds a bit like pro-abortion after the baby was born. You support that?

no im aware youre not allowed to kill another human

I raised three wonderful cats from kittens

you should be raising kids, the muslims are making fun of western people for not raising kids but instead raising animals - and theyre right in their mockery.

So you would have me murdered then.

what? your assumptions take such wild leaps i sometimes struggle to identify them. i think you have an issue assuming that people really have you on their mind a lot. you shouldnt listen to thoughts, they are of the devil

 

[Rhema]

no gods creation still is perfect.

Then why did GOD himself curse it?
By definition a cursed creation is not perfect.
I'm surprised you're still alive given your thinking abilities.
And I've no more time today to deal with stupid thinking.

ever heard masturbating can make you go blind?

There aren't many bright people in your part of the world are there.

 

[Rhema]

you should be raising kids,

I've raised four children. All of them extremely brilliant.

YOU, should not be raising kids.

 

[Rhema]

what? your assumptions take such wild leaps i sometimes struggle to identify them. i think you have an issue assuming that people really have you on their mind a lot. you shouldnt listen to thoughts, they are of the devil

My apologies for thinking you can think things through. Truly, I hadn't known you were that bad off.

injectable technology

Glad you want diabetcs to die, you Nazi.

There are numerous medical diseases that require injection technology. You are a horrid little monster, kitten killer.

 

[Christ4Ever]

You mean like breathing? So you'd prefer to kill cats. Hey, why not just use them as a blood sacrifice, then?

Is this really helpful and was the last comment here really necessary?

would it be more right to sterilize a cat or to put the kittens to sleep after the mother stops caring about them?
if the latter they would get a good meal and once theyre tired they will be left to sleep, and never wake up again. no pain or evil involved

im more towards the latter since i dont want to destroy a cats natural functions - and of course we would try to sell off as many kittens as possible
my wife leans towards just sterilizing them, but i cant imagine destroying a living creatures main function is not a sin- i would be pissed if my parents ripped my nuts off me just so i wouldnt have kids because that would frustrate them, my entire life would be meaningless and ive seen this reaction with male dogs as well

if the latter would be done i would be using carbon monoxide which makes you tired and relaxed - if you fall asleep in it you simply dont wake up again - so i know there would be no pain involved

In the US you can take animals to a shelter to have them neutered or spaded at no cost or a minimal one. As the caretaker for the animal, you should do what is best for them. Sadly, people when they get animals don't take many things into consideration, and reproduction is one of them.

As far as ripping you nuts off. It is done surgically, and they don't have to worry about showering with others and be laughed at for their lack of equipment which is what humanity has a tendency to do.

If someone is unable to do the necessary work to take care of animals, then they shouldn't get one.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[backNforth]

Wading through Rhema's wandering and insulting diatribe, I note he did hit on the salient point:

Have your cat spayed or neutered if you don't wish to provide for the life you're letting come into the world. Otherwise you're in disobedience to your God given responsibility of Dominion.

Dominion was given to Adam in the garden, and it is conditional. Muck that up, and you lose dominion. (Spaying/neutering is after the fact.)

If someone is unable to do the necessary work to take care of animals, then they shouldn't get one.

Indeed. And that "necessary work" would include effectively managing if, how and when the animal breeds.

 

[Rhema]

Is this really helpful and was the last comment here really necessary?

Pilgrims would purchase cats bred in catteries across Egypt to offer as blood sacrifices to Bastet. This practice, believed to attract the goddess's attention in the afterlife, resulted in the breeding and sacrificing of countless cats.​

From:

The Fascinating History of Cats in Ancient Egypt: From Goddesses to Global Conquest

Discover the captivating history of cats in ancient Egypt, their religious significance, and Egyptian breeding practices.

www.toygers.com

Pagan is as pagan does. You didn't know about the cat mummy sacrifices?
(Thousands....)

 

[Christ4Ever]

Is this really helpful and was the last comment here really necessary?

Pilgrims would purchase cats bred in catteries across Egypt to offer as blood sacrifices to Bastet. This practice, believed to attract the goddess's attention in the afterlife, resulted in the breeding and sacrificing of countless cats.

Sorry I didn't realize you were suggesting that a believer in Christ should start conducting the sacrificing of the cats they have as a solution. A serious viable option then for him to consider! My apologies to you then, though I do wonder the scriptural support for this practice you have brought forward for their consideration.

If that was not the case, then why even add it and so my response to you?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Rhema]

then why even add it

I see we're back to you deleting my entire posts.

 

[Christ4Ever]

I see we're back to you deleting my entire posts.

Never back, always forward brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator/YBIC
Nick
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[zeth4500]

YOU, should not be raising kids.

i may request a bible verse..

Glad you want diabetcs to die, you Nazi.

did you know the jews killed jesus?

There are numerous medical diseases that require injection technology.

are these diseases a righteous christian will have to deal with? many diseases came with the permission of god to punish mankind for their sins, STD's for instance. HIV entirely manmade - with the permission of god
malaria. and now they have created a tick that makes people allergic to meat!
frankly, when i talk to you i just indirectly talk to everyone else because i know you have been sucked far into the idolatry of statism, worshipping the worlds views and the worldly people of hollywood. interestingly statism sounds a lot like satanism - satan, hebrew - to oppose, opponent - opposing GOD. haleluja

Is this really helpful and was the last comment here really necessary?

well it is kinda humorous, if nothing else

As the caretaker for the animal, you should do what is best for them.

sure- we are above animals. but we must still obey the rules set by god. coming to think of it, im gonna get some canadian geese purely for entertainment (they attack anyone on sight.. especially mailman) and some other birds, in which their wings would have to be modified a bit so they cant fly away so i hope thats not a sin because keeping birds without modifying the wings would be very hard

Dominion was given to Adam in the garden, and it is conditional. Muck that up, and you lose dominion. (Spaying/neutering is after the fact.)

so you say spaying makes you lose dominion as its sinful?

effectively managing if, how and when the animal breeds.

as in carbon monoxide- perhaps? each amount of offspring some could be sold off for others to enjoy and ironically, spaying causes pain while carbon monoxide causes no pain at all

offer as blood sacrifices to Bastet.

that doesnt sound very biblical, i suggest you refrain from such acitivities

I see we're back to you deleting my entire posts.

what do you mean, theyre still visible, although not very viable- but visible they .. dare i say, appear to be. haleluja and god bless the righteous.

 

[Rhema]

are these diseases a righteous christian will have to deal with?

Stupidity is indeed the god of this world.

what do you mean, theyre still visible,

He deleted my last post to you. We'll see if the TalkJesus Pope allows this one.

 

[zeth4500]

Stupidity is indeed the god of this world.

well as always a contrast to righteous postings are humorous and interesting in their own way, just as sour isnt a thing without sweet amen.

He deleted my last post to you.

im not sure if i trust it, anyhow he seems very neutral so maybe one should reflect

 

[Christ4Ever]

As the caretaker for the animal, you should do what is best for them.

sure- we are above animals. but we must still obey the rules set by god. coming to think of it, im gonna get some canadian geese purely for entertainment (they attack anyone on sight.. especially mailman) and some other birds, in which their wings would have to be modified a bit so they cant fly away so i hope thats not a sin because keeping birds without modifying the wings would be very hard

Just try to keep environmental considerations at the front of your thoughts on the animals one should have. Praying about it of course should be first!

Sadly, many animals get put down (killed), because owners in their ignorance choose to have animals, they were unable to take care of. Additionally, recognizing the difference between domesticated species and those that have not undergone domestication is as, if not a more important consideration. Add the purpose for the purchase/acquisition as a consideration as well. Too often people just pick animals because "they just want to", speaks to me of other relational things they might be missing in their lives, that animals won't necessarily help with. I say necessarily, because you do have trained service animals that are beneficial to people in need.

Anyway, I won't necessarily get geese in order to see the mailman running away from them!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[backNforth]

so you say spaying makes you lose dominion as its sinful?

I was going to answer this, but then Christ4Ever's latest post basically covered it. It boils down to the reason why one would take on an animal in the first instance. Why would one take on an animal and then not provide for its "natural" life cycle? And then there's a world of difference between keeping a house cat for pleasure and raising livestock for the slaughterhouse. I reckon groups like SPCA (Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) would be a wealth of info about these things (but the Holy Bible would trump them).

as in carbon monoxide- perhaps? each amount of offspring some could be sold off for others to enjoy and ironically, spaying causes pain while carbon monoxide causes no pain at all

When it gets to the point where we feel we need to start killing off the animals, basically because of our mismanagement of them, then things shift a bit toward the spiritual.

A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. (Proverbs 12:10)

Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds. (Proverbs 27:23)

Additionally, recognizing the difference between domesticated species and those that have not undergone domestication is as, if not a more important

Yep.

Sadly, many animals get put down (killed), because owners in their ignorance choose to have animals, they were unable to take care of.

And yep.