I fulfill the law of the Spirit by Faith.
Thus justified.
As it’s works of my Spirit and not of my Flesh. For my flesh can do nothing!
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Thus justified.
As it’s works of my Spirit and not of my Flesh. For my flesh can do nothing!
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The knowledge of good and evil falls short of being Holy. The standard of good or evil both fall short of holy.
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It doesn't. It's just that when you start to categorize everything as either good or evil you become obsessed with the categorizing. If God made them naked and called it very good then
it was and nakedness is no different than fully clothed in His eyes. It's only in ours that we feel the need to cover up in the presence of one another and God. Maybe from simple guilt of what
has been done with the body for them?? Today it's just simply following the rules. I.E. this is what you were taught from a very early age.
No. We are justified because Jesus fulfilled it and died in our place not deserving it for He had never sinned.
That didn't fit the plan. The fall was necessary for them to gain their knowledge of good and evil and to "BECOME LIKE GOD". Remember Jesus was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of
the world to be the sacrifice for the sin of the world. How could that be unless they were intended to fall?
As far as the second half of the question, who says He does? Isaiah 48:8 calls us transgressors from the womb.
How so since God knows both good and evil, as He created both. It's knowing when to use evil to produce good.
Example is God sending judgement upon Israel for their rebellious ways. A form of punishment to turn them back to Him for that is what was in their best interest. Another might be
something like the fornicator being infested with disease to give him/her a taste of the consequence of the action undertook.
Thing is God sends evil even to His elect so that they can forgive it and become more like Him as this is the goal to become just like Jesus who is just like His Father. So in our case
the evil is dispensed to produce a loving (forgiveness ) response in our new spiritual man.
So in short no evil is ever dispensed from His hand without the resultant effect being to mature one into the image of His Son, whether your saved yet or not.
Evil to bring you unto God. Then evil to make you more and more like God.
But in order to understand this you would have to know that everything comes from God and is intended for your good. No chances whatsoever, you just have to see it for what it
is, opportunity.
Romans 8:28 .....All things work to the good for those that love His appearing...... These know it because they are aware of their calling and why they are suffering what they are
suffering.
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The forbidden fruit itself was actually inert; proven by the fact that its chemistry
had no effect upon Eve when she tasted it. It wasn't till Adam ate some that she
became interested in terminating her bottomless lifestyle.
FAQ: Was the first couple totally ignorant of good and evil prior to the incident with
the forbidden fruit?
REPLY: At first glance Genesis 3:22 makes it appear so, but the meaning of that
verse is very subtle and requires an explanation.
Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God; which means Adam came
into existence with a God-given conscience that was able to tell the difference
between good and evil from his maker's perspective. (The ability to evaluate life
from God's point of view is quite an advantage.)
Then along comes the Serpent and assures Eve she would be able to tell the
difference between good and evil with a conscience of her own making; viz: he
convinced Eve that the forbidden fruit would give her the power to reinvent herself.
That's exactly what Gen 3:22 means where it says "the man has become as one of
us" in other words: the Adams made themselves a sovereign divinity similar to, yet
independent of, the sovereign divinity that made them.
• John 10:34 . . Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your Law, "I have said
you are gods"
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had no effect upon Eve when she tasted it. It wasn't till Adam ate some that she
became interested in terminating her bottomless lifestyle.
FAQ: Was the first couple totally ignorant of good and evil prior to the incident with
the forbidden fruit?
REPLY: At first glance Genesis 3:22 makes it appear so, but the meaning of that
verse is very subtle and requires an explanation.
Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God; which means Adam came
into existence with a God-given conscience that was able to tell the difference
between good and evil from his maker's perspective. (The ability to evaluate life
from God's point of view is quite an advantage.)
Then along comes the Serpent and assures Eve she would be able to tell the
difference between good and evil with a conscience of her own making; viz: he
convinced Eve that the forbidden fruit would give her the power to reinvent herself.
That's exactly what Gen 3:22 means where it says "the man has become as one of
us" in other words: the Adams made themselves a sovereign divinity similar to, yet
independent of, the sovereign divinity that made them.
• John 10:34 . . Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your Law, "I have said
you are gods"
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God placed a restriction on that tree for a reason. God forbid Adam and Eve to eat from that tree with the warning they would die if they disobeyed Him which they did. Not only that God removed their access to the tree of life for their disobedience. Another effect was everyone ( except Jesus) since has been born with a sin nature. Scripture says all DIE in Adam and all ( those who place their faith in Jesus) are saved in Jesus. You seemed to miss the part where God said don’t and Satan said do accusing God of being a liar. Satan said God lied and they wouldn’t die , but they did.
Why?
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It is obvious based on the command that God gave NOT to eat it with the consequences that followed for their disobedience I.e. death, ground cursed, pain in child bearing ,and future generations all born with a sin nature.
Can an infant handle the things of an adult?
This is obvious that it can’t. For it would kill it. It can’t even take care of itself, let alone begin to handle Life itself.
So it was was Adam and Eve.
It was a warning for them to not have to suffer. Because they were in a world of duality. Yet we’re still within the One(ness) of God. Once they -partook- of duality(good/evil) they became subject too it! Cause and effect! As they were the ones who introduced death -into- this realm of linearity….They got trapped in it!
And because each produces after it’s own kind, in this realm, so too did death get passed after it’s own kind. For this is the realm of manifestation!
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Their was no duality they disobeyed God and was punished for disobeying God.
Good and evil ARE duality.
Right/Wrong, left/right, up/down, inside/outside…..
It was not a punishment. It was an effect to a cause….
Read the “curse” they suffered!
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I'm not missing anything. God told em no but He placed it there along with the serpent who was wiser than any beast of the field and a deceiver, then dispatched Adam to be away
from Eve so that she could be deceived. It's Adams actual disobedience that got the condemnation on us for it was he who was specifically told not to eat of it.
The entirety of what has happened in the past and what will happen in the future was scripted by the Father before the world was formed. That is part of the truth that sets one free.
Man needs to experience this so that once glorified he will never be disobedient to the Father and live throughout eternity as a mature, educated in good and evil, son of the living God.
Again, it was all planned as it has played out.
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Tell me, would God have placed the curses on them if they had not been disobedient? Was the curse of death a necessity, or was it the payment for gaining that specific knowledge?
Now, without the curses there would be no need for a Jesus, but with them there is dire need, and as He was foreordained before Adam and Eve were ever made, to be the sacrifice
for sin, everything is running according to Gods plan. He intended to reconcile ALL things back to Himself through Jesus, but without first ALL things being condemned there would be
no need for reconciliation.
So did God need them to be disobedient in order to cause the requirement of the sacrifice to come to fruition? Yes
Sometimes you might tell your own child don't touch that hot stove, you'll get burned, knowing full well that some day they will do it just to test your words as to whether they are
true or not. In the end the child gets burned, hopefully not badly but learns a couple of valuable lessons. One you are a truth teller and have more knowledge than them, and 2 if they
touch hot things they'll get burned. In both instances the child gets valuable feedback from the experience and begins to trust what you say in the future.
Now, without the curses there would be no need for a Jesus, but with them there is dire need, and as He was foreordained before Adam and Eve were ever made, to be the sacrifice
for sin, everything is running according to Gods plan. He intended to reconcile ALL things back to Himself through Jesus, but without first ALL things being condemned there would be
no need for reconciliation.
So did God need them to be disobedient in order to cause the requirement of the sacrifice to come to fruition? Yes
Sometimes you might tell your own child don't touch that hot stove, you'll get burned, knowing full well that some day they will do it just to test your words as to whether they are
true or not. In the end the child gets burned, hopefully not badly but learns a couple of valuable lessons. One you are a truth teller and have more knowledge than them, and 2 if they
touch hot things they'll get burned. In both instances the child gets valuable feedback from the experience and begins to trust what you say in the future.
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If God planned for Adam to disobey Him after commanding and warning Adam to not eat off of the tree that would make God a dishonest liar, and He is neither dishonest or a liar.
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No, not a reward.1Co 15:22 - For as in Adam all die,even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Do you consider physical death a reward ? I believe physical death was and is punishment.
An effect to a cause!
For with knowledge comes sorrow and grief! Which bring about death!
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Bad choices have consequences and Adam made a bad choice and God punished Adam for his bad choice.
How did God punish him?
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The fruit of the knowledge did not have any poison in itself, it was their disobedience and their conscience which condemned them.
Fear is the first sign of indwelling sin. Not knowing if being naked was wrong or not is a sign of faithlessness which is also a sin.
Whatever is not of faith is sin. (Romans 14:23)
Fear is the first sign of indwelling sin. Not knowing if being naked was wrong or not is a sign of faithlessness which is also a sin.
Whatever is not of faith is sin. (Romans 14:23)
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For one Adam was kicked out of Eden and lost his access to the tree of life guaranteeing that he would die. Secondly God cursed the ground with a curse making thorns and thistles grow making getting food from the ground a real effort.
Now take that….and apply it inwardly….
And try answering again, how God caused that!
For everything He made, was Goood!
He kicked him out, because he would have lived forever in destruction! It was man himself that cursed the ground, because of his own actions…
