WHO TOLD YOU?

[Truth_seeker2022]

Gen3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ”

What does this mean?

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Gen3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ”

What does this mean?

if you read it in context, meaning, as it is written, the meaning is quite clear.

Please remember the request given to you on another thread regarding this topic.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Beetow]

• Gen 2:25 . .The two of them were naked, the man and his wife, yet they felt no
shame

In other words, there was absolutely nothing in early Man's psyche restraining him
from parading around in full frontal exposure; and actually, neither was there
anything in his psyche encouraging him to; i.e. they weren't exhibitionists by any
stretch of the imagination because in their innocence, Adam and his wife simply
were neither proud of, nor humiliated by, their appearance in the buff.

Adam and his wife felt neither naughty nor perverted by frontal exposure at first,
nor were they self conscious in the slightest respect because as yet they knew no
cultural boundaries, nor were they infected yet with a guilt complex about sex and
the human body; and concepts like vanity and narcissism had no point of reference
in their thinking whatsoever. They had absolutely no natural sense of propriety, nor
were they even aware of any because their creator hadn't taught them anything
about decency yet.

That was an interesting time in early human development. Had somebody scolded
the first couple's appearance; they would no doubt have stared at their critic like a
man taken leave of his senses.

But then; they lost their innocence. (Gen 3:6-7)

• Gen 3:8b-9 . . and the man and his wife hid from The Lord God among the trees
of the garden. The Lord God called out to the man and said to him: Where are you?

Since God is omniscient, "where are you" can be taken to mean: Adam; come out,
come out, wherever you are!

• Gen 3:10 . . He replied: I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid
because I was naked, so I hid.

Adam wasn't totally disrobed; only partially. But in his revised opinion; even that
degree of undress lacked adequate propriety. (Prior to tasting the forbidden fruit,
Adam's original opinion was spot on.)

This incident tells me that even the most seasoned exotic dancer, normally
comfortable disrobed in a room of leering men, would probably want to put
something on should God come thru the door and take a seat around the dance
floor. (cf. John 21:7)

• Gen 3:11 . .Then He asked: Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat of
the tree from which I had forbidden you to eat?

In other words: who said undress is indecent? Where'd you get that idea?

Well; nobody had said undress is indecent, nor even suggested that it's indecent--
the concept of a dress code was unheard of at that time. No; Adam just felt
indecent. In other words; upon tasting the forbidden fruit, Adam's intuition began
misguiding him, i.e. his moral compass went awry.

• Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Man has become as one of us; discerning
good and evil

* Discernment is a good thing when one's conscience is properly trained. (Heb 5:14)
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[Truth_seeker2022]

Greetings,



if you read it in context, meaning, as it is written, the meaning is quite clear.

Please remember the request given to you on another thread regarding this topic.


Bless you ....><>

satan coerced Adam and Eve to choose the forbidden knowledge of good and evil. So he's working through you to prevent others from being delivered from it through faith in Christ's sacrifice. Woe unto you in Jesus' name.

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

• Gen 2:25 . .The two of them were naked, the man and his wife, yet they felt no
shame

In other words, there was absolutely nothing in early Man's psyche restraining him
from parading around in full frontal exposure; and actually, neither was there
anything in his psyche encouraging him to; i.e. they weren't exhibitionists by any
stretch of the imagination because in their innocence, Adam and his wife simply
were neither proud of, nor humiliated by, their appearance in the buff.

Adam and his wife felt neither naughty nor perverted by frontal exposure at first,
nor were they self conscious in the slightest respect because as yet they knew no
cultural boundaries, nor were they infected yet with a guilt complex about sex and
the human body; and concepts like vanity and narcissism had no point of reference
in their thinking whatsoever. They had absolutely no natural sense of propriety, nor
were they even aware of any because their creator hadn't taught them anything
about decency yet.

That was an interesting time in early human development. Had somebody scolded
the first couple's appearance; they would no doubt have stared at their critic like a
man taken leave of his senses.

But then; they lost their innocence. (Gen 3:6-7)

• Gen 3:8b-9 . . and the man and his wife hid from The Lord God among the trees
of the garden. The Lord God called out to the man and said to him: Where are you?

Since God is omniscient, "where are you" can be taken to mean: Adam; come out,
come out, wherever you are!

• Gen 3:10 . . He replied: I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid
because I was naked, so I hid.

Adam wasn't totally disrobed; only partially. But in his revised opinion; even that
degree of undress lacked adequate propriety. (Prior to tasting the forbidden fruit,
Adam's original opinion was spot on.)

This incident tells me that even the most seasoned exotic dancer, normally
comfortable disrobed in a room of leering men, would probably want to put
something on should God come thru the door and take a seat around the dance
floor. (cf. John 21:7)

• Gen 3:11 . .Then He asked: Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat of
the tree from which I had forbidden you to eat?

In other words: who said undress is indecent? Where'd you get that idea?

Well; nobody had said undress is indecent, nor even suggested that it's indecent--
the concept of a dress code was unheard of at that time. No; Adam just felt
indecent. In other words; upon tasting the forbidden fruit, Adam's intuition began
misguiding him, i.e. his moral compass went awry.

• Gen 3:22a . . And the Lord God said: Man has become as one of us; discerning
good and evil

* Discernment is a good thing when one's conscience is properly trained. (Heb 5:14)
_

If as you say staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not sin or indecent, why did they flee to cover with fig leaves?

 

[Beetow]

If as you say staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not sin or indecent,
why did they flee to cover with fig leaves?

They made themselves loin cloths immediately upon Adam's tasting the forbidden
fruit before God came calling; which tells me that they became uncomfortable
exposing themselves even to each other let alone visitors.
_

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

They made themselves loin cloths immediately upon Adam's tasting the forbidden
fruit before God came calling; which tells me that they became uncomfortable
exposing themselves even to each other let alone visitors.
_

Why they became uncomfortable?

 

[Jarhead0311]

If as you say staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is not sin or indecent, why did they flee to cover with fig leaves?

Adam and Eve changed when they disobeyed God. They received exactly what God told they they would receive if they disobeyed Him they received the knowledge of good and evil( which falls short of holy)., and their innocence was lost.

 

[Luminary]

Gen3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from? ”

What does this mean?

They became aware of the “sin” that Showed them their shame. Because of the knowledge that had consumed.

 

[Luminary]

Adam and Eve changed when they disobeyed God. They received exactly what God told they they would receive if they disobeyed Him they received the knowledge of good and evil( which falls short of holy)., and their innocence was lost.

If the Tree of good and evil (of Knowledge) was planted by God himself, along with the Tree of Life, then why would this knowledge fall short of holy?

 

[Beetow]

Why they became uncomfortable?

Their newly acquired knowledge of good and evil impressed upon them that full
frontal nudity is indecent; which is interesting because I have yet to find full frontal
nudity either condemned or banned anywhere in the Bible. I'm not insisting there is
no prohibition against it; just that I've yet to find one.

Anyway: the couple's reaction with the fig leaves tells me that the understanding
of good and evil that Adam obtained by means of the forbidden fruit is somewhat
different than God's understanding of good and evil. It's like two guitars strung with
exactly the same strings but adjusted out of tune with each other just enough to
effect their harmony.
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[Truth_seeker2022]

Their newly acquired knowledge of good and evil impressed upon them that full
frontal nudity is indecent; which is interesting because I have yet to find full frontal
nudity either condemned or banned anywhere in the Bible. I'm not insisting there is
no prohibition against it; just that I've yet to find one.

Anyway: the couple's reaction with the fig leaves tells me that the understanding
of good and evil that Adam obtained by means of the forbidden fruit is somewhat
different than God's understanding of good and evil. It's like two guitars strung with
exactly the same strings but adjusted out of tune with each other just enough to
effect their harmony.
_

You mean to say they acquired moral knowledge which told them being unclothed in God's most holy presence is sin?

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

They became aware of the “sin” that Showed them their shame. Because of the knowledge that had consumed.

You mean to say they acquired moral knowledge which told them they were guilty of staying unclothed in God's most holy presence?

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

If the Tree of good and evil (of Knowledge) was planted by God himself, along with the Tree of Life, then why would this knowledge fall short of holy?

So why Jesus die to deliver us from the moral law (Romans7:6: "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held).

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

Adam and Eve changed when they disobeyed God. They received exactly what God told they they would receive if they disobeyed Him they received the knowledge of good and evil( which falls short of holy)., and their innocence was lost.

Did they begin to understand tbat staying unclothed in God's most holy presence is sin? Was that the reason they fled to be clothed?

 

[Luminary]

You mean to say they acquired moral knowledge which told them they were guilty of staying unclothed in God's most holy presence?

Yes, they acquired moral and Immoral knowledge, (had to contrast) which showed Them their guilt(or regret)

God covered them, to take away their shame. First physically. Then spiritually once they came to a place to be able to understand fully.

 

[Luminary]

So why Jesus die to deliver us from the moral law (Romans7:6: "But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held).

It was the law of sin and death that he died to free us from, and to live from the law of the Spirit of Life that sets one free from the law of sin and death…

Romans 8
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death”

We Establish the Law! And fulfill it through Love. Which is the highest Moral Law there is. Compassionate action! With a heart of integrity! Not for gains of the Flesh.

(Please read the whole book of Romans- as it explains this very thing)

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

It was the law of sin and death that he died to free us from, and to live from the law of the Spirit of Life that sets one free from the law of sin and death…

Romans 8
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death”

We Establish the Law! And fulfill it through Love. Which is the highest Moral Law there is. Compassionate action! With a heart of integrity! Not for gains of the Flesh.

(Please read the whole book of Romans- as it explains this very thing)

You mean to say you are justified before God by fulfilling the moral law?

 

[Truth_seeker2022]

Yes, they acquired moral and Immoral knowledge, (had to contrast) which showed Them their guilt(or regret)

God covered them, to take away their shame. First physically. Then spiritually once they came to a place to be able to understand fully.

So why didn't God create try them with the moral law in the first place? Why does God create all babies without the moral law?

 

[Luminary]

So why didn't God create try them with the moral law in the first place? Why does God create all babies without the moral law?

That is a question for God.