Eat my flesh, drink my blood

[Garee]

Jesus did go through the trouble of explaining the parable of the Sower to His disciples. So just because a believer does not understand nor rightly divide the word of truth now, it does not mean they never will.

In the case of eating His flesh and drinking His blood in John 6th chapter, it was never about communion but about believing in His crucifixion how we are saved by believing in Him & His words.
Jesus referred also to His ascension to His disciples before the majority of them had departed in that chapter as if would they believe in Him then.

John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Believers that apply His words as if eating my flesh and drinking my blood as referring to communion would be turning the bread & wine into idolatry rather than what God had meant in referring to and indeed what communion is to be referring to also; His crucifixion, thus proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes in remembrance of him only... thus having eyes to see and ears to hear as when His words are used as symbolic rather than literally.

Amen...

 

[Rhema]

You weren't defending your beliefs that John the baptizer doubted?

No one asks unless they doubt.

 

[Rhema]

“So he sent a message out. Now this kind of message is called “paving”.”

"Paving" what the crap.

PS. How about that Aroma! Can you smell it?

In most all of your posts, dear sir.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

John did NOT DOUBT after hearing from Jesus.

Never said he did.

 

[Rhema]

Right, but from what you wrote you defended what you said about him doubting, even after I said he didn't doubt after he was told.

You changed the time referent in the middle of our discussion. (Naughty of you.)

John tB doubted.

Rhema

 

[PloughBoy]

"Paving" what the crap.


In most all of your posts, dear sir.

Rhema

Glad to hear that.
“ fertilizer”!

 

[God's Truth]

I did not say after. It why he sent messenger to overcome his doubt.

It is not a doubt like Thomas, because Thomas doubted until he saw for himself.
John the baptizer didn't know so he asked, and then he believed.
I just think saying John doubted gives the wrong impression.
The scriptures plainly say Thomas doubted but does not say John did.
Let's only go by the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

Amen...

GodB4Us goes against eating the flesh. He only goes for drinking his blood.

 

[God's Truth]

No one asks unless they doubt.

No...for Thomas was told but doubted after being told the truth.
John wondered and suspected and didn't doubt.
Let's only go by the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

"Paving" what the crap.


In most all of your posts, dear sir.

Rhema

Okay, some funny deserved cut backs on ploughboy. lol

 

[God's Truth]

Never said he did.

But you did say he doubted.
The scriptures don't say he doubted just because he asked.
Stay only with the scriptures.
Thomas doubted AFTER being TOLD.

 

[God's Truth]

You changed the time referent in the middle of our discussion. (Naughty of you.)

John tB doubted.

Rhema

I did nothing naughty, shame on you for saying such a thing.
I changed nothing.

YOU SAID HE DOUBTED. That is NOT scripture.
Your reasoning is beyond flawed in this.
Maybe check yourself, naughty naughty.

Stop saying John the baptizer doubted.
That is not scripture.
Thomas doubted and that is scripture.
Speak only according to the scriptures.

 

[God's Truth]

Glad to hear that.
“ fertilizer”!

You like fertilizer talk.
Is that where your name comes from?

 

[Shaolin]

When Jesus talked about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, He was speaking on two different terms. First, He was alluding to the covenant meal of Communion before He actually instituted it at the last supper. Second, He was telling the people that in order to have eternal life, they had to participate in Him, that is, sharing a meal with people in the ancient near east meant that you both are in personal relationship. If you didn't like a person, then you didn't eat with him, because if you did it symbolized that you two were at least friends. A person who is not engaging God in personal relationship through prayer, worship, and obedience, is NOT in Christ...he does not have eternal life.

Union with God in Christ is what gives a person eternal life. Union means that we are walking with God on His terms, in covenant relationship. The use of the word pictures of His consuming His flesh and blood means that we need to take Christ as the most important thing in order to maintain life...which is food and water. If you do not participate in eating and drinking, then you will die physically. If you do not partake of Christ on a daily basis in His Word, prayer, worship, and obedience, then we, too, will die spiritually.

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[Rhema]

John the baptizer didn't know

??

Didn't know what? If Jesus was the one?

(John 1:29 KJV) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.​

This doesn't sound like John didn't know.

Let's only go by the scriptures.

Then same here:

(Matthew 3:13-14 KJV) Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?​

Does that sound like John "didn't know" ??

Here is what led to the "doubt" of John tB:

(Matthew 9:14 KJV) Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?​

(Mark 2:18 KJV) And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?​

(Luke 5:33 KJV) And they said unto him, Why do the disciples of John fast often, and make prayers, and likewise the disciples of the Pharisees; but thine eat and drink?​

If they didn't think it was a problem, there would have been no need to ask. There was doubt because of Jesus' behaviour - the lack of fasting and prayers, the eating and drinking with publicans and sinners.

(Luke 7:33-34 KJV) For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!​

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(Luke 7:18-20 KJV) And the disciples of John shewed him (John) of all these things (including the behaviours). And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?​

(Matthew 11:2-3 KJV) Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?​

One doesn't ask "are you he" or go "looking for another" if one doesn't have doubts.

But I get it, you want to paint John the Baptist as some hero figure of yours.

Let's only go by the scriptures.

I just did. It's now your turn.

Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

??

Didn't know what? If Jesus was the one?

(John 1:29 KJV) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.​

This doesn't sound like John didn't know.

Sounds like he found out and knew after he asked.
We have to be able to reason.
You admitted just a few posts ago that he asked, now you forget?!

 

[Rhema]

Sounds like he found out and knew after he asked.
We have to be able to reason.
You admitted just a few posts ago that he asked, now you forget?!

I remember this kind of semantic dance with you.

I decline further participation and would suggest you follow your own posts more closely.

Rhema

 

[Garee]

Jesus did go through the trouble of explaining the parable of the Sower to His disciples. So just because a believer does not understand nor rightly divide the word of truth now, it does not mean they never will.

In the case of eating His flesh and drinking His blood in John 6th chapter, it was never about communion but about believing in His crucifixion how we are saved by believing in Him & His words.
Jesus referred also to His ascension to His disciples before the majority of them had departed in that chapter as if would they believe in Him then.

John 6:60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Believers that apply His words as if eating my flesh and drinking my blood as referring to communion would be turning the bread & wine into idolatry rather than what God had meant in referring to and indeed what communion is to be referring to also; His crucifixion, thus proclaiming the Lord's death till He comes in remembrance of him only... thus having eyes to see and ears to hear as when His words are used as symbolic rather than literally.

Amen...

I did nothing naughty, shame on you for saying such a thing.
I changed nothing.

YOU SAID HE DOUBTED. That is NOT scripture.
Your reasoning is beyond flawed in this.
Maybe check yourself, naughty naughty.

Stop saying John the baptizer doubted.
That is not scripture.
Thomas doubted and that is scripture.
Speak only according to the scriptures.

Doubt is not the opposite of faith .All Christians can doubt daily . Un-belief (no faith or faithless ) is the opposite of doubt .

John had doubt and is why he sought a answer and was given a gospel kiss from above .

Proverbs 24:26 Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.

Thomas doubted until he was given answer

Jesus did not say do not doubt but rather said. . . Be not faithless, but believing. Having believed he confessed with his tongue .

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Believing takes away unbelief and leaves no doubt or wondering

 

[God's Truth]

I remember this kind of semantic dance with you.

I decline further participation and would suggest you follow your own posts more closely.

Rhema

Your memory isn't too well, and I am no dancer.

 

[God's Truth]

Doubt is not the opposite of faith .All Christians can doubt daily . Un-belief (no faith or faithless ) is the opposite of doubt .

Speak for yourself. Where do you get Christian doubt daily? Give the scripture that says that exact thing, or the scriptures together that imply that.

John had doubt and is why he sought a answer and was given a gospel kiss from above .

John didn't know and asked.
He did not doubt after being told.

Proverbs 24:26 Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.

Thomas doubted until he was given answer

No, Thomas doubted after he was told.
Some learn from experience and some from knowledge.
The one who forsakes the knowledge given and suffers through it is not wise.

Jesus did not say do not doubt but rather said. . . Be not faithless, but believing. Having believed he confessed with his tongue .

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Believing takes away unbelief and leaves no doubt or wondering

The scripture plainly say Thomas doubted. The scriptures plainly said John asked.