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No one can ever present The Gospel According to Jesus Christ properly until they fully understand The Judgment of GOD

PloughBoy

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New American Standard Bible
Luke 12:51
Do you think that I came to provide peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division;

American Standard Version
Matthew 10:34 ASV
Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

[ In essence his Father sent him to save some, and warn others about His Father]
 
Matthew 10:34-39
NASB 1977
“Do Not Think”
“DO NOT THINK”

34Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did NOT come to bring peace, but a sword.35“For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD. 37“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38“And he who does not take his CROSS and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.39“He who has found his life shall lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake shall find it.
 
Complete: come on, I know you want to say something. Come on outside and play.
:p
 
'Do you suppose that I have come to give peace on earth?
I tell you, no, but rather division.'
(Luke 12:51 MKJV)

'Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth.
I did not come to send peace, but a sword.
For I have come to set a man against his father,
and the daughter against her mother,
and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
And a man's foes shall be those of his own household.
He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
He who finds his life shall lose it.
And he who loses his life for My sake shall find it.'
(Mat 10:34-39)

Hi @PloughBoy,

How did you know I was trying to compile a response? :)

The Lord's words in Matthew 10:34-39, comes in the section of Matthew where the Kingdom and the king is being proclaimed (4:12 - 16:20): and all through this section, teaching is followed by opposition. From the Pharisees (12:1-8) of His own kindred (13:54-58) the Pharisees again (15:12-20) and then the opposition is complete (16:13-16), The Lord, the Messiah is declared (16:17-20). and what follows is the rejection of the Kingdom and the King (16:21 - 26:35).

The Lord Jesus shows the divisive effect of the Truth that He came to proclaim, for truth cannot live alongside error and falsehood, and this must be faced. It is easy to say that Christ came to bring peace, but peace can come only when sin has been removed. There can be no peace between Him and those who choose to be His enemies, no matter what the human relationship is.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'Do you suppose that I have come to give peace on earth?
I tell you, no, but rather division.'
(Luke 12:51 MKJV)

'Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth.
I did not come to send peace, but a sword.
For I have come to set a man against his father,
and the daughter against her mother,
and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
And a man's foes shall be those of his own household.
He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me.
He who finds his life shall lose it.
And he who loses his life for My sake shall find it.'
(Mat 10:34-39)

Hi @PloughBoy,

How did you know I was trying to compile a response? :)

The Lord's words in Matthew 10:34-39, comes in the section of Matthew where the Kingdom and the king is being proclaimed (4:12 - 16:20): and all through this section, teaching is followed by opposition. From the Pharisees (12:1-8) of His own kindred (13:54-58) the Pharisees again (15:12-20) and then the opposition is complete (16:13-16), The Lord, the Messiah is declared (16:17-20). and what follows is the rejection of the Kingdom and the King (16:21 - 26:35).

The Lord Jesus shows the divisive effect of the Truth that He came to proclaim, for truth cannot live alongside error and falsehood, and this must be faced. It is easy to say that Christ came to bring peace, but peace can come only when sin has been removed. There can be no peace between Him and those who choose to be His enemies, no matter what the human relationship is.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Ok, still trying to stay in your comfort zone and safe zone. And I do see you deleted something. Let me see if I can squeeze you a little bit more, if you don’t mind.

Well, since and still you mention The Book of Matthew also, let’s us keep that Book in the back drop.
“meaning “The presenting of The King, with a light hint of “The Kingdom of Heaven”:p

What do you think, Or how it will be in The “Millennium”, will it be “Peace” if so, how far will That Peace “Reign” across The “Globe”?

That ain’t no trick question. And may I ask, who will be The Ruler or Rulers or King or kings, across “The UK” and all The Rest? Who is The King? And how far will His “Kingdom Rule”! And I ain’t talking about “Matthew”.

I know you got something else back there. Show me. Be cause I am going to put the Squeeze on you. And I do not want that plain “wine”, I want the good stuff, “Vintage Wine”.

Contemporary English Version
No one wants new wine after drinking old wine. They say, "The old wine is better.":blush:
 
@PloughBoy said:-

What do you think, Or how it will be in The “Millennium”, will it be “Peace” if so, how far will That Peace “Reign” across The “Globe”?​
That ain’t no trick question. And may I ask, who will be The Ruler or Rulers or King or kings, across “The UK” and all The Rest? Who is The King? And how far will His “Kingdom Rule”!​
I know you got something else back there. Show me. Be cause I am going to put the Squeeze on you. And I do not want that plain “wine”, I want the good stuff, “Vintage Wine”.​
No one wants new wine after drinking old wine. They say, "The old wine is better.​
Hello @PloughBoy,

The King is He Whose name is 'The Word (Revelation 19:13) and Who is called both King of kings and Lord of lords (Revelation 19:16).
The time of the assumption of Crown and Sceptre is given in Revelation 11:15 as the days of the sounding of the seventh trumpet when

'The kingdoms of this world
are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of His Christ;
and He shall reign for ever and ever.'


He will rule the 'nations' (that is the extent of it) with a rod of iron. (Psalm 2). He comes in righteousness to make war (Revelation 19).

The reign of Christ extends beyond the 1,000 years of the Millennial reign of the Overcomers with Christ. 'For He must reign until He hath put all enemies under His feet.' ( 1 Corinthians 15:25). 'And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.' (1 Corinthians 15:28) .

The millennial kingdom is Israel's sphere of blessedness wherein all the promises made to them as a peculiar People to the Lord shall be fulfilled. Peace will reign there, within Israel, for 'they shall not hurt or destroy in all my Holy Mountain'. (Isaiah 65 and Isaiah 11) . 'Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon THEE. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the EARTH, and gross darkness the PEOPLES, but the LORD shall arise upon THEE, and His glory shall be seen upon THEE.' (Isaiah 60:1-2) . The Lord's House shall be a house of prayer for all nations.

* I have much to learn about the Millennium, PloughBoy, (I thank you for the questions, for it has brought my mind back to it, I had become diverted, and left my study of it).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Ok, you are ok. I tried to prepare you for this awhile back but you wouldn’t take the bait.

Now we are going the hard way! Narrow path. You put a lot out there. Ok.

Let’s do a little free mountain climbing meaning no ropes.

During the Millennium period, when Jesus is reigning is it not from the New Jerusalem him clothe and the saints are clothe in a “Glorified body” reign ing in a Glorified Jerusalem. That has 12 gates to this city, A glorified Throne! Him sitting on the Throne of David. Then why would the nations of the 4 corners of The World who have lived at peace under The Son of GOD who is Ruling with “Iron scepter” for over a Thousand years now turns in “Rebellion” against The Son of The Living GOD! Why would they turn from peace to violence? Or did they , “These nations still practice rebellion while we “Reign” on the earth during The Millennium period.

Is this why we are “Reigning with The LORD with a “Iron Scepter”. Is this why, those within The City The New Jerusalem can go in and out through the 12 gates and many cannot come into The City, The New Jerusalem that came out of The sky.

Note: You threw a lot out, so am I.

Now, do your own reading of “The Book”. I did say “THE BOOK” The Volume of The BOOK.

Not others assessments of these events. For if you do you will “Contaminate” your findings.

Be careful of Systematic study of The Book of Revelations.
Old Testament view of The New Jerusalem. Is there. The Earth will always be corrupted, Old Jerusalem will always be corrupted it’s Throne will always be Corrupted, For Christ cannot sit upon a “Corrupted” Throne, For Christ can never Reign from a Corrupted City” For Christ can never Rule among “Corrupted” People!
The Old Jerusalem is not The Beloved City of GOD and it can never be, for it is a city made by the hands of a man, it is a earthly creation! And it can never be The City of GOD and His Christ! That City on earth will turn to dust and will blow away and be no more. For it was made for destruction!

The LORD [GOD the FATHER] said unto My “Lord” sit on MY Right Hand, Till I Put Thine enemies underneath Thy Feet!

NASB 1977
And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Note: in reality only one enemy left.
“Death”!

Note: Adam is not complete in The Beginning he is Complete at The End.

New King James Version
And He said to me, “It is DONE! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

Some may say: Did it take all of That to get to here? It took all of that, to get here. “Complete”.

All , “Every “Iota” plan By GOD, from Genesis to The Revelation of Jesus Christ who is The Salvation of GOD” for mankind.

NASB 1977
“And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved.”

This time your work is cut out for you.

No “regurgitation”

Give me what you got. Please no second hand pastries.
 
During the Millennium period, when Jesus is reigning is it not from the New Jerusalem him clothe and the saints are clothe in a “Glorified body” reigning in a Glorified Jerusalem. That has 12 gates to this city, A glorified Throne! Him sitting on the Throne of David. Then why would the nations of the 4 corners of The World who have lived at peace under The Son of GOD who is Ruling with “Iron scepter” for over a Thousand years now turns in “Rebellion” against The Son of The Living GOD! Why would they turn from peace to violence? Or did they , “These nations still practice rebellion while we “Reign” on the earth during The Millennium period.

Is this why we are “Reigning with The LORD with a “Iron Scepter”. Is this why, those within The City The New Jerusalem can go in and out through the 12 gates and many cannot come into The City, The New Jerusalem that came out of The sky.
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Be careful of Systematic study of The Book of Revelations.
Old Testament view of The New Jerusalem. Is there. The Earth will always be corrupted, Old Jerusalem will always be corrupted it’s Throne will always be Corrupted, For Christ cannot sit upon a “Corrupted” Throne, For Christ can never Reign from a Corrupted City” For Christ can never Rule among “Corrupted” People!
The Old Jerusalem is not The Beloved City of GOD and it can never be, for it is a city made by the hands of a man, it is an earthly creation! And it can never be The City of GOD and His Christ! That City on earth will turn to dust and will blow away and be no more. For it was made for destruction!
[/QUOTE]

The LORD [GOD the FATHER] said unto My “Lord” sit on MY Right Hand, Till I Put Thine enemies underneath Thy Feet!

NASB 1977
And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Note: in reality only one enemy left.
“Death”!

Note: Adam is not complete in The Beginning he is Complete at The End.

New King James Version
And He said to me, “It is DONE! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

Some may say: Did it take all of That to get to here? It took all of that, to get here. “Complete”.

All , “Every “Iota” plan By GOD, from Genesis to The Revelation of Jesus Christ who is The Salvation of GOD” for mankind.

NASB 1977
“And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved.”
This time your work is cut out for you.
No “regurgitation”

Give me what you got. Please no second hand pastries.
Hello @PloughBoy,

Thank you for your response. :)

* Only Revelation 20 names the 1,000 year Kingdom, and it is the standard against which all prophetic findings must be measured, I believe, in order to ensure that it conforms to the detail and conditions revealed there. For light on the millennium may be gathered from Daniel, Isaiah or the Psalms, but not all that looks as though it belongs in that period of time, does in fact fit the facts of Revelation 20,

* I believe that the period of 1,000 years is literal, if for no other reason than that it is repeated at least six times in verses 1-8 of that chapter.

* Satan will be bound during this period, so there will be no external tempting influence (Revelation 20:1-3).

'And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls
of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.'

(Rev 20:4)

* In verse 4, John sees thrones, 'and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them' (v. 4). Who are the 'they' who are enthroned in this verse? and what judgment do they exercise, and unto whom? These are quite separate from those described in the rest of the verse, who have part in the first of the two resurrections mentioned there, aren't they?

* Daniel 7:21 gives us an insight into who they are, and the judgment they are given:-

' I beheld, and the same horn (the beast) made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High
;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.'

(Dan 7:21-22)

'I beheld till the thrones were cast down (ie., 'set' or 'placed'),
and the Ancient of days did sit,
whose garment was white as snow,
and the hair of His head like the pure wool:
His throne was like the fiery flame,
and His wheels as burning fire.'

(Daniel 7:9)

* They are described as seated upon thrones, and judgment is given unto them. It would seem that they are given judgment, or the right or power whereby to execute judgement, regarding those who are resurrected in that first resurrection, thereby officially declaring them worthy of the honour being bestowed upon them, to reign with Christ for the 1,000 years, who in due time shall be avenged of their enemies and awarded their position in glory.

* The words, 'they sat', I believe must be taken as including God and Christ, and the seven spirits of Revelation 1:4 and 1 Timothy 5:21, where they are united, as well as in Matthew 25:31:-

'When the Son of man shall come in His glory,
and all the holy angels with Him,
then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:'


* That throne is here seen placed for judgment immediately before the Millennium, and in connection with the 'first resurrection.' That throne is referred to in Joel 3:12; Jeremiah 3:17, Daniel 7:18 & 22. Then will take place, not merely the judgment and vindication of the martyred saints of the Tribulation, but that of the living nations (or Gentiles, as described in Matthew 25:31).

* That throne, as well as the thrones of the twelve apostles, are seen here placed for judgment according to Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30. Take a look also at Psalm 122:5; Ezekiel 43:7; Zechariah 6:13, Isaiah 32:1-4. Christ will have come, not only to 'make war,' but to 'judge'; for, 'in righteousness He doth judge and make war' (19:11).

* This is just the beginning of my study on this subject, I am sorry if I have not answered your questions yet, but I can do no other than start at the beginning and work my way through.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 


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Hello @PloughBoy,

Thank you for your response. :)

* Only Revelation 20 names the 1,000 year Kingdom, and it is the standard against which all prophetic findings must be measured, I believe, in order to ensure that it conforms to the detail and conditions revealed there. For light on the millennium may be gathered from Daniel, Isaiah or the Psalms, but not all that looks as though it belongs in that period of time, does in fact fit the facts of Revelation 20,

* I believe that the period of 1,000 years is literal, if for no other reason than that it is repeated at least six times in verses 1-8 of that chapter.

* Satan will be bound during this period, so there will be no external tempting influence (Revelation 20:1-3).

'And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls
of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.'

(Rev 20:4)

* In verse 4, John sees thrones, 'and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them' (v. 4). Who are the 'they' who are enthroned in this verse? and what judgment do they exercise, and unto whom? These are quite separate from those described in the rest of the verse, who have part in the first of the two resurrections mentioned there, aren't they?

* Daniel 7:21 gives us an insight into who they are, and the judgment they are given:-

' I beheld, and the same horn (the beast) made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High
;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.'

(Dan 7:21-22)

'I beheld till the thrones were cast down (ie., 'set' or 'placed'),
and the Ancient of days did sit,
whose garment was white as snow,
and the hair of His head like the pure wool:
His throne was like the fiery flame,
and His wheels as burning fire.'

(Daniel 7:9)

* They are described as seated upon thrones, and judgment is given unto them. It would seem that they are given judgment, or the right or power whereby to execute judgement, regarding those who are resurrected in that first resurrection, thereby officially declaring them worthy of the honour being bestowed upon them, to reign with Christ for the 1,000 years, who in due time shall be avenged of their enemies and awarded their position in glory.

* The words, 'they sat', I believe must be taken as including God and Christ, and the seven spirits of Revelation 1:4 and 1 Timothy 5:21, where they are united, as well as in Matthew 25:31:-

'When the Son of man shall come in His glory,
and all the holy angels with Him,
then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:'


* That throne is here seen placed for judgment immediately before the Millennium, and in connection with the 'first resurrection.' That throne is referred to in Joel 3:12; Jeremiah 3:17, Daniel 7:18 & 22. Then will take place, not merely the judgment and vindication of the martyred saints of the Tribulation, but that of the living nations (or Gentiles, as described in Matthew 25:31).

* That throne, as well as the thrones of the twelve apostles, are seen here placed for judgment according to Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30. Take a look also at Psalm 122:5; Ezekiel 43:7; Zechariah 6:13, Isaiah 32:1-4. Christ will have come, not only to 'make war,' but to 'judge'; for, 'in righteousness He doth judge and make war' (19:11).

* This is just the beginning of my study on this subject, I am sorry if I have not answered your questions yet, but I can do no other than start at the beginning and work my way through.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

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I will get back with you just relaxing now, and getting quiet in my spirit, and chit chatting with my older daughter. As she cleans up the front rooms, And letting you ponder of the things you have said. But I am still light year ahead of you. And have already participated your move.

“why, how, and when”?

Why, one body in Christ

How, The Spirit of The Living God.

When, before the Foundations of The Universe.

Before you was in your “Mothers womb I Knew you”

For, you know “Our Father knew all of us before “Time” existed. For are created with The Same Substance.

PS. Do you know how to play chess?

Oh, you might like my next move. “I like playing with you, we are going to be good friends throughout “Eternity”. And “Shining” brighter than than The SUN. And where ever The Sons of GOD go or plant their presence, There will be no darkness, Why? Because we will be There!

New American Standard Bible
Or does the potter not have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one object for honorable use, and another for common use?
 
Judgement- Both the Greek words krisis and gnome have been translated as judgement. Krisis means "a separation, then a decision". Krisis in English is crisis meaning "a time of great
trouble, a turning point"
Gnome- "a way of knowing, to know"

If I were to combine these 2 words I would get "a time of great trouble that causes a separation unto a way of knowing that leads to a decision? "

The judgement of God always has a higher purpose than simple punitive retribution. "My ways are higher than your ways" and "All things work to the good of those that love His appearing"

When judgement comes into your life can you recognize it as from the Father for your benefit? We are to be sanctified by the word and the righteous judgements of God on our behalf
brings sanctification to those whom he is separating from the chaff!


Hebrew SHAPHAT translated as "judgement, or to plead, defend, protect, vindicate, decide, govern " Even used as a name Shaphat the son of Hori. Numbers 13:5

shin-pey-tet teeth-mouth-basket So crush like teeth-open like a mouth-and reveal what is concealed.

Sounds similar to Greek

Could we say that shaphat is the crushing of your old nature and opening up a new world through what is revealed in the words of the Book spoken by God?
"Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind"

So whether Greek or Hebrew both translations can lead one to an understanding of righteous judgements leading to separation of the wheat from the chaff, thus sanctification!

Just tossing in a few cents worth for the discussion.
 


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Hello @PloughBoy,

Thank you for your response. :)

* Only Revelation 20 names the 1,000 year Kingdom, and it is the standard against which all prophetic findings must be measured, I believe, in order to ensure that it conforms to the detail and conditions revealed there. For light on the millennium may be gathered from Daniel, Isaiah or the Psalms, but not all that looks as though it belongs in that period of time, does in fact fit the facts of Revelation 20,

* I believe that the period of 1,000 years is literal, if for no other reason than that it is repeated at least six times in verses 1-8 of that chapter.

* Satan will be bound during this period, so there will be no external tempting influence (Revelation 20:1-3).

'And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls
of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again
until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with Him a thousand years.'

(Rev 20:4)

* In verse 4, John sees thrones, 'and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them' (v. 4). Who are the 'they' who are enthroned in this verse? and what judgment do they exercise, and unto whom? These are quite separate from those described in the rest of the verse, who have part in the first of the two resurrections mentioned there, aren't they?

* Daniel 7:21 gives us an insight into who they are, and the judgment they are given:-

' I beheld, and the same horn (the beast) made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them;
Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High
;
and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.'

(Dan 7:21-22)

'I beheld till the thrones were cast down (ie., 'set' or 'placed'),
and the Ancient of days did sit,
whose garment was white as snow,
and the hair of His head like the pure wool:
His throne was like the fiery flame,
and His wheels as burning fire.'

(Daniel 7:9)

* They are described as seated upon thrones, and judgment is given unto them. It would seem that they are given judgment, or the right or power whereby to execute judgement, regarding those who are resurrected in that first resurrection, thereby officially declaring them worthy of the honour being bestowed upon them, to reign with Christ for the 1,000 years, who in due time shall be avenged of their enemies and awarded their position in glory.

* The words, 'they sat', I believe must be taken as including God and Christ, and the seven spirits of Revelation 1:4 and 1 Timothy 5:21, where they are united, as well as in Matthew 25:31:-

'When the Son of man shall come in His glory,
and all the holy angels with Him,
then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:'


* That throne is here seen placed for judgment immediately before the Millennium, and in connection with the 'first resurrection.' That throne is referred to in Joel 3:12; Jeremiah 3:17, Daniel 7:18 & 22. Then will take place, not merely the judgment and vindication of the martyred saints of the Tribulation, but that of the living nations (or Gentiles, as described in Matthew 25:31).

* That throne, as well as the thrones of the twelve apostles, are seen here placed for judgment according to Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30. Take a look also at Psalm 122:5; Ezekiel 43:7; Zechariah 6:13, Isaiah 32:1-4. Christ will have come, not only to 'make war,' but to 'judge'; for, 'in righteousness He doth judge and make war' (19:11).

* This is just the beginning of my study on this subject, I am sorry if I have not answered your questions yet, but I can do no other than start at the beginning and work my way through.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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We who are The sons of “God” have Three Fronts of “Warfare” we engage in.
1 The World
2. The Flesh
3. And The “Adversary.

They are Three different foes. And they are not The Same.
No matter what Worldly, philosophy , mundane assessment a child of GOD may arrive to.

If he slays The Devil, his warfare is not over, and he must not be a fool, for he must “Contend” with The flesh, and at the same time the Ally who is The World we be on his back. Riding him with spurs and a Bit in his mouth!

If any Child of God thinks The devil is their only foe on earth they need to take a look at “That Beast” in the Mirror! Who has “Restraints” on it! And then step outside and look around. Every where you look, Things you can see and can’t see is trying to kill you! Even the Mosquito which causes more deaths in the world than anything else. Your food is killing you, even the air you breath has become your enemy, Technology has become your enemy The Jones is your enemy, your son, your Mama and daddy, the IRS, the soda Pop, jealously is your enemy, your mind has become your enemy. You got a pill for everything. When you lie down at night when you wake in the morning, the ocean is your enemy, The Whole world is your enemy whether you know it or not. And when the devil is cast into the Pit and held there a 1000 years. Your fight is not over, unless you are a ruling “Saint”…The veil the scales will far from your eyes and “Behold, It was Leah”! And it was not Rachel!

Oh yea, the battle is not over after The Devil is cast into The Lake of Fire, evil still prevails, and the last enemy is “Death”. And this world, the old will be no more!
The Old has to Go! And a new one, Holy is going to be the new one coming to be! a City who’s builders is “GOD”. A New world “smooth as a brand new baby’s behind….No corrupted can come there or even known there! Wrong and sin is an “Unknown” Species there, Never heard of and never will be!

The devil is not our only enemy! And this veil will be taken off. We all will see who this unregenerate creature has become since the fall in the garden. Adam and Eve’s babies.
 
Ok, you are ok. I tried to prepare you for this awhile back but you wouldn’t take the bait.

Now we are going the hard way! Narrow path. You put a lot out there. Ok.

Let’s do a little free mountain climbing meaning no ropes.

During the Millennium period, when Jesus is reigning is it not from the New Jerusalem him clothe and the saints are clothe in a “Glorified body” reign ing in a Glorified Jerusalem. That has 12 gates to this city, A glorified Throne! Him sitting on the Throne of David. Then why would the nations of the 4 corners of The World who have lived at peace under The Son of GOD who is Ruling with “Iron scepter” for over a Thousand years now turns in “Rebellion” against The Son of The Living GOD! Why would they turn from peace to violence? Or did they , “These nations still practice rebellion while we “Reign” on the earth during The Millennium period.

Is this why we are “Reigning with The LORD with a “Iron Scepter”. Is this why, those within The City The New Jerusalem can go in and out through the 12 gates and many cannot come into The City, The New Jerusalem that came out of The sky.

Note: You threw a lot out, so am I.

Now, do your own reading of “The Book”. I did say “THE BOOK” The Volume of The BOOK.

Not others assessments of these events. For if you do you will “Contaminate” your findings.

Be careful of Systematic study of The Book of Revelations.
Old Testament view of The New Jerusalem. Is there. The Earth will always be corrupted, Old Jerusalem will always be corrupted it’s Throne will always be Corrupted, For Christ cannot sit upon a “Corrupted” Throne, For Christ can never Reign from a Corrupted City” For Christ can never Rule among “Corrupted” People!
The Old Jerusalem is not The Beloved City of GOD and it can never be, for it is a city made by the hands of a man, it is a earthly creation! And it can never be The City of GOD and His Christ! That City on earth will turn to dust and will blow away and be no more. For it was made for destruction!

The LORD [GOD the FATHER] said unto My “Lord” sit on MY Right Hand, Till I Put Thine enemies underneath Thy Feet!

NASB 1977
And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Note: in reality only one enemy left.
“Death”!

Note: Adam is not complete in The Beginning he is Complete at The End.

New King James Version
And He said to me, “It is DONE! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

Some may say: Did it take all of That to get to here? It took all of that, to get here. “Complete”.

All , “Every “Iota” plan By GOD, from Genesis to The Revelation of Jesus Christ who is The Salvation of GOD” for mankind.

NASB 1977
“And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved.”

This time your work is cut out for you.

No “regurgitation”

Give me what you got. Please no second hand pastries.

Subject Heading:- No one can ever present The Gospel According to Jesus Christ properly until they fully understand The Judgment of GOD

Hello @PloughBoy,

My responses to this post, replies #5, #8 & #10, do not really reflect the object of the purpose of the subject heading: does it? Whereas, @Samson2020, in reply #13 has attempted to address it, What is it you wish to bring to light through this, PloughBoy?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Ok,
From The beginning of Creation all roads heads here. The end of This world Revealed in The Anointed One and it has never “veered” off course. Judgment. Is the Final “Destination” for This World! All roads leads To Judgment Here!
There will not be a “Remodeling” here. When GOD destroy This World there will be no dirt even dust will be no more. He will make the dust disappear. He will judge The Dust!

Beginning world the end a judge condemn world, to be destroyed by GOD the Father And be no more and forgotten that it ever existed. And GOD The FATHER will created some thing brand new, that has never existed or can be imagine by any kind of creature that ever existed.

For a new world is only a “Anthropomorphic” human word for The Unknown. The word “World” is only a substitute word for the New World for a finite creature,
The name world is polluted. For this new creation has a “Holy Name”! A name that a unholy brain know nothing of. Even a unholy mouth cannot pronounce it, this creation.

“No one can ever present The Gospel According to Jesus Christ properly until they fully understand The Judgment of GOD”​


Now is That “Good News”!:grinning:

Especially if your name is in That “Book”! “

So the Millennium is just another page in the Book!! “The Best is Yet To Come”. But if, you kinda have a hint what is revealed in The Old Testament you might shout! And jump up and down! And say to yourself can this be “TRUE”! One day, this creation is coming to an End and be no more! For we shall step off into The Unknown! Humans words cannot describe and the mind cannot go there! Like The Calvinist has said, there is nothing wrong with “Calvinism” the Problem is , The God that many think about is just too small. It is nothing wrong with “Calvinism” it is the language we speak to try to proclaim the Unknown, for many have called it “Calvinese”! For we have step off into The Unknown.

For The Greeks has said: “The Unknown GOD” Then came “Paul”.

31because He has set a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people by raising Him from the dead.”
 
'This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of His coming?
for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of,
that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to His promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
(2 Peter 3:1-18)
 
'This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you;
in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets,
and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of His coming?
for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
For this they willingly are ignorant of,
that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store,
reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to His promise,
look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things,
be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;
even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things;
in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest,
as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before,
beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
(2 Peter 3:1-18)
Mmmm, I don’t know how to really take that, or access your quote. But I know one thing you sure will not. “Stroke” my so called eagle.

But one thing I did, I let that “Banana Pudding” set in the fridge until this morning!

I made me A sausage and egg sandwich this morning for breakfast, then I said I should taste that banana pudding, got me a small spoon full.
Smack it around my mouth. Experiencing my tastebuds I couldn’t get a good feel. Went back put some on a saucer. Sat down and tasting it, Went and filled the saucer back up at about 9:30 am. I put another spoon full in my mouth. And let it digest and disappear into my stomach. I look at that “Banana Pudding” and said to myself; I can’t be that “GOOD”. So I put another spoon full in my mouth slowly letting it dissolve in my on my taste buds, and repeated the same words; “It can’t be this GOOD”. “I Put My Foot in That “Banana Pudding” I hook it up! Every spoon filled I couldn’t believe “Banana Pudding” could be that Good! If only I could beam a spoon full to you, I would even for a “Testimony” to prove I ain’t lying!

I hope, I don’t eat to much and make me sick.
lOL, “I Nailed that Pudding”:joy:
 
Ref:- Replies #8 & #10
Revelation 20:4-6 The Millennium Reign

'He shall be great, and the Lord God shall give unto Him
the throne of his father David,
and He shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever'.
(Luke 1:32-33)

Hello @PloughBoy,

A thousand years is the duration of the millennial reign of the Lord Jesus; the time when the Overcomers will reign with Him.
The throne spoken of in Luke 1:32-33 (above) is The Throne referred to in Revelation 20:4. It is also that which is referred to in Matthew 25:31, 'When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all His holy angels with Him, THEN shall He sit upon the throne of His glory.' In Revelation 19, we see that coming; and in chapter 20:4, we see the beginning of that reign. Psalm 2 refers to this throne, and Matthew 19:28 promises the Twelve Apostles, that they will, 'eat and drink at His table in His kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve Tribes of Israel' (Luke 22:29-30.

* So this JUDGEMENT consists of reigning:-

'At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD;
and all the nations shall be gathered unto it,
to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem:

(Jeremiah 3:17)

* In Matthew 25, it is explained as the judging of the nations. 'I saw thrones' (Revelation 20:4)
* So there is not only 'the throne of His glory', but the other thrones on which 'they' also (who are mentioned in the Scriptures) shall sit.

* The Lord will reign over the earth (Zechariah 14::9; when 'the Lord of hosts shall reign in Mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously' (Isa 24:23; Isaiah 9:7; Jeremiah 3:17; Jeremiah 23:5; Micah 4:7; Ezekiel 43:7).

* Those years shall be characterised by:-
1) The absence of Satan.​
2) The restoration of the earth (Psalm 67:6) [the wilderness shall blossom as the rose]​
3) Changes in the sun, moon and stars, which shall affect the climates and fruitfulness of the earth.​
4) Changes in the nature and habits of the wild animals​
5) Righteous government (Isaiah 32:1)​
6) Life prolonged and health improved (Isaiah 33:24)​

* When the 1,000 years end, their blessedness does not end, but increases with the glory of the new heavens and the new earth .
* Men will not cease to live.
* The nations of the new Earth will, 'consist,' and be upheld by the eternal power of the great Creator.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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