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What Does the Bible Say About Abortion?

Of all the issues in our culture today, surely abortion is one of the most volatile. Perhaps no other issue has raised so much debate and anguish, plus time and monies spent by various interested parties to educate to public to their views on it. In the midst of such a controversial issue, many simply throw up their hands and vow to stay out of it altogether. In the name of freedom and under the guise of "it isn't my business" many choose to look the other way from this troubling issue, leaving the decision in the hand of lawmakers, doctors, and pregnant woman. Although there are many different issues concerning abortion, the following is designed to focus on what the Bible says about abortion, and the consequences thereof.


Does God Care?

What does God say about abortion? Do the millions of abortions that have taken place in this land bother Him? Is a fetus a "real person" in the eyes of God? If so, where does that leave us? If an unborn life is truly just a mere mass of fetal tissue to God, we should want to know. If He considers the life of the woman more important than her unborn child, we should want to know. And if He does consider that unborn life a "real person", and just as important as the life of the mother that bears it, we most certainly should want to know. After all, we are all accountable to God not only for our individual lives, but also as a generation and a nation.


Thou Shalt Not Kill

Throughout the Bible God has plenty to say about the taking of an innocent life. Most people in our nation, though they may not be familiar with all of the Ten Commandments, know that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is listed there somewhere. The word "kill" in this instance, specifically refers to "murder"--a premeditated and deliberate act of taking someone's life. It is different than other forms of taking a life, which could be accidental, or in self-defense. God has different laws regarding different sorts of death. But He continually opposes and speaks against murder, especially murder of the innocent.

Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land and atonement cannot be made for the land on which the blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it. Do not defile the land where you live. Numbers 35:33-34

God's judgment against the killing of an innocent life grows out of His love for humankind. The crime of murder is not only an offense against the sanctity of life, it is a pollutant upon the very land we live. God wants to spare us of the variety of ways this pollution is manifested. When the land becomes defiled with sin, people cry out "where is God?" yet they refuse to take responsibility for breaking His laws which were only given to us for our protection and good. Each sin that we commit is not merely an isolated incident, but will set off a chain reaction of other sins if not dealt with. Since the legalization of abortion for instance, child abuse has increased over 1000%. This is the exact opposite of what those who legalized abortion thought it would do since it was assumed that only children who were initially unwanted were abused.

In Psalm 106 God speaks specifically against killing innocent children and babies. He says of His people: They mingled with the nations and adopted their customs. They worshipped their idols which became a snare to them. They sacrificed their sons and their daughter to demons. They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan and the land was desecrated by their blood.


When Does Life Begin?

One may argue here that they agree that it is wrong to murder, but they still don't see how a fetus necessarily qualifies as a human being. Perhaps God doesn't feel the same way about a very young fetus, as He does an older fetus, a newborn, or a 50-year-old. It may be a different issue altogether with Him. Does the Bible say anything specifically about unborn children?

In Exodus 21:22 God gives a specific law regarding social order for the Israelites. He stated that if two men were fighting and hit a pregnant woman, thus causing her to give birth prematurely, they must be fined according to any damage done to the baby. The fine must be paid in relation to the amount of damage inflicted upon the child. If God would make a law specifically referring to the rights of the unborn, then surely the unborn must mean something to Him!

It has been stated If the womb had windows, there would be no abortion. As humans, we are not omnipresent and cannot know the full scope of what each human life is worth. We cannot dwell in the womb with a fetus, nor can we see it as it matures. But God can.


A Scientific View

Just 18 days after conception, the baby's heart begins to beat. At six weeks, brain waves can be measured. At eight weeks the vital organs are functioning and fingerprints have formed. At nine weeks, the unborn baby is able to feel pain. Over 700,000 abortions each year are performed after this point in the pregnancy. By the beginning of the second month, the unborn child, small as it is, has begun to look distinctly human, though the mother may not even be aware that she is pregnant! By the time the baby is eleven weeks old, he or she breaths (fluid), swallows, digests, sleeps, dreams, wakes, tastes, hears, and feels pain. Babies born prematurely can survive outside the womb as young as 20-25 weeks old. Yet, all that is necessary to make the baby a grown human being is already there from the moment of conception. All it needs is time to mature.

Former Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated "We now know when life begins because the test-tube baby proves that life begins with conception. What do you have in the dish? An egg and a *****. What do you add to it to get a baby? Nothing." Though it is wee, it is still a real person, just as a crumb of bread is still real bread. No one who has been given the gift of life should dare despise the day of small beginnings. Have we forgotten so quickly that we were once as small?

"In the tiny, almost invisible thirty two cell blastocyst--in that one gram or so of tissue--there is a physical potential and moral destiny unparalleled in our universe. Next to it, a gram of plutonium is a triviality: plutonium cannot compose a symphony, cannot cure cancer, cannot plan our course to the stars". -Bernard Nathanson, M.D. and former abortionist-


A Spiritual View

God said to the prophet Jeremiah, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5 God knew this man before he was born. As he was forming in his mother's womb God gave him his personality, talents, and temperament. If his mother had gotten an abortion, the "fetal tissue" she aborted would have been a real person named Jeremiah; a mighty prophet of God and the gift of God's voice to the nations, though she would never have known.

The Lord hath called me from the womb: from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. Isaiah 49:1 KJV

Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us within our mothers? Job 31:15

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:13-14


The above verses are only a sampling of the many Biblical references we find to life inside the mother's womb. From them, it is clear that life begins when God creates it, not at some later point in time when it has grown to look like a newborn. God does not judge things according to their stage of development the way humans tend to. According to the above passages, even the tiniest embryo is the subject of His love and care. God sees each of our lives in the realm of our total existence, whether we are yet unborn, a young woman in the prime of her life, or an old man on his deathbed. He is patient with all of us, longing to bring each one of us into His maturity.


Do We Look Like God?

To wantonly destroy innocent human life is a crime against God, and a rejection of the truth that we were made in His image. Everything in the universe belongs to Him anyway. The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world and ALL who live in it. Psalm 24:1 Our own lives are a precious gift given to us, but ultimately we belong to God! We are His possessions; we have merely been granted stewardship over our lives, talents, money, time, the earth we live on and the things we "own." Though children pass through us they are not ours, anymore that we are property of our parents. Each of us has been given the gift of life and freedom, for which we are responsible and accountable to God. None of us has the right to deny that same gift to an unborn person. It is an honor to carry that powerful force of another life within our very bodies-- a life made in the very image of God! (Genesis 5:1-2)

God is no respecter of persons. If He knew Jeremiah in the womb, He knew you too. Do you believe that God lovingly fashioned you and loves you dearly? Do you believe that He has had a plan for your life from the beginning of time? A plan that none other can fulfill in quite the same way you can? That you came to this earth "trailing clouds of glory?" Or do you believe in your heart that you were a mere "accident" and that God has no personal concern for you or your life? Is it easier to believe that you are just a highly evolved animal? An animal (especially an undeveloped one) may certainly be easier to dispose of. It seems somehow even "natural," as the laws of nature lend themselves to the survival of the strong and the equipped. Yet it seems doubtful that even an animal would come up with a way to deliberately kill it's unborn offspring.

Even the jackals offer their breasts to nurse their young, but my people have become heartless like ostriches in the desert. Lamentations 4:3


Am I My Brother's Keeper?

Every 20 seconds another baby is aborted in this country, yet very few seem to notice. Statistically, one out of every three of us will die by abortion, and we will never know what we lost in those lives. Our country goes along its way leaving lawmakers in distant buildings to decide how the carnage should continue. We've bought into the lie that those we dispose of are not real people. It is the same old lie that was used to keep slavery legal, and to exterminate masses of peoples in holocausts all over the world. We should be able to see through it by now, but as usual, most of us let circumstances and the current cultural climate dictate to us what is acceptable or not. Yet God tells us to: Rescue those being led away to death, hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say "But we knew nothing of this," does not He who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? Proverbs 24:11

In our society today we face a myriad of social problems as a result of our hypocrisy. Most of us have had to become somewhat doubleminded just to keep a vestige of sanity. We put warnings on cigarettes and alcohol, that their consumption is dangerous to an unborn child. Yet we deem it perfectly legal, even "responsible" for a mother to have a doctor poison that same child inside her, or rip it to shreds with a surgical instrument. We might charge a man who kills a pregnant woman with a double homicide, yet what if that woman was on her way to the abortion clinic to dispose of her baby anyway? Do we then charge him with a single homicide?

Evil prevails when good men, in the name of freedom, do nothing. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil. I Peter 2:16 I Peter 2:16 Very few of us would argue that crack cocaine, or rape should be legal simply because people are going to do it anyway, yet that is the argument that is applied to abortion. As a nation, our morals and ethics vacillate between honor and convenience, integrity and greed. We are slouching towards everything we have stood against and hated from the foundation of this country, yet we pave the way with our apathy. This double-mindedness has become a cancer eating away at the very heart of our nation.

Sin always seems practical, necessary, or even "cute" in it's initial stages. It is only in hindsight that we can see just how atrocious those massive exterminations were and how they went against the very core of what the United States was supposed to be. Yet, we have no right to condemn previous generations for the same deeds we commit today. Then, as now, the masses simply went along with whatever was the popular opinion. In regard to slavery, it was even argued that the government didn't have a right to tell people whether they could own slaves or not... That it was a personal choice to be made and that freedom of choice is what our country is all about. Only in that case they forgot the rights of one whole people group. Sound familiar?

Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?" The Lord said. "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground which opened it's mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand." Genesis 4:9-11

As a nation, we must repent for the heartlessness we have displayed to the most helpless members of our culture. Though God is merciful, He is also just. He cannot ignore the cries of the blood that have soaked our ground and stained our hands. We are bringing ourselves under a curse, but do not have the eyes to see it. We only see the fruit of that curse and we wonder what went wrong. Like Cain, our ears have become deafened to the cries of those we have murdered.


True Freedom

There are too many of us who prefer to let the media do our thinking for us. Should we disagree, many of us are too intimidated to ever speak out with conviction. As we let time go by, our godly convictions begin to slip away and we become numb. Eventually, we may even support that which we had earlier condemned. This is called the "searing of a conscience." It happened in Hitler's Germany and it is happening today. How can we bring a dead conscience back to life? How can we know the difference between right and wrong? As was just established, we cannot merely "listen to our heart" and follow what seems best at the time. Some of the most horrifying deeds in history have been done by those who were following whatever moral code was most convenient at the time. Freedom is not doing whatever suits our fancy at the moment. That will only bring slavery and sorrow to our souls. True freedom is having the power to know what is right and to choose accordingly. But how can we choose, if we do not know? How can we obtain true freedom?

You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free. John 8:32

We must cleanse our minds by the washing with the water through the WORD. (Ephesians 5:26) God's WORD is the Bible--ancient, yet ageless and seething with life. It will literally clean our thinking and bring life to our sin-deadened minds so we can see what He sees and feel what He feels. It will reveal our very thoughts to ourselves.

For the WORD of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

Respect for God, His creation, and His Holy WORD, is the only way we will ever find true freedom. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. Proverbs 1:7 Wisdom and compassion cannot be found outside of God for He is wisdom and He is love. Long before heaven and earth were made, and long after they disappear, His WORD will still remain. On the Day of Judgement abortion and every other atrocity we have tried to justify will be shown for the evil it is. We must seek God now, while we have the time to do it! Today is the day of salvation.

It is not too late to repent and turn our hearts back to the Lord. We can bring healing and life to this land that we love if we will humble ourselves before God's mighty right hand. If my people, who are called by my name, and humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. II Chronicles 7:14


God Loves You!

If you are planning an abortion, please reconsider. Though your situation may seem hopeless, God will work something beautiful in your life if you trust and obey Him. Choosing to "remove" your problem will only create new ones. Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? Micah 6:7 You will have to bear the guilt of your abortion or else harden your heart to not feel guilty. God loves both you and your child very much, and if you feel incapable of raising him or her, there are thousands of couples who have waited years for the chance to adopt a baby. Though it may be difficult to give it away, you will have given it the greatest gift of all--life. As Mother Theresa put it so simply "love means to be willing to give until it hurts." Give your child to a family that will truly love it. You can make the dreams of a childless couple come true... and you can bless the heart of God.

If you have already had an abortion, please do not feel that this was written only to bring you under guilt and condemnation. What is done is done and cannot be changed. God has your child in heaven with Him, and longs to forgive you if you ask Him to. Once God forgives a sin, He literally forgets it, and DOES NOT HOLD IT AGAINST YOU ANY LONGER! Please do not hold against yourself what God has forgotten. Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I, even I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more. Isaiah 43:18, 25. Receive His love, for He loves you just as much as the child you lost. He already took your sin and bore it upon Himself so you would not have to bear the punishment, which would be eternal separation from Him. He knows the agony you've gone through better than any other, for He was there too, with you. Open your life to Him and let Him give you a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of the spirit of despair. He will make you into an oak of righteousness, a planting of the Lord for the display his splendor. Isaiah 61:3

In conclusion, the words of God ring out as clearly now as they did over 3,000 years ago:

This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your children may live, and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice and hold fast to him. Deuteronomy 30:19-20

Amen
 
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Ermmm, my heart is troubled, if that is what God said to you, I feel you are listening to the devil or you need a spiritual hearing aid.

Every child is God's creation, starting in a woman's womb, just because the man and woman are lost souls and had sex outside marriage, doesn't mean the child in the womb is not God's creation. We are all born into sin.

Abortion is killing a child, we would not know the future of the child from birth onwards, but God does. The child may give its life to the Lord and become a great preacher, other missionary etc etc.... and become a saved Child of God through His Son.

Who is guilty for the death of the child in the woman's womb, the woman, the theatre staff who carry it out, the doctors who did the referral, clinics, nurses, etc, etc.

All are guilty of killing a child, they all have blood on their hands one way or another, they are all guilty of killing God's creation.

Thou shalt not kill.
Some of this you have stated is just not true. And I can easily prove it
but what I would like to know is why you believe that the children of God
would abort any of their children?
 
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The people who abort babies are killing unborn children -- helpless 'yet to be born' innocent babies. A baby has to be old enough to understand right from wrong and able to make a decision on their own in order to be saved.

Do you really believe that God told you that?

And I Do believe that those innocent babies who Are aborted are in heaven with their loving Heavenly Father.
I do not believe as you.
 
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Children of the devil are unsaved souls, unbelieving people.

Jesus said, if God is not your father then the devil is, if the devil is your father then you are children of the devil.

But they can still be saved.

There is not one person on this earth who is evil, there are millions that have evil within, but anyone and everyone has the same option in life, and anyone or everyone can come to the Lord, repent, be baptised and be saved.

Peace be with you.
Please explain how a child of the devil who's father is the devil
can also have God as their Father. I really want to read your explanation.
 
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For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:23
and that includes you
Is this that is written in Romans 3:23 a lie seeing that Jesus
never sinned or fell short of the glory of God or was it misinterpreted
or is it a misprint?
 
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For one thing -- a baby leaves the mother's body one way or another. It Can't stay inside of the mother. So -- it Will be born along with the sack of water that it's been in. Young women -- Any woman who aborts her child -- they do not loose their salvation nor are they doomed to hell as a result Of.

Until a person is able to recognize right from wrong -- he / she is under the grace of God.
This is a man made doctrine.(I am being polite if we were face to face
I would be blunt about it to you)
 
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The people who abort babies are killing unborn children -- helpless 'yet to be born' innocent babies. A baby has to be old enough to understand right from wrong and able to make a decision on their own in order to be saved.

Do you really believe that God told you that?

And I Do believe that those innocent babies who Are aborted are in heaven with their loving Heavenly Father.
I have a good question for you concerning this you are leading people to believe...
Are all those babies and unborn babies that were in the wombs of all the pregnant women
that God suffocated by drowning them with water in the great flood...in heaven with their loving Heavenly Father?
 
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Satan is indeed busy lying to folks. Though shalt not murder, Exo. 20:13, ESV. The word, fetus, is in popular usage today because it is Latin. Being a foreign word it is easily redefined, as this one has been. A Fetus is not a blob of gelatin parasite that invades a woman's body and the Latin word is their name for a baby, Before the egg and the ***** join together there is Human Life in both. When these portions join those elements are joined, as long as the now, single person is not disturbed a young Human will grow up to be an Adult Human Being. Killing that Fetus is murder.
 
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Satan is indeed busy lying to folks. Though shalt not murder, Exo. 20:13, ESV. The word, fetus, is in popular usage today because it is Latin. Being a foreign word it is easily redefined, as this one has been. A Fetus is not a blob of gelatin parasite that invades a woman's body and the Latin word is their name for a baby, Before the egg and the ***** join together there is Human Life in both. When these portions join those elements are joined, as long as the now, single person is not disturbed a young Human will grow up to be an Adult Human Being. Killing that Fetus is murder.
When John the Baptist jump in his mothers womb when he heard Mary voice was he a Fetus too?
And when do the soul come in to being?
 
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I have a good question for you concerning this you are leading people to believe...
Are all those babies and unborn babies that were in the wombs of all the pregnant women
that God suffocated by drowning them with water in the great flood...in heaven with their loving Heavenly Father?


God's Word tells us that the people in the world at that time had become very wicked in all their ways and He regretted having created them. But it also says that Noah and his wife and family were the only righteous people alive. God gave them instructions for building the ark that we read about in Genesis. It took a long time to build it and,no doubt the people were asking lots of questions. They had plenty of time to listen to Noah and his family and choose righteousness like Noah and his family did. Everyone and everything did die in the flood waters. But scripture also says that when Jesus Christ died, He went to Abraham's bosom and gave those in the Sheol part a chance to accept His she'd blood on the cross. When He rose again on that third day,. He brought back with Him those who'd died and we're in the Paradise part as well as those who decided to believe in His she'd blood. So those babies and unborn would be under the blood of Christ.
 
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Tomorrow is Sunday and won't be on here. Feel free to approach in the private conversation area of the forum.
 
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Tomorrow is Sunday and won't be on here. Feel free to approach in the private conversation area of the forum.
God's Word tells us that the people in the world at that time had become very wicked in all their ways and He regretted having created them. But it also says that Noah and his wife and family were the only righteous people alive. God gave them instructions for building the ark that we read about in Genesis. It took a long time to build it and,no doubt the people were asking lots of questions. They had plenty of time to listen to Noah and his family and choose righteousness like Noah and his family did. Everyone and everything did die in the flood waters. But scripture also says that when Jesus Christ died, He went to Abraham's bosom and gave those in the Sheol part a chance to accept His she'd blood on the cross. When He rose again on that third day,. He brought back with Him those who'd died and we're in the Paradise part as well as those who decided to believe in His she'd blood. So those babies and unborn would be under the blood of Christ.
I have decided not to get into a tussle with it over what you believe due to it is no longer important to me.
I do not have any more at this present time to say to you about it.
 
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Abortion is killing, thou shalt NOT kill.

The heart beat of a child in the womb can be detected from 6 weeks into the pregnany.

There is life, let there be life, thou shalt NOT kill.

The Lord Provides...

There is blood, innocent blood, on the hands of all who are involved in aborting a life, killing a helpless child, yes even in the womb. They are participants of the crime, therefore guilty of aiding and abetting.

God creates, the child is formed, the heart beat can be heard from just 6 weeks old, it is the last part doctors don't want people to know, the devil has blinded the mind of sinners!

In His Love
Brother Paul
 
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Tomorrow is Sunday and won't be on here. Feel free to approach in the private conversation area of the forum.
 
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I have decided not to get into a tussle with it over what you believe due to it is no longer important to me.
I do not have any more at this present time to say to you about it.

God's Word should be important to you. That's what I base my beliefs on.
 
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What Does the Bible Say About Abortion?

Of all the issues in our culture today, surely abortion is one of the most volatile. Perhaps no other issue has raised so much debate and anguish, plus time and monies spent by various interested parties to educate to public to their views on it. In the midst of such a controversial issue, many simply throw up their hands and vow to stay out of it altogether. In the name of freedom and under the guise of "it isn't my business" many choose to look the other way from this troubling issue, leaving the decision in the hand of lawmakers, doctors, and pregnant woman. Although there are many different issues concerning abortion, the following is designed to focus on what the Bible says about abortion, and the consequences thereof.
To most of you.

These type of arguments are geared to justifing why you want a ban on abortion. Like the Pharisee, you want to create laws that burden others because you think you are serving God when you are merely serving yourself in the pretence of being "holy".

This country (America) was formed with the rule of seperation of church and state. Obviously you know that a large portion of Americans are not Christian and do not share your beliefs. Making them obey your religious rules is a hypocracy as you know you would not want to live under Muslim Sharia Law.

Nor is it Christian to force this law on others. For we are to love others who are not like us. According to the World Health Organization, making abortion illegal does nothing to lower the rate of abortions, but it does raise the rate of harm to women as women find "home remedies" and back street "doctors" when needed. Seriously, we steralized native american women until the mid 70's and no evangelicals fought that to my knowledge.

The largest impact factor in lowering abortion is economic security. "The law", by which we will be judged to salvation or damnation, is the law of Love-LIKE JESUS SAID! Any law that you want your immoral despot politicans to pass needs to include the economic security for the mother and child you want to force to be born. If not, you show you have no love for this baby nor your fellow woman. However, the cycle of poverty and crime amoung minorities tells all the depth of Christianity in America.
 
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To most of you.

These type of arguments are geared to justifing why you want a ban on abortion. Like the Pharisee, you want to create laws that burden others because you think you are serving God when you are merely serving yourself in the pretence of being "holy".

This country (America) was formed with the rule of seperation of church and state. Obviously you know that a large portion of Americans are not Christian and do not share your beliefs. Making them obey your religious rules is a hypocracy as you know you would not want to live under Muslim Sharia Law.

Nor is it Christian to force this law on others. For we are to love others who are not like us. According to the World Health Organization, making abortion illegal does nothing to lower the rate of abortions, but it does raise the rate of harm to women as women find "home remedies" and back street "doctors" when needed. Seriously, we steralized native american women until the mid 70's and no evangelicals fought that to my knowledge.

The largest impact factor in lowering abortion is economic security. "The law", by which we will be judged to salvation or damnation, is the law of Love-LIKE JESUS SAID! Any law that you want your immoral despot politicans to pass needs to include the economic security for the mother and child you want to force to be born. If not, you show you have no love for this baby nor your fellow woman. However, the cycle of poverty and crime amoung minorities tells all the depth of Christianity in America.

Here's the data in a chart. Women in poverty are almost twice as likely to seek an abortion

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God's Word should be important to you. That's what I base my beliefs on.
Here I am letting you off the hook because I feel sorry for you and
you repay my kindness by insinuating in your statement that God's word is not important to me.
Therefore, no mercy for you I will wait till Monday when you come back and I will debate you
and easily defeat any argument you present by the word written in your bible.
 
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Here's the data in a chart. Women in poverty are almost twice as likely to seek an abortion

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Thank you, yes, the largest voting bloc, white evangelicals, whos political battle cries and talking points is anti-aborition and to stop social and racial justice, want to force the poor (primarily made up of minorities) to have chidren born into poverty's violence, gangs, crime, and prostitution without actually trying to lift the poor out with economic security where they would want to raise children who had a future other than what povery offered. If you want people to stop murdering babies, than stop forcing them to do it. Whoa to you who causes these to stumble.
 
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