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you said:
" and a month later praying to receive the Holy Spirit I spoke out in a new tongue"
Ok, you prayed to receive the "HS" then spoke out in a new language" So what does that mean?
Interpretaion of Tongues
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" and a month later praying to receive the Holy Spirit I spoke out in a new tongue"
Ok, you prayed to receive the "HS" then spoke out in a new language" So what does that mean?
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I don't see anyone saying this. Why do you feel the need to judge others, and then invite them to judge you?
Just because it happened that way for them, doesn't mean it has to happen that way for you.
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This thread is about the gift of interpretation of tongues in church
If you have any insecurities and doubts about the word of God then start up your own thread, please.
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This thread by Brother Paul is about the gift of interpretation given in the church
if you want to derail this thread, please do not, as you already have made it public as to your views on the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
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My question to you concerns the gift of tongues and interpreting tongues. My apologies if the words in Latin and Greek confused you.
Here is your previous statement: "I was baptised in water for the remission of my sins and a month later praying to receive the Holy Spirit I spoke out in a new tongue - just as Jesus promised that believers would."
Here is my question: Are you saying that if someone is baptized in water for the remission of their sins, prays to receive the Holy Spirit, confesses Jesus as Savior and Lord and believe in their heart that God raised Jesus from the grave, but they don't receive the gift of glossolalia (speaking tongues) or the gift of hermēneia glōssōn (interpret tongues), they are not true believers?
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For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
1Corinthians 14:2
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Rom 8:26; In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
1Cor 14:14; For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
Many times in life, we don't know how to pray.
Sometimes it's because of spiritual immaturity. God help me win the lottery. God help my team win. God make that person die.
But other times, we simply don't know what God wants to do.
Someone is in a bad abusive relationship. They are married, there is a baby. The boyfriends parents are too involved in drugs to be responsible.
The girlfriend's mom has passed away, and her dad will take care of the baby, but doesn't want to have anything to do with the girl. The girl has no real work skills, and can not afford day-care/babysitting.
So what do we pray for? They break up? They get saved? They get married? The girl finds someone to take care of her and the baby? The girl gives the baby up?
It's an all too common story. I've seen similar stories many times (I'm sure a lot of us have) but we don't know exactly what to pray for, so we pray in the Spirit.
Our hearts burn with compassion, and we want the situation to get better. But we don't know what God wants to do here. So we pray in the Spirit.
Eph 6:18; With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,
@B-A-C
Greetings Brother,
may i ask?
according to the verse i supplied, what would the interpretation be for?
(either given your post ^ or not... or both)
he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God.
Bless you ....><>
Greetings Brother,
may i ask?
according to the verse i supplied, what would the interpretation be for?
(either given your post ^ or not... or both)
he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God.
Bless you ....><>
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I gave two situations above for speaking in tongues.
1Cor 14:2; and 1Cor 14:14; specifically about tongues in prayer. It's a private conversation between you and God. No need for interpretation.
However....
1Cor 14:6; But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?
1Cor 14:7; Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp?
1Cor 14:8; For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
1Cor 14:9; So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Cor 14:10; There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.
1Cor 14:11; If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.
If I'm speaking out in tongues to the congregation, the words (sounds) make no sense to the congregation unless they are interpreted.
Why speak in tongues to someone if they don't understand what you are saying?
The title of this thread is interpretation of tongues. If I'm speaking to God in tongues, (as you mentioned in verse 2) no interpretation is necessary.
1Cor 14:13; Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Cor 14:16; Otherwise if you bless in the spirit only, how will the one who fills the place of the ungifted say the "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not know what you are saying?
1Cor 14:17; For you are giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not edified.
There are no rules for interpretation in private prayer. However there are rules for interpretation in an assembly (service).
1Cor 14:23; Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad?
1Cor 14:26; What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
1Cor 14:27; If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret;
1Cor 14:28; but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.
If there is no interpreter, keep your tongues and prayers to God. Then no interpretation is needed.
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We can all look at this as we choose. For me Tongues is about me and for me,never again do I have to wonder what and how to pray,as we know in some cases we are either so heart broken or in some type of distress,I sure know I have had these cases. And this release,in my Spirit has greatly helped me in my relationship both to the Lord Jesus and to others! I thanks God I speak in tongues more then you all. ( 1 Cor 14:18)
As stated in the Church it is different! It is using faith to speak as one believes the Lord has told them to say to another. I remember a lady told me the Lord was going to send me to India to preach, after 2 months the lady asked me why are you still here,I gently reminded her that The Lord will confirm this to me himself.( 2 Cor 13:1) I did not want to hurt her feeling,but at the same time remember if someone tells you something they believe is from the Lord,test it.
Usually if I have a word from the Lord to someone it is personal,I tell them after the meeting to confirm the truth of it directly to them. Sometimes I have been right,and sometimes I have been wrong. To me this gift is like riding a bike for the first time,you may fall a few times but if you stay with it you in the Lord will understand fully this scripture!( Rom 8:14-16) And become in tune with Holy Spirit. But like all things time spent with our Jesus in prayer, and deed helps!( James 1:22) blessing all!
As stated in the Church it is different! It is using faith to speak as one believes the Lord has told them to say to another. I remember a lady told me the Lord was going to send me to India to preach, after 2 months the lady asked me why are you still here,I gently reminded her that The Lord will confirm this to me himself.( 2 Cor 13:1) I did not want to hurt her feeling,but at the same time remember if someone tells you something they believe is from the Lord,test it.
Usually if I have a word from the Lord to someone it is personal,I tell them after the meeting to confirm the truth of it directly to them. Sometimes I have been right,and sometimes I have been wrong. To me this gift is like riding a bike for the first time,you may fall a few times but if you stay with it you in the Lord will understand fully this scripture!( Rom 8:14-16) And become in tune with Holy Spirit. But like all things time spent with our Jesus in prayer, and deed helps!( James 1:22) blessing all!
@B-A-C
Greetings,
there seems to be a bit of hit and miss here:
are you suggesting that when one speaks in tongues to God, it is only for private use?
Can it be possible that one speaks to God in tongues, in fellowship, which may well be words of praise and worship and that interpretation would be fitting, that all may give praise to God and say, amen?
The Spirit giving unpolluted utterance. Oh, that we might be vessels for Him and wonder at His love.
Some might even suggest that speaking in tongues is purely, speaking to God, as in, a way that the LORD has add-ministered, providing a way unique to the Believers/Church to manifest that which was prophesied, in which case, interpretation is a co-worker in the manifold grace of God, to not only Gentiles but Greeks and Jews, too, all of which would definitely be edifying and strengthening.
Would that be too far fetched?
Bless you ....><>
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Greetings,
there seems to be a bit of hit and miss here:
are you suggesting that when one speaks in tongues to God, it is only for private use?
Can it be possible that one speaks to God in tongues, in fellowship, which may well be words of praise and worship and that interpretation would be fitting, that all may give praise to God and say, amen?
The Spirit giving unpolluted utterance. Oh, that we might be vessels for Him and wonder at His love.
Some might even suggest that speaking in tongues is purely, speaking to God, as in, a way that the LORD has add-ministered, providing a way unique to the Believers/Church to manifest that which was prophesied, in which case, interpretation is a co-worker in the manifold grace of God, to not only Gentiles but Greeks and Jews, too, all of which would definitely be edifying and strengthening.
Would that be too far fetched?
Bless you ....><>
Bless you ....><>
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Yes, I am saying there is a private prayer language of tongues.
Yes and no, you are mixing two different things here. The entire congregation may pray "privately" (somewhat quietly) to God. That's OK.
But no, the entire congregation should not be speaking loudly in tongues in a church service. The Bible say by two, or at the most three. That's far from the entire congregation at my church.
Also it says if tongues are spoken out to the assembly (congregation) there MUST be an interpreter. So if there is no interpretation, there shouldn't be tongues in this case.
That isn't what I see in the Bible, and in visting literally over a hundred Pentecostal/Charismatic churches, I've never seen it done that way.
I gave you at least 4 scriptures that say "to you" or to "the assembly/congregation".
I don't have a problem with tongues being for Jews and Gentiles, in fact it has no bearing at all upon the gift of tongues.
The purpose is definitely edifying.
Picture it this way. You are God and you speak Portugese. No one in the church speaks Portugese. (well it's possible someone might)
I tell the congregation what you said in Portugese. Since no speaks Portugese, it's kind of useless unless someone interprets.
Now what I have seen, is usually it's a person who doesn't know the language do the interpretation. In some rare cases, there was a person there that did speak that language.
They interpret what was said in the other language.
First of all there shouldn't be un-ruly, un-orderly yelling out in the church in any language. Especially not by the entire congregation. Who knows who said what to who.
The Bible says by 2 or 3. No more.
Now if we are worshipping in English together, singing together, by all means be as loud as you like. But speaking in tongues is another matter.
This has been an interesting thread to read. I've never been in a church that practices tongues. But B-A-C explains it very well. Done Scripturally it would be okay.
There are some churches that the pastor gets the congregation stirred up emotionally and Then people start talking 'gibberish' and there is slaying of the spirit, etc. That is not Scriptural. And there is no interpreting being done.
There are some churches that the pastor gets the congregation stirred up emotionally and Then people start talking 'gibberish' and there is slaying of the spirit, etc. That is not Scriptural. And there is no interpreting being done.
The word unknown as a tongue was added by those who fall back slain in the spirit of judgement
Prophecy or the tongue of God is His interpretation.
God shared his wisdom with many nations when he spoke at Pentecost the promise of Joel the gospel explosion, gentiles men and woman from all the nations of the world prophesying as a kingdom of priest.
Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
The same timing of the sign of tongues (God bringing prophecy) spoken of in the foundation of the doctrine of tongues of Isaiah 28. The law spoken of in 1 Corinthians 14: 21.
A sign against those who refuse to hear prophecy those who follow the self edifying oral traditions of men making the tongue of God’s prophecy without effect.
Clearly a sign against those who oppose prophecy, the tongue of God .
Many things were happening at the time of reformation a time like never before or ever again
1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
