Greetings Brother,
forgive me if i did not present my thoughts about that. I was, however, presenting the common man's thinking and reasoning, in that if the death you speak of is simply an end, lights out time and that's that, then surely one has to ask what all the fuss is about.
I have been talking outside of the box, discussing the thread and parts thereof. I think you will agree that it is a subject worth discecting and examining as much as possible... a sort of 'leaving no stone unturned'.
Back to the subject,
Yes indeed, and methinks that this is a 'landmark' to travel by, in regards to this topic.
Can we go to that place of really considering that and why it is so and therefore get a slightly better focus that might address my other question recently....
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We are nearly touching on what we should but, are we/is our focus too much on the woe and not nearly enough on the hope that fills the people of the Way?
what is the message that resounds from your heart?
Can a man change his ways and look towards the Lord if he is only warned of something not yet proven and that he can not ever get to see?
Or what if that man's eye catches sight of something (SomeOne) so beautiful and he is drawn to that Beauty, away from destruction?
Yes, we read that some needs be saved as if from fire and snatched back from it, but it does read, some, not all.
When we read the Gospels, we see that many followed after Jesus and often because of the wonderful works He did. They all wanted more of His Graciousness and Goodness, the merciful lovingkindness stuff that the Son had come to reveal.
[something to chew on]
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yes, Brother. Too much error.
I think this is part of the problem [not you, but generally].
Why do Christians get so 'Christian'?
and alas, all too many get led down perilous paths of erroneous teaching.
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there is a sick little demon that wants us to thrive on perverse satisfaction of the concept of damnation with as much horror and misery as possible.
The heart is deceitful and needs reconditioning.
The flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the Flesh... let us return to the victory we have in Christ and the Life He Himself truly is.
back to my question,
imagine going into a desert or mountain range and finding a bunch of lost people.
By all means tell them that if they continue going in the wrong direction, they will perish.
By all means tell them you know the way to get 'un-lost'.
Then you find out that they all met, one by one.... so, what makes you {us} any different?
The Lord bless you all ....><>
Greetings Brother,
forgive me if i did not present my thoughts about that. I was, however, presenting the common man's thinking and reasoning, in that if the death you speak of is simply an end, lights out time and that's that, then surely one has to ask what all the fuss is about.
I have been talking outside of the box, discussing the thread and parts thereof. I think you will agree that it is a subject worth discecting and examining as much as possible... a sort of 'leaving no stone unturned'.
Back to the subject,
Yes indeed, and methinks that this is a 'landmark' to travel by, in regards to this topic.
Can we go to that place of really considering that and why it is so and therefore get a slightly better focus that might address my other question recently....
======================
We are nearly touching on what we should but, are we/is our focus too much on the woe and not nearly enough on the hope that fills the people of the Way?
what is the message that resounds from your heart?
Can a man change his ways and look towards the Lord if he is only warned of something not yet proven and that he can not ever get to see?
Or what if that man's eye catches sight of something (SomeOne) so beautiful and he is drawn to that Beauty, away from destruction?
Yes, we read that some needs be saved as if from fire and snatched back from it, but it does read, some, not all.
When we read the Gospels, we see that many followed after Jesus and often because of the wonderful works He did. They all wanted more of His Graciousness and Goodness, the merciful lovingkindness stuff that the Son had come to reveal.
[something to chew on]
===============
yes, Brother. Too much error.
I think this is part of the problem [not you, but generally].
Why do Christians get so 'Christian'?
and alas, all too many get led down perilous paths of erroneous teaching.
==========
there is a sick little demon that wants us to thrive on perverse satisfaction of the concept of damnation with as much horror and misery as possible.
The heart is deceitful and needs reconditioning.
The flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the Flesh... let us return to the victory we have in Christ and the Life He Himself truly is.
back to my question,
imagine going into a desert or mountain range and finding a bunch of lost people.
By all means tell them that if they continue going in the wrong direction, they will perish.
By all means tell them you know the way to get 'un-lost'.
Then you find out that they all met, one by one.... so, what makes you {us} any different?
The Lord bless you all ....><>
(Isaiah 53)
"1Who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? 2
He grew up before Him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no stately form or majesty to attract us, no beauty that we should desire Him. 3He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, acquainted with grief. Like one from whom men hide their faces, He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.…"
They hated Jesus, and did not care for His Words, They were faking acting like they cared, but they didn't and He called them out. In the Gospel's declares this, by the words of Jesus.
John 6:26,30,40,64
Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled…
John 12:37
But though he had done so many miracles before them,
yet they believed not on him:
John 15:24
If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin:
but now have they both s
een and hated both me and my Father.
I know this Truth is hard for many to believe, The People hated Jesus and the message He gave them from the Father!
They enjoyed the food, they enjoyed the healings, and they really hated Him when the Romans "Crucified him", This was supposed to Be Our Messiah and run the Roman armies out and be our "Reigning KING" And we would not be without Food anymore, For He is our healer our KING, King of The Jews! But They capture Him, He did not fight for us or Him self. He was a Imposter a deceiver of the People"! And they hated Him More, His Disciples ran away and left Him alone! They deserted HIM! He was not the man whom we thought Him to be! All hope was gone, He was a good man but not The Coming Messiah, and It tore "Judas" apart, he went away, I have betrayed a innocent man, who I thought was The Christ the "SON of GOD', I have betrayed a good man, and He went out and Hung himself and His bowels burst asunder.
Not only must one, read the "Holy Scriptures" one must enter The Spirit of The WORD, The LIVING WORD of GOD" For The "Spirit gives Life" It becomes Living and gives you LIFE, into Its Truth.
If anyone think The Gospels recorded in the New Testament, especially The "Synoptic Gospels" teaches that The people love Him and believe His Words, they have not Read or Study it properly. It teaches the people hated Him and his Family thought He was Crazy and the people Hated Him and GOD the Father.
Many think they believe the Words of The Bible, But actually they don't. and they don't even realize it. For the time, that they desirer The Meat. It Chokes them. or it is too "strong" for them. For they have not yet died unto themselves.
"Anthropomorphic words" The Seed, must die unto it self , before it produce a abundance of fruit and that death is painful, that is why there are many, who are "Enemies of The cross" For they come down, off that Tree. the Pain is unbearable and the wound runs deep.
(Philippians 3)BSB
Join one another in following my example, brothers, and carefully observe those who walk according to the pattern we set for you.
For as I have often told you before, and now say again even with tears: Many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things."
Acts 20:31
"Therefore be alert and remember that for three years I never stopped
warning each of you night and day with tears."
(Hebrews 5)ASV.
"Who in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and supplications with
strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and having
been heard for his godly fear,
though he was a Son, yet learned
obedience by the things which
he suffered; and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him
the author of eternal salvation; named of God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek."
He showed us "
The Way".
If a person have not offered up prayers and supplication with
strong crying and tears, for another's or their own Salvation, they might not be a "True Child of the Living GOD".
