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Anihilationism

JerryfromMass said:
About eternal life and etrnal punishment, the Word of God is clear: both are true.

About the deity of Jesus Christ, the Word of God is clear: Jesus is God in the flesh.

I may be wrong about the timing of the rapture, but the word of God is clear: there will be a rapture of the ekklesia.

What about you: what if you're wrong?
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You claim both are true, yet you continue to ignore the passages I posted. This is the logical fallacy of Cherry picking I can post many more if necessary.
 
Butch5 said:
You claim both are true, yet you continue to ignore the passages I posted. This is the logical fallacy of Cherry picking I can post many more if necessary.
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Your reading of scripture and definition of words is wrong. I've told you so repeatedly, but you're too proud to see.
 
JerryfromMass said:
All die and then comes judgment. The one that rejects God will be eternally punished, where the worm never dies, fire is never quenched, etrnal weeping and gnashing of teeth, forever and ever.
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Do you know what's burning in that place where the worm never dies? It's not people being tortured. It's dead bodies.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
(Isa. 66:23-24 KJV)

It's dead bodies that are burning where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.
 
Butch5 said:
Do you know what burning in that place where the worm never dies? It's not people being tortured. It's dead bodies.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
(Isa. 66:23-24 KJV)

It's dead bodies that are burning where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.
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From my dear friends at The Gospel Coalition: "The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

"The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36)."
 
JerryfromMass said:
Your reading of scripture and definition of words is wrong. I've told you so repeatedly, but you're too proud to see.
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No offense, but, 'because I said so' isn't an argument. I've shown from Scripture and logic that aion cannot mean eternal.

For the wave breast and the heave shoulder have I taken of the children of Israel from off the sacrifices of their peace offerings, and have given them unto Aaron the priest and unto his sons by a statute for ever from among the children of Israel. (Lev. 7:34 KJV)

Didn't Paul say that the priesthood had changed and that the Law had changed? How then can this statute be eternal?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. (Heb. 7:12 KJV)

How can statutes of the Mosaic Law be eternal when Paul said that the Law was changed.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (Eph. 2:1 KJV)

Paul says that Christ abolished the Law contained in ordinances, that's the Mosaic Law. How can those statutes be eternal? Paul said the Law ended.
 
Butch5 said:
No offense, but, 'because I said so' isn't an argument. I've shown from Scripture and logic that aion cannot mean eternal.

For the wave breast and the heave shoulder have I taken of the children of Israel from off the sacrifices of their peace offerings, and have given them unto Aaron the priest and unto his sons by a statute for ever from among the children of Israel. (Lev. 7:34 KJV)

Didn't Paul say that the priesthood had changed and that the Law had changed? How then can this statute be eternal?

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. (Heb. 7:12 KJV)

How can statutes of the Mosaic Law be eternal when Paul said that the Law was changed.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: (Eph. 2:1 KJV)

Paul says that Christ abolished the Law contained in ordinances, that's the Mosaic Law. How can those statutes be eternal? Paul said the Law ended.
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Have you not read? Tetelestai! The ceremony law was fulfilled by the perfect atoning sacrifice of our incarnate God Yeshua ha Messhiac.
 
JerryfromMass said:
From my dear friends at The Gospel Coalition: "The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

"The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36)."
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Posting people who agree with you doesn't make what you say correct. Again, you ignore the evidence that opposes your position. This is cherry picking. I could address all of this as I have in the past in coming to the position I now hold. However, I don't think it would be to any avail since you've not addressed the passages posted thus far.
 
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Butch5 said:
Does this mean you agree that aion doesn't mean eternal?
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JerryfromMass said:
Have you not read? Tetelestai! The ceremony law was fulfilled by the perfect atoning sacrifice of our incarnate God Yeshua ha Messhiac.
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Butch5 said:
Does this mean you agree that aion doesn't mean eternal?
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Perhaps you don't agree God is sovereign, but I do. Just as God changed HIS mind about punishing the people of Nineveh when they repented, God did away with the priestly ceremonial offerings when HE became the final blood sacrificial offering for the sins of the world. A sovereign God can do that, since all that is are HIS. Just as HE can punish the unrepentant sinner eternally in a place eternally separated from light and God, a lake of fire where the flame never goes out.
 
JerryfromMass said:
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Perhaps you don't agree God is sovereign, but I do. Just as God changed HIS mind about punishing the people of Nineveh when they repented, God did away with the priestly ceremonial offerings when HE became the final blood sacrificial offering for the sins of the world. A sovereign God can do that, since all that is are HIS. Just as HE can punish the unrepentant sinner eternally in a place eternally separated from light and God, a lake of fire where the flame never goes out.
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Well, this is going nowhere. If you decide you want to answer the questions let me know.
 
Butch5 said:
Well, this is going nowhere. If you decide you want to answer the questions let me know.
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I've answered all that you've posed. You choose to disagree with it all. All that's left now is for me and you to pray that you will come to a full knowledge of the truth. So be it.
 
JerryfromMass said:
I've answered all that you've posed. You choose to disagree with it all. All that's left now is for me and you to pray that you will come to a full knowledge of the truth. So be it.
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Seriously? I've asked you multiple times how something that ends can be eternal. I've asked you to address the passages I've posted. Crickets.
 
Butch5 said:
Seriously? I've asked you multiple times how something that ends can be eternal. I've asked you to address the passages I've posted. Crickets.
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When you admit that Jesus IS God in the flesh, and when you admit that these two words: aiōni and aiōnion, while each have the same root, each mean two distinct times: the former meaning ages and the latter meaning eternal, never-ending, everlasting, then we can dialogue further. Until then, go serve the Lord. Amen.
 
JerryfromMass said:
When you admit that Jesus IS God in the flesh, and when you admit that these two words: aiōni and aiōnion, while each have the same root, each mean two distinct times: the former meaning ages and the latter meaning eternal, never-ending, everlasting, then we can dialogue further. Until then, go serve the Lord. Amen.
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Still won't address them. K
 
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