“The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

[PloughBoy]

"Apostates", pertaining to the very "Words' of Jesus Christ , and have clothe themselves with "religious words" of mere men, and has cast off "the way" of the cross, and step into the shoes of "Hedonism" in the name of "Jesus" and giving Him thanks and praises for such a life. And proud to sing and give Him the Glory for the pearls that is not with a great cost. Falling to realize, the "Truth"! and The Truth is this:
(Luke 16) ASV 1901
14And the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things; and they scoffed at him. 15And he said unto them, Ye are they that justify yourselves in the sight of men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

16The law and the prophets were until John: from that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and every man entereth violently into it. 17But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of the law to fall.

"Sons of GOD" , we must stop giving that which is "HOLY" to Dogs and casting our pearls before "pigs". Jesus said: they will trun and tear us to pieces! Unconverted people are not innocent! The word is "Trust" and not the worldly word ,faith which is only "vain hope"! But we must trust what Jesus has said! Why call me LORD, LORD and do not the things i say? Be that Light that sits upon that HIl, and "Come Out From Among them", and be ye separate. Then they will Know You are Different! and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you as "Sons and Daughters".

1st we become children of GOD, at our spiritual birth and we think like children, Then there is a "point we Become "Sons of GOD" and we put aside "Childish" ways. for we have become "Mature" and we lean not unto our own understanding , and we have cease to pursuit our own will but has surrendered all and a life style of denying our desirers and accomplishments and materialistic goals and the pursuit to do great things for GOD! "For we have surrendered all."

We are not "liars"! Once you have been "Born from above", That is when our "Pilgrimage" begins, and only then. A Journey of "Self Denial" forsaking All! This journey is not a a journey of "happiness" as the world knows happiness! But is define; "Blessedness", meaning full of pain, and wounds, disappointments, Mis treated, dis honored, talked about, lied on, forsake by love ones, divorced and not remarrying and not being able to defend ourselves, and sometime full of shame but never denying HIS name. Stop sleeping with Dogs, and laying down with pigs in the mere! "come out from among them"! and be ye separated.

For my Mature Brothers and Sisters in Christ! We must stand and proclaim, for many cannot, but we must!

 

[The Kreisel]

"Apostates", pertaining to the very "Words' of Jesus Christ , and have clothe themselves with "religious words" of mere men, and has cast off "the way" of the cross, and step into the shoes of "Hedonism" in the name of "Jesus" and giving Him thanks and praises for such a life. And proud to sing and give Him the Glory for the pearls that is not with a great cost. Falling to realize, the "Truth"! and The Truth is this:
(Luke 16) ASV 1901
14And the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all these things; and they scoffed at him. 15And he said unto them, Ye are they that justify yourselves in the sight of men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

16The law and the prophets were until John: from that time the gospel of the kingdom of God is preached, and every man entereth violently into it. 17But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one tittle of the law to fall.

"Sons of GOD" , we must stop giving that which is "HOLY" to Dogs and casting our pearls before "pigs". Jesus said: they will trun and tear us to pieces! Unconverted people are not innocent! The word is "Trust" and not the worldly word ,faith which is only "vain hope"! But we must trust what Jesus has said! Why call me LORD, LORD and do not the things i say? Be that Light that sits upon that HIl, and "Come Out From Among them", and be ye separate. Then they will Know You are Different! and touch not the unclean thing, and I will receive you as "Sons and Daughters".

1st we become children of GOD, at our spiritual birth and we think like children, Then there is a "point we Become "Sons of GOD" and we put aside "Childish" ways. for we have become "Mature" and we lean not unto our own understanding , and we have cease to pursuit our own will but has surrendered all and a life style of denying our desirers and accomplishments and materialistic goals and the pursuit to do great things for GOD! "For we have surrendered all."

We are not "liars"! Once you have been "Born from above", That is when our "Pilgrimage" begins, and only then. A Journey of "Self Denial" forsaking All! This journey is not a a journey of "happiness" as the world knows happiness! But is define; "Blessedness", meaning full of pain, and wounds, disappointments, Mis treated, dis honored, talked about, lied on, forsake by love ones, divorced and not remarrying and not being able to defend ourselves, and sometime full of shame but never denying HIS name. Stop sleeping with Dogs, and laying down with pigs in the mere! "come out from among them"! and be ye separated.

For my Mature Brothers and Sisters in Christ! We must stand and proclaim, for many cannot, but we must!

Nah, "We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed. FORSAKE HER, and LET EACH MAN GO INTO HIS OWN COUNTRY" - Jeremiah 51:9.

You won't find me pulling the teeth of all those Five Foolish Virgins = carnal minded christians.

 

[PloughBoy]

Nah, "We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed. FORSAKE HER, and LET EACH MAN GO INTO HIS OWN COUNTRY" - Jeremiah 51:9.

You won't find me pulling the teeth of all those Five Foolish Virgins = carnal minded christians.

Which "Babylon" or "type and shadows" era are you referring to. Since the old testament in Jeremiah, is a actual city of brick and mortal and straw. Or are you speaking about "The modern day "Babylon" a "type and shadow" of the "Institutionalize church". Since "Christianity" has so many "schools of thoughts" in such matters.

And why are you bringing up "Babylon", since my thread has "Absolutely Nothing" to do with Babylon whatsoever. I made a statement at the end of my post, who I was addressing, for all others have no Idea what I am referring to, no matter how well they know words and definitions.

as stated:
"For my Mature Brothers and Sisters in Christ! We must stand and proclaim, for many cannot, but we must!".

The words i am speaking are hidden words. for only certain ones are able to understand. So if you would like to talk about "Babylon" , their are "threads' on talk Jesus referring to that discussion. And they will welcome your input.

Shalpm.

 

[B-A-C]

I think... (assume) he is sort of agreeing with you here.

Jer 51:9; We would have helped her if we could,
but nothing can save her now.
Let her go; abandon her.
Return now to your own land.
For her punishment reaches to the heavens;
it is so great it cannot be measured.

Babylon has returned to her sin, the dog returns to it's own vomit.

2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

Heb 6:4; For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Luke 8:13; Those on the rocky soil are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and yet these do not have a firm root; they believe for a while, and in a time of temptation they fall away.
Luke 8:14; And the seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked by worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and they bring no fruit to maturity.

It wasn't like they never had any fruit at all... they just don't bring it "to maturity".

1Tim 4:1; But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Matt 25:8; But the foolish virgins said to the prudent ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’

It isn't like they never had any oil at all, they just ran out after a while.

Rev 2:4; But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.
Rev 2:5; Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

Psalms 69:28; May they be wiped out of the book of life,
And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Rev 3:5; The one who overcomes will be clothed the same way, in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Exod 32:33; However, the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will wipe him out of My book.

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

 

[The Kreisel]

Which "Babylon" or "type and shadows" era are you referring to. Since the old testament in Jeremiah, is a actual city of brick and mortal and straw. Or are you speaking about "The modern day "Babylon" a "type and shadow" of the "Institutionalize church". Since "Christianity" has so many "schools of thoughts" in such matters.

And why are you bringing up "Babylon", since my thread has "Absolutely Nothing" to do with Babylon whatsoever. I made a statement at the end of my post, who I was addressing, for all others have no Idea what I am referring to, no matter how well they know words and definitions.

as stated:
"For my Mature Brothers and Sisters in Christ! We must stand and proclaim, for many cannot, but we must!".

The words i am speaking are hidden words. for only certain ones are able to understand. So if you would like to talk about "Babylon" , their are "threads' on talk Jesus referring to that discussion. And they will welcome your input.

Shalpm.

II Peter 1:12 The prophets did not speak unto themselves, but unto us did they minister.

Babylon is the realm of death (essentially everywhere), whereas Zion is the realm of life.

 

[The Kreisel]

I think... (assume) he is sort of agreeing with you here.

Jer 51:9; We would have helped her if we could,
but nothing can save her now.
Let her go; abandon her.
Return now to your own land.
For her punishment reaches to the heavens;
it is so great it cannot be measured.

Babylon has returned to her sin, the dog returns to it's own vomit.

2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

Heb 6:4; For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
Heb 6:5; and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Heb 6:6; and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

Luke 8:13; Those on the rocky soil are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and yet these do not have a firm root; they believe for a while, and in a time of temptation they fall away.
Luke 8:14; And the seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked by worries, riches, and pleasures of this life, and they bring no fruit to maturity.

It wasn't like they never had any fruit at all... they just don't bring it "to maturity".

1Tim 4:1; But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Matt 25:8; But the foolish virgins said to the prudent ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’

It isn't like they never had any oil at all, they just ran out after a while.

Rev 2:4; But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.
Rev 2:5; Therefore, remember from where you have fallen, and repent, and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and I will remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

Psalms 69:28; May they be wiped out of the book of life,
And may they not be recorded with the righteous.

Rev 3:5; The one who overcomes will be clothed the same way, in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

Exod 32:33; However, the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will wipe him out of My book.

Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;

To bring it to a finer point. Christians return to their vomit by "living after the flesh and dying" - Rom 8:13a
They most all are of the Five Foolish Virgins, in the Wide Gate to Death. No Book of Life for them.
So they'll have to begin again.

 

[PloughBoy]

II Peter 1:12 The prophets did not speak unto themselves, but unto us did they minister.

Babylon is the realm of death (essentially everywhere), whereas Zion is the realm of life.

That statement is not the "Word of GOD" but your words. For you are not my "Shepherd" others may follow your truth, but not me.! I have only One LORD and Master, One Teacher and One Guide. One Savior, and I will not follow another! So may your followers learn what the Truth is, , in the Name Of Jesus!
Sorry, Regurgitation is not my thing. It seems your followers do not need the "Holy Ghost" they got you.

 

[Born Again 2004]

This a picture of non-believers. In Ancient days , dogs were considered repugnant ("returning to their on vomit") and therefore evil. This is symbolic of non-believers that wallow in and return to their on sin!

 

[B-A-C]

This a picture of non-believers. In Ancient days , dogs were considered repugnant ("returning to their on vomit") and therefore evil. This is symbolic of non-believers that wallow in and return to their on sin!

Non believers don't "return" to their sin. They are always in it. You can only return to something that you have left.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Non believers don't "return" to their sin. They are always in it. You can only return to something that you have left.

Lol! We have been at this for a long time! Your logic defies all I understand!

 

[Born Again 2004]

Lol! We have been at this for a long time! Your logic defies all I understand!

We may not agree on much and though none of us know exactly how, I think we can agree that Jesus is Lord and Savior!

 

[Born Again 2004]

We may not agree on much and though none of us know exactly how, I think we can agree that Jesus is Lord and Savior!

Do we have agreement?

 

[PloughBoy]

This a picture of non-believers. In Ancient days , dogs were considered repugnant ("returning to their on vomit") and therefore evil. This is symbolic of non-believers that wallow in and return to their on sin!

I think it is exactly meant, what Jesus "the Son of GOD" meant it too mean. And, The Holy Ghost is doing His Job, and has made sure "We" the "Elect" of GOD got His message, without the aid of a mere mortal, as a Interpreter in this day and age.

Now since it looks like you know more than GOD, And you are telling 'us" what GOD means or meant in referring to dogs in this statement, His proclamation to His selected few, Please let me remind you of what Jesus said, concerning His "Parables".

(Matt. 13) KJV.
"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand."

(Mark 4)KJV.
"And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.?

Jesus did not train or teach or feed devils, the "Manna" that comes from Heaven.
For God, knows all the "Apostates" before the foundations of the "WORLD". And Jesus said: "it is not right to take the "Children's bread and toss it to dogs"!

Now you stated this in the "indicative". "This a picture of non-believers. In Ancient days , dogs were considered repugnant". you said

Jesus did not say this, one of you are wrong! Since you had to explain what Jesus meant to say. And it seem Jesus needed you! Because HIm came up short!

I see right now, I am going to have to be lot more careful on "TalkJesus", because, some of this stuff, I cannot believe my ears. And the "HOLY GHOST" that is in me, is warming up! A lot of you are "COLD" and "WARM"! dull and No Fire, No anointing on your words, full of worldly terms and doctrines of men. I don't see how a "True Child of GOD" can even engage in such chatter., of worldly "Speculations" of "unBiblical Truth". And not be effected. The world has Fellowship we are supposed to have "Koinonia", for our "Hearts Burns when we have "Koinonia", He is right there in our mist, and we know it. By word, by letter, by phone, at the street corner, by reply, by Thread and post , at the grocery store, unknown yet known. or just pass one another walking down the street!

On a "Thread" not to long ago and said "We have been over ran! And by the response of some, They had no Idea what i said. Many do not know anything about the Heavenly and heavenly words and Heavenly truths and have no desired for it! But they love worldly truths , and worldly christianity, and worldly love, and worldly religious ways, This world it seems has become "DEAD"unto the true ways of GOD! The Whole World in the Name Of "Christianity", have come off its "Axis", it would seem, to those who have "Observed" throughout the last few centuries. The ""Etymology" has been ignored, Antinomianism has risen to new heights, Hedonism has blended with christianity that has produce and polished Westernization, eisegesis has become the queen of Bible reading with no "king" whatsoever or desired. Forms Methodology & Hermeneutics, have been spoken as if it was evil among the masses of "Christians" who proclaim that the "Son of GOD" is our Savior. Canon of Scripture, has no regard in their minds, or the differences in sound Doctrine, let along a "sound Translation" of a reliable "translation" of the "Original Copied Manuscript Text " And GOD the Father has present all of these things and tools, that there will be no excuse, to not knowing what is to come. And many do not realize, they will curse Him to His face, on a day they thought they would not do such a thing as this.

Many do not know that our Victory is in our defeat. The world will rejoice, and we will cry. The tears will be so great, that is why it will take a "GOD" to wipe our tears away.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I'm not telling you what God meant as much as what Ancient Jews thought...they regarded Dogs as unholy and evil, one of the reasons is because as Dogs would "return to their vomit". The Bible is FULL of analogies..I think God may very well have used it as symbolic of the unholy and the unrighteous non- believer who returns to sin over and over again with out regard.
What use is the Bible if we don't try and discern it's meaning.

What do you say "returning to it's vomit" means?

 

[PloughBoy]

I'm not telling you what God meant as much as what Ancient Jews thought...they regarded Dogs as unholy and evil, one of the reasons is because as Dogs would "return to their vomit". The Bible is FULL of analogies..I think God may very well have used it as symbolic of the unholy and the unrighteous non- believer who returns to sin over and over again with out regard.
What use is the Bible if we don't try and discern it's meaning.

What do you say "returning to it's vomit" means?

a. You mean at one time, "Jews" or Hebrew" people thought they were "holy"?

b. One thing for sure, only a few, people had the "Holy Spirit" residing in them, when we are relating to the 4 Gospels in the "New testament writings. Those two are "John the Baptist" and "Jesus Christ".

C. The Hebrew people had to move from "Judaism" to "The Way". [The Way of Jesus Christ]. So they had to be taught by the "Apostles" or "Jesus" for their was no "instruction book" outside off the "OT". There was no "Testament" writings. So, Once they had begin to be taught in "The Way" , which was a moving away from "Judaism". and by moving forward but had not been "Born from Upon " yet. But pressing on in things that was taught, by Christ and disciples and all of the opposition, pressure and uncertainty that one had to endure before they receive the "Power" from on high, to have the "ability" to follow "The Way" of Christ. Some could not stand the pressure.

Now may I say this, Some start on this Journey before they are "Born from above', they learn and begin to follow a certain type of "morality" , they have been "Baptize", either "sprinkle or Dunk", in the name of JESUS,, and confess that Jesus is the Christ. And that is it, they think they have been "Born of GOD"! So far from the "Truth". Now these people go on, for sometimes years, live good moral somewhat lives. Slowly but surely, then, maybe not knowing to many, they have turn around and living a life opposite than the "Christian morality" or have rejected the "Pilgrimage" that they had begun, In the Beginning. Of Their "Confession". And during those times, all alone they thought they were " A true Child of GOD". Now they have turn away from that "Pursuit", by ignorance or discouragement, or the excitement and Love of Christ is not there. They have not the "Power' of The Holy Ghost to endure.

So, it is a "Aphorism" in a parable form, given by Jesus, for His "disciples" that will come to their mind once they have received power from on High, that most likely it is a view and a understanding of "Apostasy". And also a wakening to some of us, who have wondered away, at times and those very words has lead us back unto fold.

I am more of a agreement, in what you have said. So my full intention is "Apostasy", that I am willing to believe can only be achieve only by those who have been term; "Nominal- christians".

 

[Born Again 2004]

a. You mean at one time, "Jews" or Hebrew" people thought they were "holy"?

b. One thing for sure, only a few, people had the "Holy Spirit" residing in them, when we are relating to the 4 Gospels in the "New testament writings. Those two are "John the Baptist" and "Jesus Christ".

C. The Hebrew people had to move from "Judaism" to "The Way". [The Way of Jesus Christ]. So they had to be taught by the "Apostles" or "Jesus" for their was no "instruction book" outside off the "OT". There was no "Testament" writings. So, Once they had begin to be taught in "The Way" , which was a moving away from "Judaism". and by moving forward but had not been "Born from Upon " yet. But pressing on in things that was taught, by Christ and disciples and all of the opposition, pressure and uncertainty that one had to endure before they receive the "Power" from on high, to have the "ability" to follow "The Way" of Christ. Some could not stand the pressure.

Now may I say this, Some start on this Journey before they are "Born from above', they learn and begin to follow a certain type of "morality" , they have been "Baptize", either "sprinkle or Dunk", in the name of JESUS,, and confess that Jesus is the Christ. And that is it, they think they have been "Born of GOD"! So far from the "Truth". Now these people go on, for sometimes years, live good moral somewhat lives. Slowly but surely, then, maybe not knowing to many, they have turn around and living a life opposite than the "Christian morality" or have rejected the "Pilgrimage" that they had begun, In the Beginning. Of Their "Confession". And during those times, all alone they thought they were " A true Child of GOD". Now they have turn away from that "Pursuit", by ignorance or discouragement, or the excitement and Love of Christ is not there. They have not the "Power' of The Holy Ghost to endure.

So, it is a "Aphorism" in a parable form, given by Jesus, for His "disciples" that will come to their mind once they have received power from on High, that most likely it is a view and a understanding of "Apostasy". And also a wakening to some of us, who have wondered away, at times and those very words has lead us back unto fold.

I am more of a agreement, in what you have said. So my full intention is "Apostasy", that I am willing to believe can only be achieve only by those who have been term; "Nominal- christians".

a. You are putting words in my mouth and that is unfortunate. NO, as best as I understand it, they did not like Dogs and Pigs because they felt they were unclean and, therefore unholy!
I don't know how the felt about each other, I do know, according to the Bible, that Jesus disliked the Pharisees because they thought they were Holy.
b. And your point is?
c. Biblical history teaches us that but what does have to with my talk about dogs and pigs and what God was telling us?...

I have no idea what you are trying to say?
If we were to come to any kind of agreement, it is that Jesus is Lord and Savior!....Amen?

 

[PloughBoy]

a. You are putting words in my mouth and that is unfortunate. NO, as best as I understand it, they did not like Dogs and Pigs because they felt they were unclean and, therefore unholy!
I don't know how the felt about each other, I do know, according to the Bible, that Jesus disliked the Pharisees because they thought they were Holy.
b. And your point is?
c. Biblical history teaches us that but what does have to with my talk about dogs and pigs and what God was telling us?...

I have no idea what you are trying to say?
If we were to come to any kind of agreement, it is that Jesus is Lord and Savior!....Amen?

Ok, i am clear now, we are not in agreement concern culrure and The text inquired about. And i am in agreement with the devil and demons also that "Jesus Christ" is the "Son of GOD". and their Creator, The very Word of God, That created everything that exist that has ever been created. So is "The Son of The Living GOD" that has always been with The Father and will forever be.

So. Must I say again to be clear, Me and you are not in Agreement concerning , The Living Christ the only begotten Son of The LORD "GOD ALMIGHTY". We are not the same. I am more in tune with what the devil believes in the "Word of GOD" than what me and you have in commom concerning to "Truth" in "GODS" Word.

Now, what does that makes me,? "Bema Seat", or "Judgment at The White Throne". Will reveal my , penalty, for sure i am not a "christian". By my own words. So please don't treat me like one, it is a insult to place upon me something I am absolutely not. Even our culture stands on this ground even today and is respected and backed up by the laws of our land. If a person says that they are a man, you must honor that person statement, if a person says they are a woman you must honor that persons statement. If not, most likeily you will pay a penalty before the judge.

So we are not in Agreement concerning "The Son of The Living GOD" who is the "Word of GOD" and always will be.

So please do not be Alarm, there are. Many who are not in agreement concerning "The Truth". " Christians, Theologians of all sorts, Critical Scholars, Atheists, The Religious, Most likely this age will see death. And the door behind that. And that will be a "Absolute". "One Truth" no Specluations. Dogs and pigs aint going to matter.

 

[B-A-C]

2Pet 2:19; promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
2Pet 2:20; For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
2Pet 2:21; For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
2Pet 2:22; It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

We can't escape the defilements of the world on our own. We can't un-defile ourselves. If we could, we wouldn't need Jesus.
Yet the people in the passage "escaped the defilements of the world". How did they do that without Jesus?

It says they did this through the "Lord and Savior Jesus Christ".

It says they are "again" entangled in the defilements of the world. In order to do something again, I have to stop doing it for a period of time.
If I commit fornication every single day, then I never stopped doing it. I am "still" doing it.
If I committed fornication for a long time, and then stopped for a long time, ( months, years).. but then went back to doing it "again". Again infers stopping and re-starting.

It says "a sow 'after washing' ". What can wash us clean? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. How did this pig get clean? But even though this pig was clean, he got dirty again.

People who have become "undefiled" and cleansed by the blood of Jesus, can become defiled again, if they try hard enough.

Matt 15:18; "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
Heb 12:15; See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;

Only those who believe in Jesus escape the defilements of the world. Only those who believe in Jesus can be washed clean.
We don't have the power or the desire to quit sinning unless Jesus/Holy Spirit helps us. Yet the people in this verse did it... for a while.
But even those who have been cleaned, can become defiled again.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Ok, i am clear now, we are not in agreement concern culrure and The text inquired about. And i am in agreement with the devil and demons also that "Jesus Christ" is the "Son of GOD". and their Creator, The very Word of God, That created everything that exist that has ever been created. So is "The Son of The Living GOD" that has always been with The Father and will forever be.

So. Must I say again to be clear, Me and you are not in Agreement concerning , The Living Christ the only begotten Son of The LORD "GOD ALMIGHTY". We are not the same. I am more in tune with what the devil believes in the "Word of GOD" than what me and you have in commom concerning to "Truth" in "GODS" Word.
Then , can I take it that you are not Christia



Now, what does that makes me,? "Bema Seat", or "Judgment at The White Throne". Will reveal my , penalty, for sure i am not a "christian". By my own words. So please don't treat me like one, it is a insult to place upon me something I am absolutely not. Even our culture stands on this ground even today and is respected and backed up by the laws of our land. If a person says that they are a man, you must honor that person statement, if a person says they are a woman you must honor that persons statement. If not, most likeily you will pay a penalty before the judge.

So we are not in Agreement concerning "The Son of The Living GOD" who is the "Word of GOD" and always will be.

So please do not be Alarm, there are. Many who are not in agreement concerning "The Truth". " Christians, Theologians of all sorts, Critical Scholars, Atheists, The Religious, Most likely this age will see death. And the door behind that. And that will be a "Absolute". "One Truth" no Specluations. Dogs and pigs aint going to matter.

So, can I take it that you are not a Christian believing solely in the finished work of Christ?

 

[B-A-C]

So, can I take it that you are not a Christian believing solely in the finished work of Christ?

Heb 4:3; For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4; For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";
Heb 4:5; and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."
Heb 4:6; Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

Even though Jesus's work is finished, ours is not. We still have to be obedient.