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Sins cannot be charged!

Our relationship has been tenous at best but you KEEP bringing up statements, that to me, are not factual. Don't get me wrong, though it solely belongs to God to make the ultimate judgement, it does appear that you are a Christian but , at times you seem to be a bit misguided. In the above case, though, in my opinion, you have the imputation correct, where as, the Saints are the believers. But , as far as, doing wrong , Satan would encourage and applaud such bad behavior, that's what he does with all non-believers; all the time. As apposed, believers are given the Holy Spirit to chastise and correct bad behavior!
Ok Chew on this...Written to the saints.

1 John 1:9 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
9 If we acknowledge our sins, then, since he is trustworthy and just, he will forgive them and purify us from all wrongdoing.
When we play in the mud we get dirty....We go to God with it and he'll clean us up.....Just like raising a bunch of children hey?
 
Ok Chew on this...Written to the saints.

1 John 1:9 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
9 If we acknowledge our sins, then, since he is trustworthy and just, he will forgive them and purify us from all wrongdoing.
When we play in the mud we get dirty....We go to God with it and he'll clean us up.....Just like raising a bunch of children hey?
We are talking about "Grown up Christians" mature in their faith, not children as yourself...God sees through your sarcasm!
Please answer all my previous questions.
 
We are talking about "Grown up Christians" mature in their faith, not children as yourself...God sees through your sarcasm!
Please answer all my previous questions.
Yes sir, but we are NOT grown up Christians...are we? We're learning and growing line upon line, precept upon precept....
 
1 Cor 15:3-4

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

If Christ died for our sins, for He didn't die for everyone's sins, but if we're blessed to be of those He did die for, namely His Sheep or Church, then one thing is for certain, our sins cannot and will not be charged to us.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 1
We should look at that verse in context...What is being spoken of here?
Romans 4 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

4 Then what should we say Avraham, our forefather, obtained by his own efforts? 2 For if Avraham came to be considered righteous by God because of legalistic observances, then he has something to boast about. But this is not how it is before God! 3 For what does the Tanakh say? “Avraham put his trust in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness.”[a] 4 Now the account of someone who is working is credited not on the ground of grace but on the ground of what is owed him. 5 However, in the case of one who is not working but rather is trusting in him who makes ungodly people righteous, his trust is credited to him as righteousness.


6 In the same way, the blessing which David pronounces is on those whom God credits with righteousness apart from legalistic observances:


7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered over;

8 Blessed is the man whose sin Adonai
will not reckon against his account.”
[b]

9 Now is this blessing for the circumcised only? Or is it also for the uncircumcised? For we say that Avraham’s trust was credited to his account as righteousness; 10 but what state was he in when it was so credited — circumcision or uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision! 11 In fact, he received circumcision as a sign, as a seal of the righteousness he had been credited with on the ground of the trust he had while he was still uncircumcised. This happened so that he could be the father of every uncircumcised person who trusts and thus has righteousness credited to him, 12 and at the same time be the father of every circumcised person who not only has had a b’rit-milah, but also follows in the footsteps of the trust which Avraham avinu had when he was still uncircumcised.


13 For the promise to Avraham and his seed[c] that he would inherit the world did not come through legalism but through the righteousness that trust produces. 14 For if the heirs are produced by legalism, then trust is pointless and the promise worthless. 15 For what law brings is punishment. But where there is no law, there is also no violation.


16 The reason the promise is based on trusting is so that it may come as God’s free gift, a promise that can be relied on by all the seed, not only those who live within the framework of the Torah, but also those with the kind of trust Avraham had — Avraham avinu for all of us. 17 This accords with the Tanakh, where it says, “I have appointed you to be a father to many nations.”[d] Avraham is our father in God’s sight because he trusted God as the one who gives life to the dead and calls nonexistent things into existence. 18 For he was past hope, yet in hope he trusted that he would indeed become a father to many nations, in keeping with what he had been told, “So many will your seed be.”[e] 19 His trust did not waver when he considered his own body — which was as good as dead, since he was about a hundred years old — or when he considered that Sarah’s womb was dead too. 20 He did not by lack of trust decide against God’s promises. On the contrary, by trust he was given power as he gave glory to God, 21 for he was fully convinced that what God had promised he could also accomplish. 22 This is why it was credited to his account as righteousness.[f]


23 But the words, “it was credited to his account . . . ,” were not written for him only. 24 They were written also for us, who will certainly have our account credited too, because we have trusted in him who raised Yeshua our Lord from the dead — 25 Yeshua, who was delivered over to death because of our offences and raised to life in order to make us righteous.

Does it say we don't sin? Does it say we do not get dirty by disobedience? How does this thing of 'our sin is not imputed to us' line up with the rest of the bible....."If we confess our sin..." Our sin? Sin is not imputed?
 
I have given them to three times, friend.
You believe in salvation by the law, not grace. I was done with you before but now I believe your lost; I'm dusting off my feet for good!
So You pass judgment...I simply asked you for help remembering the questions.... You should read my bio... you might understand what you are dealing with. Maybe your religiousness is getting in the way?
 
We should look at that verse in context...What is being spoken of here?
Romans 4 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

4 Then what should we say Avraham, our forefather, obtained by his own efforts? 2 For if Avraham came to be considered righteous by God because of legalistic observances, then he has something to boast about. But this is not how it is before God! 3 For what does the Tanakh say? “Avraham put his trust in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness.”[a] 4 Now the account of someone who is working is credited not on the ground of grace but on the ground of what is owed him. 5 However, in the case of one who is not working but rather is trusting in him who makes ungodly people righteous, his trust is credited to him as righteousness.


6 In the same way, the blessing which David pronounces is on those whom God credits with righteousness apart from legalistic observances:


7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered over;

8 Blessed is the man whose sin Adonai
will not reckon against his account.”
[b]

9 Now is this blessing for the circumcised only? Or is it also for the uncircumcised? For we say that Avraham’s trust was credited to his account as righteousness; 10 but what state was he in when it was so credited — circumcision or uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision! 11 In fact, he received circumcision as a sign, as a seal of the righteousness he had been credited with on the ground of the trust he had while he was still uncircumcised. This happened so that he could be the father of every uncircumcised person who trusts and thus has righteousness credited to him, 12 and at the same time be the father of every circumcised person who not only has had a b’rit-milah, but also follows in the footsteps of the trust which Avraham avinu had when he was still uncircumcised.


13 For the promise to Avraham and his seed[c] that he would inherit the world did not come through legalism but through the righteousness that trust produces. 14 For if the heirs are produced by legalism, then trust is pointless and the promise worthless. 15 For what law brings is punishment. But where there is no law, there is also no violation.


16 The reason the promise is based on trusting is so that it may come as God’s free gift, a promise that can be relied on by all the seed, not only those who live within the framework of the Torah, but also those with the kind of trust Avraham had — Avraham avinu for all of us. 17 This accords with the Tanakh, where it says, “I have appointed you to be a father to many nations.”[d] Avraham is our father in God’s sight because he trusted God as the one who gives life to the dead and calls nonexistent things into existence. 18 For he was past hope, yet in hope he trusted that he would indeed become a father to many nations, in keeping with what he had been told, “So many will your seed be.”[e] 19 His trust did not waver when he considered his own body — which was as good as dead, since he was about a hundred years old — or when he considered that Sarah’s womb was dead too. 20 He did not by lack of trust decide against God’s promises. On the contrary, by trust he was given power as he gave glory to God, 21 for he was fully convinced that what God had promised he could also accomplish. 22 This is why it was credited to his account as righteousness.[f]


23 But the words, “it was credited to his account . . . ,” were not written for him only. 24 They were written also for us, who will certainly have our account credited too, because we have trusted in him who raised Yeshua our Lord from the dead — 25 Yeshua, who was delivered over to death because of our offences and raised to life in order to make us righteous.

Does it say we don't sin? Does it say we do not get dirty by disobedience? How does this thing of 'our sin is not imputed to us' line up with the rest of the bible....."If we confess our sin..." Our sin? Sin is not imputed?
I know the context, I found the blessed truth within it. Some wi
We should look at that verse in context...What is being spoken of here?
Romans 4 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

4 Then what should we say Avraham, our forefather, obtained by his own efforts? 2 For if Avraham came to be considered righteous by God because of legalistic observances, then he has something to boast about. But this is not how it is before God! 3 For what does the Tanakh say? “Avraham put his trust in God, and it was credited to his account as righteousness.”[a] 4 Now the account of someone who is working is credited not on the ground of grace but on the ground of what is owed him. 5 However, in the case of one who is not working but rather is trusting in him who makes ungodly people righteous, his trust is credited to him as righteousness.


6 In the same way, the blessing which David pronounces is on those whom God credits with righteousness apart from legalistic observances:


7 “Blessed are those whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered over;

8 Blessed is the man whose sin Adonai
will not reckon against his account.”
[b]

9 Now is this blessing for the circumcised only? Or is it also for the uncircumcised? For we say that Avraham’s trust was credited to his account as righteousness; 10 but what state was he in when it was so credited — circumcision or uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision! 11 In fact, he received circumcision as a sign, as a seal of the righteousness he had been credited with on the ground of the trust he had while he was still uncircumcised. This happened so that he could be the father of every uncircumcised person who trusts and thus has righteousness credited to him, 12 and at the same time be the father of every circumcised person who not only has had a b’rit-milah, but also follows in the footsteps of the trust which Avraham avinu had when he was still uncircumcised.


13 For the promise to Avraham and his seed[c] that he would inherit the world did not come through legalism but through the righteousness that trust produces. 14 For if the heirs are produced by legalism, then trust is pointless and the promise worthless. 15 For what law brings is punishment. But where there is no law, there is also no violation.


16 The reason the promise is based on trusting is so that it may come as God’s free gift, a promise that can be relied on by all the seed, not only those who live within the framework of the Torah, but also those with the kind of trust Avraham had — Avraham avinu for all of us. 17 This accords with the Tanakh, where it says, “I have appointed you to be a father to many nations.”[d] Avraham is our father in God’s sight because he trusted God as the one who gives life to the dead and calls nonexistent things into existence. 18 For he was past hope, yet in hope he trusted that he would indeed become a father to many nations, in keeping with what he had been told, “So many will your seed be.”[e] 19 His trust did not waver when he considered his own body — which was as good as dead, since he was about a hundred years old — or when he considered that Sarah’s womb was dead too. 20 He did not by lack of trust decide against God’s promises. On the contrary, by trust he was given power as he gave glory to God, 21 for he was fully convinced that what God had promised he could also accomplish. 22 This is why it was credited to his account as righteousness.[f]


23 But the words, “it was credited to his account . . . ,” were not written for him only. 24 They were written also for us, who will certainly have our account credited too, because we have trusted in him who raised Yeshua our Lord from the dead — 25 Yeshua, who was delivered over to death because of our offences and raised to life in order to make us righteous.

Does it say we don't sin? Does it say we do not get dirty by disobedience? How does this thing of 'our sin is not imputed to us' line up with the rest of the bible....."If we confess our sin..." Our sin? Sin is not imputed?
I know the context, thats where I found and read the Truth of non imputation !
 
admon


Does it say we don't sin? Does it say we do not get dirty by disobedience? How does this thing of 'our sin is not imputed to us' line up with the rest of the bible....."If we confess our sin..." Our sin? Sin is not imputed?

Those who dont have their sins imputed to their charge are sinners still. They just dont have their sin laid to their account to ever be condemned for them. Its okay for them to confess their sins to God, but they do so with the knowledge of knowing their sins cant be laid to their account because they were laid to Christ and He suffered punishment due to them.
 
1 Cor 15:3-4

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

If Christ died for our sins, for He didn't die for everyone's sins, but if we're blessed to be of those He did die for, namely His Sheep or Church, then one thing is for certain, our sins cannot and will not be charged to us.

Rom 4:8

Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 1
'For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through Him might be saved.
He that believeth on Him is not condemned:
but He that believeth not is condemned already,
because He hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'

(John 3:16-18)

Hello @Brightfame52,

Yes indeed! Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
admon
Those who dont have their sins imputed to their charge are sinners still. They just dont have their sin laid to their account to ever be condemned for them. Its okay for them to confess their sins to God, but they do so with the knowledge of knowing their sins cant be laid to their account because they were laid to Christ and He suffered punishment due to them.
Hello @Brightfame52,

Yes, if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we are without sin, we lie and the truth is not in us. We are to reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

No believer would use the knowledge of God's imputation of righteousness as a licence to sin, but will be sincerely grateful for God's wondrous grace, and will seek to walk worthy of such.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Hello @Brightfame52,

Yes, if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we are without sin, we lie and the truth is not in us. We are to reckon ourselves to be dead indeed unto sin but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

No believer would use the knowledge of God's imputation of righteousness as a licence to sin, but will be sincerely grateful for God's wondrous grace, and will seek to walk worthy of such.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Amen, and we are not capable doing it perfectly, which He would require..
Thanks be to God for giving us Jesus!
 
And, another way of stating it is not all men receive the faith to believe . I know that only God gives it, it is a gift to us, as per Ephesians 2: 8-9. Who has the power to understand what God is capable of other than being taught He is Omnipotent. What I can't say is how or when He exactly gives this gift. I am fairly sure it is during salvation but when that exactly happens is not clear to me...it probably occurs during some act of understanding and reconciliation of one's sin, and then the Ephesians verse occurs; maybe it occurs while reading or hearing the word like the Bible says, after all it is His word and it supposed to be living! REGARDLESS, I Think He gives us the faith and belief! I know, because it happened to me! For me, I was saved first, then I read the word because I had this thirst for knowledge and I received affirmation!
I was walking home from primary school, wondering what my job would be when I got older, the first word that entered my head was priest. What felt like electricity ran through me just as I said that, from that moment forward life was never the same. So he decides who to give that blessing to. Now that doesnt stop others from asking for Faith and salvation, as no one will be turned away. Some however are chosen, the elect, for the glory of God.
 
And, another way of stating it is not all men receive the faith to believe . I know that only God gives it, it is a gift to us, as per Ephesians 2: 8-9. Who has the power to understand what God is capable of other than being taught He is Omnipotent. What I can't say is how or when He exactly gives this gift. I am fairly sure it is during salvation but when that exactly happens is not clear to me...it probably occurs during some act of understanding and reconciliation of one's sin, and then the Ephesians verse occurs; maybe it occurs while reading or hearing the word like the Bible says, after all it is His word and it supposed to be living! REGARDLESS, I Think He gives us the faith and belief! I know, because it happened to me! For me, I was saved first, then I read the word because I had this thirst for knowledge and I received affirmation!
You realize that the phrase "faith to believe" makes no sense? Belief and faith are the same thing. So I have faith to have faith? Or I believe to believe? C'mon man! lol I had to put that qise quoute from president Bidet there.
 
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