Sins cannot be charged!

[Brightfame52]

Sorry, I really haven't: that was an interesting comment of yours; just thought you might want to explain it further? I have no ax to grind.

Gotcha.

 

[Brightfame52]

admon

,One does not get saved without believing,

Works salvation friend !

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

admon


Works salvation friend !

Now that was an ambiguous answer...Are you saying salvation is because of believing/trusting/faith. What are you saying?

 

[Brightfame52]

Now that was an ambiguous answer...Are you saying salvation is because of believing/trusting/faith. What are you saying?

You seem to condition salvation on something you do. Am I right?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You seem to condition salvation on something you do. Am I right?

NO sir.... Salvation is based on faith...There is nothing that God gives us that does not come by faith...By grace are ye saved though (or by the uses of) faith. Using your faith for salvation is not DOING something....Its simply trusting God's Word. Its simply trusting that God did it all.

 

[Brightfame52]

NO sir.... Salvation is based on faith...There is nothing that God gives us that does not come by faith...By grace are ye saved though (or by the uses of) faith. Using your faith for salvation is not DOING something....Its simply trusting God's Word. Its simply trusting that God did it all.

Yes if you claim you are saved because you used your faith to get saved that is salvation by your work. Real faith is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Yes if you claim you are saved because you used your faith to get saved that is salvation by your work. Real faith is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22.

You just don't believe , God gives you belief...that's how you know your saved!

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Yes if you claim you are saved because you used your faith to get saved that is salvation by your work. Real faith is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22.

You might want to read post #60 See what I said about faith. I don't know where you get your doctrines but its not from WORD.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You just don't believe , God gives you belief...that's how you know your saved!

How does God give you belief? UPS package... or from the hearing of the Word? Belief comes from the Word! Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
So in that respect, you're right...Faith/ belied comes from God...Jesus is the Word.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Your sarcasm is unwarranted! Faith and belief are the different sides of the same coin regardless, they come from God.
Ephesians 2:8-9.
Do you have belief?
Did it come from God or did you produce it?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Your sarcasm is unwarranted! Faith and belief are the different sides of the same coin regardless, they come from God.
Ephesians 2:8-9.
Do you have belief?
Did it come from God or did you produce it?

As I pointed out above...Belief comes from hearing the Word.

 

[Born Again 2004]

As I pointed out above...Belief comes from hearing the Word.

So you read the word and therefore you find belief or did God give it to you?
Have you been saved?
Who saved you?

 

[Brightfame52]

You might want to read post #60 See what I said about faith. I don't know where you get your doctrines but its not from WORD.

I read what you posted and responded accordingly.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I joined this group so I would have someone to discuss Word with until I pass....Now I'm really wondering why I'm wasting my time here....So few want to believe the Word and it seems everybody wants to just argue and fight.

I read what you posted and responded accordingly.

Then its pretty obvious that we're not speaking the same language.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I joined this group so I would have someone to discuss Word with until I pass....Now I'm really wondering why I'm wasting my time here....So few want to believe the Word and it seems everybody wants to just argue and fight.

Then its pretty obvious that we're not speaking the same language.

I believe the word. The word is from God. The word says we are saved by
Grace and that it is gift from God and not of yourself.
Do you believe that?
Did you create that belief or did God?
Are you saved?
Who saved you ?

 

[Brightfame52]

I joined this group so I would have someone to discuss Word with until I pass....Now I'm really wondering why I'm wasting my time here....So few want to believe the Word and it seems everybody wants to just argue and fight.

Then its pretty obvious that we're not speaking the same language.

I'm talking about sin not being imputed Rom 4:8!

 

[B-A-C]

God gives ALL men faith.

Rom 12:3; For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.

But even though God gives this to all men, not all men choose Him.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I'm talking about sin not being imputed Rom 4:8!

I understand that....Nobody was disagreeing with that.

 

[Born Again 2004]

God gives ALL men faith.

Rom 12:3; For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.

But even though God gives this to all men, not all men choose Him.

And, another way of stating it is not all men receive the faith to believe . I know that only God gives it, it is a gift to us, as per Ephesians 2: 8-9. Who has the power to understand what God is capable of other than being taught He is Omnipotent. What I can't say is how or when He exactly gives this gift. I am fairly sure it is during salvation but when that exactly happens is not clear to me...it probably occurs during some act of understanding and reconciliation of one's sin, and then the Ephesians verse occurs; maybe it occurs while reading or hearing the word like the Bible says, after all it is His word and it supposed to be living! REGARDLESS, I Think He gives us the faith and belief! I know, because it happened to me! For me, I was saved first, then I read the word because I had this thirst for knowledge and I received affirmation!

 

[Born Again 2004]

admon


Works salvation friend !

Were do you think "believing " comes from..you or God?