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Sins cannot be charged!

Its true that sin is not imputed to the saints...Still, if you do something wrong, lie, steal, anything, it only makes sense to go to the Father and make it right...Why? When you do something wrong, the enemy will put guilt on you and totally cramp your style. Unless of course you've decided that since sin is not imputed to you, that makes everything legal for you? The fact that your sin is covered does not change the fact that obedience etc are still our mandate.
Our relationship has been tenous at best but you KEEP bringing up statements, that to me, are not factual. Don't get me wrong, though it solely belongs to God to make the ultimate judgement, it does appear that you are a Christian but , at times you seem to be a bit misguided. In the above case, though, in my opinion, you have the imputation correct, where as, the Saints are the believers. But , as far as, doing wrong , Satan would encourage and applaud such bad behavior, that's what he does with all non-believers; all the time. As apposed, believers are given the Holy Spirit to chastise and correct bad behavior!
 
And your point ? Mine is clear.
There is a terribly large divide between OSAS and Calvinism. It involves free will choosing to repent. From that point, yes you are washed clean.

If you can lay your life down for Jesus as He did for you Matt 16:24, He will tolerate all your nonsense. You and I will have it as we will NEVER be as good as God Mark 10:18. Never.

A Christian is perfect TO God, NOT perfect like God.
 
Our relationship has been tenous at best but you KEEP bringing up statements, that to me, are not factual. Don't get me wrong, though it solely belongs to God to make the ultimate judgement, it does appear that you are a Christian but , at times you seem to be a bit misguided. In the above case, though, in my opinion, you have the imputation correct, where as, the Saints are the believers. But , as far as, doing wrong , Satan would encourage and applaud such bad behavior, that's what he does with all non-believers; all the time. As apposed, believers are given the Holy Spirit to chastise and correct bad behavior!
I did not say the enemy chastises or corrects...I said that the enemy will come in to put guilt on you, and to crush you....He will use your actions a nd your words against you. I agree with you that the satan encourages such behavior but that's for the above purpose. To destroy you. I think I'm speaking the common language...English...Right?
 
I did not say the enemy chastises or corrects...I said that the enemy will come in to put guilt on you, and to crush you....He will use your actions a nd your words against you. I agree with you that the satan encourages such behavior but that's for the above purpose. To destroy you. I think I'm speaking the common language...English...Right?
Alas, I come to the same impass, you are beyond reach . There is something there of value but darn if I can find it! It has been like "A Moth to a flame" for me, but I am really done, like scripture says (paraphrasing) " Dust of your feet and move on" .
 
Alas, I come to the same impass, you are beyond reach . There is something there of value but darn if I can find it! It has been like "A Moth to a flame" for me, but I am really done, like scripture says (paraphrasing) " Dust of your feet and move on" .


I agree...It does seem that you are umovable in your opinions. Best to not talk with each other. Sir You're right, even when you're wrong.

Hosea 4:6 CJB
6 My people are destroyed for want of knowledge.
Because you rejected knowledge,
I will also reject you as cohen for me.
Because you forgot the Torah of your God,
I will also forget your children.
 
I agree...It does seem that you are umovable in your opinions. Best to not talk with each other. Sir You're right, even when you're wrong.

Hosea 4:6 CJB
6 My people are destroyed for want of knowledge.
Because you rejected knowledge,
I will also reject you as cohen for me.
Because you forgot the Torah of your God,
I will also forget your children.

i'm going to quote the scriptures against you.

Quote:
Hosea 4:6 CJB
6 My people are destroyed for want of knowledge.
Because you rejected knowledge,
I will also reject you as cohen for me.
Because you forgot the Torah of your God,
I will also forget your children.
 
I'm going to share something with all of you, right here, right now, because you are killing people (Yes, MURDERING THEM) with the scriptures.


HUMAN BEINGS, DO NOT, I REPEAT, THEY DO NOT USE WEAPONS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.


I want you to read what I quoted to you, and ask yourself, if you are okay having such quotes thrown in your face all the time?

Be honest! :)
 
if you are okay having such quotes thrown in your face all the time?

I know this wasn't addressed to me. So what am I doing jumping in the middle of someone else's disagreement?

When my daughters were two, their favorite word was no. Don't play in the street, don't jump in the hot bath water, don't stick things in the electrical outlets.
You try to "baby-proof" your home as best you can, but you can't cover every single possibility, and even so. At some point they need to grow up and become responsible enough
to take care of themselves. I told my kids a lot of things they didn't to hear. They're adults now, and some of them still do things I don't approve of. The difference is... now
they are responsible for their own lives.

But they know there is a heaven, and they know there is a hell. They know eternity is a very very long time. They also know some of the choices they are making right now, will affect where they spend eternity.

So what do we do? Let the babies play in the street? Let toddlers stick metal objects in the electrical outlets? Let our daughters live with their boyfriends and not say anything about it.
Sometimes, having scripture thrown at someone.. is the best thing we can do for them.

Even if they don't want to hear it.
 
I know this wasn't addressed to me. So what am I doing jumping in the middle of someone else's disagreement?

When my daughters were two, their favorite word was no. Don't play in the street, don't jump in the hot bath water, don't stick things in the electrical outlets.
You try to "baby-proof" your home as best you can, but you can't cover every single possibility, and even so. At some point they need to grow up and become responsible enough
to take care of themselves. I told my kids a lot of things they didn't to hear. They're adults now, and some of them still do things I don't approve of. The difference is... now
they are responsible for their own lives.

But they know there is a heaven, and they know there is a hell. They know eternity is a very very long time. They also know some of the choices they are making right now, will affect where they spend eternity.

So what do we do? Let the babies play in the street? Let toddlers stick metal objects in the electrical outlets? Let our daughters live with their boyfriends and not say anything about it.
Sometimes, having scripture thrown at someone.. is the best thing we can do for them.

Even if they don't want to hear it.

Which portion of what I said was to not teach, and to not discipline?

Even adults, like me and you, need words of instruction spoken in our own language before the scriptures. Who better to communicate in our own language than those who speak it the same? Most people are not able to understand the scriptures (THANK YOU GOD, TRULY, AMEN), but everyone is able to differentiate between what is right and what is not right.

I can tell you right now that throwing scriptures in other's faces without providing the wisdom to receive it and integrate it properly is murder.
 
I did not say the enemy chastises or corrects...I said that the enemy will come in to put guilt on you, and to crush you....He will use your actions a nd your words against you. I agree with you that the satan encourages such behavior but that's for the above purpose. To destroy you. I think I'm speaking the common language...English...Right?
If you have no guilt , there is no need to confess. If you have no need to confess, you do not need "Jesus"! If you have no quilt, you do not need a "sacrificial lamb".

"But I tell you the truth, it is for your benefit that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And when He comes, He will CONVICT the world in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because they do not believe in Me;…"

New King James Version
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

A True "Son of GOD", "born of His Spirit" and wash in His Blood. "Born of God". who Citizenship is in "Heaven" and This earth is not his home but a Heavenly Creature he is, Have and decided that "Guilt" is a gift from GOD his Father., and he cherish it , as it was a Badge of Honor that "Glorifies" the "Lord GOD ALMIGHTY"!

"And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him,who are called according to His purpose. For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.…"

And Our Gifts was given unto us before the Foundations of the Cosmos. Before Heaven, before Angels, even before there was a "Time of Space' "He had ordain it to be" And nothing that exists, can change what is to be,,once He has declared it to be. For There is Only One GOD! and GOD is not His Name, It is HIS Being! There is none that can correct HIM, or that call HIS works wrong. He does so ever He wills! The "Tetragrammaton"
Romans 8:30
And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
Romans 11:29
For God's gifts and His call are irrevocable.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
God never changes his mind when he gives gifts or when he calls someone.

But there are many in this day and age, will tell you He has, pertaining to His "True Children"!

"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

"And HE Chastises all the sons He Love" And All of His Sons he loves are "Scourged" by Him. A fellow told me one day in "Hyperbole" form: When GOD start Scourging One of His sons; The devil moves out His way, and wipe the sweat off his brow, and says "I would had more mercy on him than that"!

You see when the devil is attacking you, you can run! But when GOD, is correcting you, you cannot hide or run away, the best thing you can do, put your arms around his legs and hug tight, and cry, and plead with him to have mercy on you, and tell Him how much you love Him. You will not me faking. He knows it too! Because there is no one can stay HIS Hand! Your Mama, can't help you. And it is going to hurt You, more than it is going to hurt HIM!:eyes:

New American Standard Bible
"He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently."
[Remember GOD is LOVE, And He will show you how much he Loves you too!]. If you are truly a "Child of GOD" you will see. you will know for yourself! You are going to know for sure "It's a GOD in Heaven" after He gets through tapping that hiney. You will have more than faith, you will also have assurance.

Now a true "son of GOD" knows I am not lying.

Now what does the Thread means "Sins are not charged" does that means no Discipline? Because GOD can discipline you so tough, you wish you was in hell, before you leave here.:eyes: You haven't left here yet. "Guilt" is a gift! when your nose is clean there is no guilt. You learn these things in Christ. Some people commits all kinds of sins and have no guilt. Some people cannot sleep good unless they have done something wrong.
Berean Study Bible
For they cannot sleep unless they do evil; they are deprived of slumber until they make someone fall.
 
I can tell you right now that throwing scriptures in other's faces without providing the wisdom to receive it and integrate it properly is murder.

I can mostly agree with this. (not so sure about the murder part).

1Cor 13:1; If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Cor 13:2; If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
 
i'm going to quote the scriptures against you.

Quote:
Hosea 4:6 CJB
6 My people are destroyed for want of knowledge.
Because you rejected knowledge,
I will also reject you as cohen for me.
Because you forgot the Torah of your God,
I will also forget your children.
Hmm How is that against me? I don't reject good teaching...Only the foolish stuff.
 
I'm going to share something with all of you, right here, right now, because you are killing people (Yes, MURDERING THEM) with the scriptures.


HUMAN BEINGS, DO NOT, I REPEAT, THEY DO NOT USE WEAPONS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER.


I want you to read what I quoted to you, and ask yourself, if you are okay having such quotes thrown in your face all the time?

Be honest! :)
When they come from a kid with little to no experience in life...Yeah They just bounce off. Get some cred first...
 
When they come from a kid with little to no experience in life...Yeah They just bounce off. Get some cred first...

Oh? I take to heart even the things that children speak, because I consider them, as well as you.

Since you did not understand why I quoted what you quoted and why I used what you did as a model to mold your understanding, I will clarify again for you so that you understand what it is that I was telling you.

What good does it do if you give someone harsh scriptures and not understanding, unless it is to satisfy your own want to hurt them for the things that you consider to be an offence to you? It does no good to make enemies with the people in the same ship that you sail in when you are for them and they are for you. I am telling you that you can grievously hurt others by quoting scriptures against them for petty reasons, like an argument. We all have points to make and points to share, everyone does.


Will I cast you down because your opinions might be unmovable? Of course not. But I could actually laugh at seeing you guys condemn each other over nothing at all, which is ridiculous. So I decided to share some understanding here, because I can see that it is needed.

I hope you understand now.
 
There is a terribly large divide between OSAS and Calvinism. It involves free will choosing to repent. From that point, yes you are washed clean.

If you can lay your life down for Jesus as He did for you Matt 16:24, He will tolerate all your nonsense. You and I will have it as we will NEVER be as good as God Mark 10:18. Never.

A Christian is perfect TO God, NOT perfect like God.
Sorry this is way out of bounds of what I posted.
 
Sorry, I really haven't: that was an interesting comment of yours; just thought you might want to explain it further? I have no ax to grind.
The way I see it, God saves us, He gives us belief; it is His gift to us. Once you are saved, He expects some good fruits from us. I am DEFINETLY, not saying what God does or doesn't do, but , it stands to my reasoning, that BELIEF could very well be the First Fruit of many to come!
 
That is error friend, believing is the fruit.
I'm really tired of all this arguing....Faith and belief are the same thing...Nothing works without Faith,,,,One does not get saved without believing, one does not get healed without believing, one does not prosper in any way without believing....And believing the WORD. As it is written. Yes we have the faith that Jesus gave us because our faith is not good enough in any way. Belief=Trust= Faith are all the same word. Hebrews 11
Hebrews 11 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)


11 Trusting[a] is being confident of what we hope for, convinced about things we do not see. 2 It was for this that Scripture attested the merit of the people of old.


3 By trusting, we understand that the universe was created through a spoken word of God, so that what is seen did not come into being out of existing phenomena.


4 By trusting, Hevel offered a greater sacrifice than Kayin; because of this, he was attested as righteous, with God giving him this testimony on the ground of his gifts. Through having trusted, he still continues to speak, even though he is dead.


5 By trusting, Hanokh was taken away from this life without seeing death — “He was not to be found, because God took him away” — for he has been attested as having been, prior to being taken away, well pleasing to God.[b] 6 And without trusting, it is impossible to be well pleasing to God, because whoever approaches him must trust that he does exist and that he becomes a Rewarder to those who seek him out.


7 By trusting, Noach, after receiving divine warning about things as yet unseen, was filled with holy fear and built an ark to save his household. Through this trusting, he put the world under condemnation and received the righteousness that comes from trusting.


8 By trusting, Avraham obeyed, after being called to go out[c] to a place which God would give him as a possession; indeed, he went out without knowing where he was going. 9 By trusting, he lived as a temporary resident in the Land of the promise, as if it were not his, staying in tents with Yitz’chak and Ya‘akov, who were to receive what was promised along with him. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with permanent foundations, of which the architect and builder is God.


11 By trusting, he received potency to father a child, even when he was past the age for it, as was Sarah herself; because he regarded the One who had made the promise as trustworthy. 12 Therefore this one man, who was virtually dead, fathered descendants

as numerous as the stars in the sky,
and as countless as the grains of the sand on the seashore.
[d]

13 All these people kept on trusting until they died, without receiving what had been promised. They had only seen it and welcomed it from a distance, while acknowledging that they were aliens and temporary residents on the earth.[e] 14 For people who speak this way make it clear that they are looking for a fatherland. 15 Now if they were to keep recalling the one they left, they would have an opportunity to return; 16 but as it is, they aspire to a better fatherland, a heavenly one. This is why God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.


17 By trusting, Avraham, when he was put to the test, offered up Yitz’chak as a sacrifice. Yes, he offered up his only son, he who had received the promises, 18 to whom it had been said, “What is called your ‘seed’ will be in Yitz’chak.”[f] 19 For he had concluded that God could even raise people from the dead! And, figuratively speaking, he did so receive him.


20 By trusting, Yitz’chak in his blessings over Ya‘akov and Esav made reference to events yet to come.


21 By trusting, Ya‘akov, when he was dying, blessed each of Yosef’s sons, leaning on his walking-stick as he bowed in prayer.[g]


22 By trusting, Yosef, near the end of his life, remembered about the Exodus of the people of Isra’el and gave instructions about what to do with his bones.


23 By trusting, the parents of Moshe hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw that he was a beautiful child,[h] and they weren’t afraid of the king’s decree.


24 By trusting, Moshe, after he had grown up,[i] refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose being mistreated along with God’s people rather than enjoying the passing pleasures of sin. 26 He had come to regard abuse suffered on behalf of the Messiah as greater riches than the treasures of Egypt, for he kept his eyes fixed on the reward.


27 By trusting, he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered as one who sees the unseen.


28 By trusting, he obeyed the requirements for the Pesach, including the smearing of the blood, so that the Destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Isra’el.


29 By trusting, they walked through the Red Sea as through dry land; when the Egyptians tried to do it, the sea swallowed them up.


30 By trusting, the walls of Yericho fell down — after the people had marched around them for seven days.


31 By trusting, Rachav the prostitute welcomed the spies and therefore did not die along with those who were disobedient.


32 What more should I say? There isn’t time to tell about Gid‘on, Barak, Shimshon, Yiftach, David, Sh’mu’el and the prophets; 33 who, through trusting, conquered kingdoms, worked righteousness, received what was promised, shut the mouths of lions,[j] 34 quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, had their weakness turned to strength, grew mighty in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead resurrected; other people were stretched on the rack and beaten to death, refusing to be ransomed, so that they would gain a better resurrection. 36 Others underwent the trials of being mocked and whipped, then chained and imprisoned. 37 They were stoned, sawed in two, murdered by the sword; they went about clothed in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted, mistreated, 38 wandering about in deserts and mountains, living in caves and holes in the ground! The world was not worthy of them!


39 All of these had their merit attested because of their trusting. Nevertheless, they did not receive what had been promised, 40 because God had planned something better that would involve us, so that only with us would they be brought to the goal.
 
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