Sins cannot be charged!

[Dave M]

You arent paying attention to what Im posting.

Actually I am and I am sad to say it does not line up with GOds word. People who are enslaved to sin have your outlook. Jesus can free us of our enslavement if you let him

 

[Brightfame52]

"To those who Christ died for"! He has the capacity to forgive every one's sin, but he only saves those who believe, which He died for.

Did you want to discuss non imputation ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Actually I am and I am sad to say it does not line up with GOds word. People who are enslaved to sin have your outlook. Jesus can free us of our enslavement if you let him

You are talking about something entirely different from me.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Are you a Christian, do you believe in the death,burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

No, he died for everyone's sin , so all could have the opportunity for salvation; but he forgives and saves only those who believe in him!

Sir...Where does the bible say God only forgives the saved?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Are you a Christian, do you believe in the death,burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Sir...Where does the bible say God only forgives the saved?

I didn't say that. I said , or meant to say, He forgives all, He only saves those who truly believe.
It is through out the Bible, it is the essence of the Gospel.
You can't find a verse that says what you want..I'll see anyway, In the mean time, search your heart, do you truly believe?

 

[Brightfame52]

Paul as an example is a pattern on how God doesn't impute the sin of unbelief on His elect, sheep ! When sharing his testimony he writes 1 Tim 1:12-13

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Pauls wickedness against the Body of Christ was spearheaded by the sin of unbelief ! But notice what he said in Vs 16

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy[Rom 11:32], that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

God instead of condemning Paul in unbelief, He had mercy on him and gave him grace to faith and love to Jesus Christ Vs 14
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Christ came into the world to save unbelieving sinners. If Christ didnt do that, no sinner can be saved since all by nature are imprisoned in unbelief Rom 11:32

To teach that sinners Christ died for, His Sheep, can be condemned and lost for unbelief is a flat out denial of the blessed truth Rom 4:7-8

7saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

And it also denies that Christ came into the world to save sinners ! 24

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I didn't say that. I said , or meant to say, He forgives all, He only saves those who truly believe.
It is through out the Bible, it is the essence of the Gospel.
You can't find a verse that says what you want..I'll see anyway, In the mean time, search your heart, do you truly believe?

I will accept your clarification...Don't be concerned about my salvation. Its secure.

 

[Born Again 2004]

You are so gracious to accept my clarification, but Iit only matters what Jesus thinks!

 

[Born Again 2004]

Paul as an example is a pattern on how God doesn't impute the sin of unbelief on His elect, sheep ! When sharing his testimony he writes 1 Tim 1:12-13

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

Pauls wickedness against the Body of Christ was spearheaded by the sin of unbelief ! But notice what he said in Vs 16

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy[Rom 11:32], that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

God instead of condemning Paul in unbelief, He had mercy on him and gave him grace to faith and love to Jesus Christ Vs 14
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Christ came into the world to save unbelieving sinners. If Christ didnt do that, no sinner can be saved since all by nature are imprisoned in unbelief Rom 11:32

To teach that sinners Christ died for, His Sheep, can be condemned and lost for unbelief is a flat out denial of the blessed truth Rom 4:7-8

7saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

And it also denies that Christ came into the world to save sinners ! 24

Paul ,before named Saul, was foremost a Pharisee and like any other Pharisee , denied Christ, that until God changed his heart. After that, though he did not deny Jesus's salvation, he considered himself the worst of Sinners...if he could be saved by grace, anyone could. I am reminded of John 3:17.

 

[PloughBoy]

Why a lot of christians seems to be trying to save, everyone who are christians and believe in Jesus Christ, instead of those who are in the highways and by ways, who claims they are not christians and dont believe, and some christians spend enegry and time on those who have been calling on Jesus for years and years and who are faithful church atttenders and they will not, spend
time on the street corners and malls, gas stations, shopping centers and grocery stores and college campuses and schools and employment grounds proclaiming "jesus Christ" is Lord of the Cosmos!
Strange painting walls that has been already painted, trying to save people that are already saved and calling upon the name of Jesus. Trying to make diaciples who are already disciples of Christ. If a person is trying to make a disciple of Christ who is already a disciple of Christ. That person might be in a state of deception by the "Deceiver"! Digging were no digging is necessary.

"And in this way I aspired to proclaim the gospel not where Christ was already named, that i might not build upon another man's foundation. Rather, as it is written, Those who were not told about Him will see, and those who have not heard will understand".

"So that we can proclaim the gospel in the regions beyond you. Then we will not be boasting in the work already done in another man's territory."


The Devil is a perfect "Deceiver" created to wage war against the "sons of GOD". For the people of this "World" has been blinded by "The GOD Almighty" that they cannot see the "Truth". But the "sons of GOD" has the Ability to see "The Truth". The people of this world have not the "ability" to see the "Truth". The ability must be given them to see the "Truth". the deception, and The Perfect "Adversary" so that they can grow unto the"Truth of The "God Almighty". And His purpose.

 

[Brightfame52]

COVENANT OF GRACE

Ordered in all things and sure; and that is all our salvation. Now, if it was ordered in all things, it most certainly includes in its nature and constitution, the non-imputation of sin to the elect, the full imputation of it to Christ, and the transference of ALL LIABILITY to suffer for it from them to HIM. And these things all being immanent acts of the Divine Will, they must have been as complete at the instant they passed the eternal mind as ever they were or could be afterward, the natural consequence thus being—sin was never imputed to God’s people, but was always imputed to Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Therefore, as per the elect, He was the only person liable to suffer for it. Since in all things the Covenant of Grace/Love was ordered and thus made sure, then the elect having eternal proprietary interest, are eternally secure from all liability to wrath, when it was ratified by the joint oath of the Holy Trinity before time, as much so, as they were when Christ, in pursuance of His federal engagement, SUFFERED FOR THEM IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME.
WE READ IN DIVINE RECORD:
1. “God was in Christ reconciling the world (elect world) unto himself, NOT imputing their trespasses unto them.” (2nd Corinthians 5:19)
2. “That Jesus WAS made THE surety of a better testament.” (Hebrews 7:22)
3. “That God HATH NOT beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel.” (Numbers 23:21)
4. “ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED”. (Romans 11:26)
BLESSED SURETY RECONCILING! 28
The tenses of Numbers 23:21 are noteworthy (as we believe in verbal, plenary inspiration), as shall not behold is not the same as “hath not beheld” and “neither hath he seen” is not the same as shall not see.
God’s past tenses swallow all “contingencies” giving no allowance for future changes.
How can it be, “not imputing THEIR trespasses unto THEM”—REAL sin with real possessive pronouns, “their/them”—how can this be?
In a word substitute, in a word SURETY.
By Bill Bryant Covenant of Grace

 

[Born Again 2004]

COVENANT OF GRACE

Ordered in all things and sure; and that is all our salvation. Now, if it was ordered in all things, it most certainly includes in its nature and constitution, the non-imputation of sin to the elect, the full imputation of it to Christ, and the transference of ALL LIABILITY to suffer for it from them to HIM. And these things all being immanent acts of the Divine Will, they must have been as complete at the instant they passed the eternal mind as ever they were or could be afterward, the natural consequence thus being—sin was never imputed to God’s people, but was always imputed to Christ, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Therefore, as per the elect, He was the only person liable to suffer for it. Since in all things the Covenant of Grace/Love was ordered and thus made sure, then the elect having eternal proprietary interest, are eternally secure from all liability to wrath, when it was ratified by the joint oath of the Holy Trinity before time, as much so, as they were when Christ, in pursuance of His federal engagement, SUFFERED FOR THEM IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME.
WE READ IN DIVINE RECORD:
1. “God was in Christ reconciling the world (elect world) unto himself, NOT imputing their trespasses unto them.” (2nd Corinthians 5:19)
2. “That Jesus WAS made THE surety of a better testament.” (Hebrews 7:22)
3. “That God HATH NOT beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel.” (Numbers 23:21)
4. “ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED”. (Romans 11:26)
BLESSED SURETY RECONCILING! 28
The tenses of Numbers 23:21 are noteworthy (as we believe in verbal, plenary inspiration), as shall not behold is not the same as “hath not beheld” and “neither hath he seen” is not the same as shall not see.
God’s past tenses swallow all “contingencies” giving no allowance for future changes.
How can it be, “not imputing THEIR trespasses unto THEM”—REAL sin with real possessive pronouns, “their/them”—how can this be?
In a word substitute, in a word SURETY.
By Bill Bryant Covenant of Grace

For all of those who believe!.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Its true that sin is not imputed to the saints...Still, if you do something wrong, lie, steal, anything, it only makes sense to go to the Father and make it right...Why? When you do something wrong, the enemy will put guilt on you and totally cramp your style. Unless of course you've decided that since sin is not imputed to you, that makes everything legal for you? The fact that your sin is covered does not change the fact that obedience etc are still our mandate.

 

[Brightfame52]

For all of those who believe!.

Believing is the fruit.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Believing is the fruit.

Belief is the root, not the fruit

 

[Born Again 2004]

Believing is the fruit.

Possibly and interesting , can you explain that further?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Interesting!

 

[PloughBoy]

Its true that sin is not imputed to the saints...Still, if you do something wrong, lie, steal, anything, it only makes sense to go to the Father and make it right...Why? When you do something wrong, the enemy will put guilt on you and totally cramp your style. Unless of course you've decided that since sin is not imputed to you, that makes everything legal for you? The fact that your sin is covered does not change the fact that obedience etc are still our mandate.

You can decide what you want to, as a "true believer in Christ", if you go ahead and Sin on purpose, the "Law" of God will eat you up, your own conscious. Because the devil is going tell you "the truth", night and day! He is going to but salt in that wound. GOD has warn you And a couple of "abracadabras" and a few "hail Mary's" is not going give you peace. "When night come you going to wish it was Day, and Day come you are going to wish it was night"!

That devil, is going to grab you by your "Neck" and drag you down that alley backwards, until he gets tired, and the frightening thing about it. it might be in a day, when you thought you got away, because GOD didn't chastise you right away, now it is 30 years later, peace and safety, in the wee hours of the night. "MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN" when the "Holy Spirit" bring to your remembrance", what you did. David said: "You have Chasten me very Hard, but YOU have not given me over to death". DAMNATION and a whipping are two different things. you can shake it off when you are young, But in a old age, you cannot shake it off that easy. Just because you are old, does not mean GOD will be light on the whip. "He has no respect of person" and "There is neither male or Female" in Christ Jesus! Now you will find out what the word of GOD Meant: "He scourges every son whom he receives"! you thought you knew what that meant! Now 40 years later, after you have known Christ, Somehow you have remembered, every sin you have committed in word and deed, since you was 2 years old, Not One stone unturned. Sins of commission and omissions! and You are not going to need a "priest" a pastor, or a book to explain to you what is happening.

I do not care if you are on your dying bed, "Child of GOD" it might seems the hour before your death it may seem as if it has been a 100 years. But when you leave from Here, you are going to be "Sanctified" and ready! You do not get by with nothing! Do not let your sins add up! It is a reason "child of GOD" God has warn you! Condemnation and Scourging are two different things.

"He Makes me Lie down in Green Pastures", "Thy ROD and Thy STAFF" comforts me."

The world do not understand or favors that kind of Language.

"Sins cannot be charged" but to a Child of GOD, SINS will get you "Scourgings"! Even if GOD waits until your last dying hours! You are going to be as pure GOLD when you leave from here.

Do not put your "Lord God" to the test.

Ecclesiastes 8:11
"When the sentence for a crime is not speedily executed, the hearts of men become fully set on doing evil."

NASB 1977
“These things you have done, and I kept silence; You thought that I was just like you; I will reprove you, and state the case in order before your eyes.
King James Version
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Do not put Him to the test.