Does God really love us?

[DieAmartyr]

And the Lord repented that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart.
Genesis 6:6

So God regretted creating man.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

He loved the World? That is not the same as mankind.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:9

That pretty much counts for 80% of the adult population.

 

[B-A-C]

He loved the World? That is not the same as mankind.

If it's not mankind, then who else can "believeth in Him" and "have everlasting life"?

If there is an overwhelming theme in the Bible, it's that have to choose sin or God, you can't have both. Still it seems it will be only a few.

Matt 7:12; "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

But how many is a few? If the population of the earth is 8 billion, a few could still be 1 or 2 billion?

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."

It seems to be very important to a lot of churches that God loves us, and so He may. But at the end of the day the love of God is not the salvation of God.
God loves even the un-saved.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

 

[Sue D.]

John 3:16 God shows His love to us by sending His Son, Jesus Christ to this earth to show us to His Father // died on the cross , was buried and rose again bodily the 3rd day. If that isn't love, I don't know what it is. He's provided the way for us to come into fellowship with Him after we messed up in the garden of Eden. And He provided Noah with instructions on how to build the ark.

 

[PloughBoy]

If it's not mankind, then who else can "believeth in Him" and "have everlasting life"?

If there is an overwhelming theme in the Bible, it's that have to choose sin or God, you can't have both. Still it seems it will be only a few.

Matt 7:12; "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

But how many is a few? If the population of the earth is 8 billion, a few could still be 1 or 2 billion?

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."

It seems to be very important to a lot of churches that God loves us, and so He may. But at the end of the day the love of God is not the salvation of God.
God loves even the un-saved.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"But how many is a few? If the population of the earth is 8 billion, a few could still be 1 or 2 billion?"

During "Noah's day He only Saved 8 is that consider "Few:! And Lot 4-1= 3 from the regions of Sodom.

 

[PloughBoy]

And the Lord repented that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart.
Genesis 6:6

So God regretted creating man.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

He loved the World? That is not the same as mankind.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1 Corinthians 6:9

That pretty much counts for 80% of the adult population.

No, God knew what He was doing, the words are from the writer and anthropopatheia.

 

[DieAmartyr]

No, God knew what He was doing, the words are from the writer and anthropopatheia.

anthropopatheia? That's going to be my word for the day! What is it?

His actions show that He tried to erase and start over though

 

[DieAmartyr]

If it's not mankind, then who else can "believeth in Him" and "have everlasting life"?

If there is an overwhelming theme in the Bible, it's that have to choose sin or God, you can't have both. Still it seems it will be only a few.

Matt 7:12; "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Matt 7:13; "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Matt 7:14; "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Luke 13:23; And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Luke 13:25; "Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, 'Lord, open up to us!' then He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know where you are from.'
Luke 13:26; "Then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets';
Luke 13:27; and He will say, 'I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.'
Luke 13:28; "In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

But how many is a few? If the population of the earth is 8 billion, a few could still be 1 or 2 billion?

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."

It seems to be very important to a lot of churches that God loves us, and so He may. But at the end of the day the love of God is not the salvation of God.
God loves even the un-saved.

Rom 5:8; But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

There are people within the last year being taken as visitors to hell and being given a message to bring back. The message is basically " Tell my people that there is no more time. Tell them hell is real and they must repent in order to accept my gift I gave them. Mankind is falling here at an alarming rate because no one is repenting! For every 30 going above 30,000 are falling below and I came to earth to prevent this. Tell them to repent. My return is imminent."

 

[Sue D.]

The question of this thread is 'does God really love us' -- of Course He loves us. There are those who don't believe that He even exists. Which is nonsense. Of course He does. And to suggest that God doesn't love us is also nonsense.

There are NDE /near death experiences / yes. There is definitely life after death. And God would that All would come to know Him as personal Savior Turn from our wicked ways and accept His only Way to be with Him for eternity, but He also knows that lots of people Won't.

But God has Also given all of us / born again believers / the job of going to every place through-out this world and preach the Gospel of salvation to all who will listen. Starting at home and expanding from there.

Hell -- lake of fire and brimstone is only meant to satan/ the beast and the false prophet. Everyone else Can be saved from that. But that won't be accomplished through our own good words -- the blood of Jesus Christ is sufficient. That is where we place our faith.

People will die regardless of their repenting or not. It's a matter of where they end up because they Don't repent.

@DieAmartyr -- are you suggesting that You came to earth to prevent that or that Jesus Christ came to earth to prevent it. And, yes, the return of Jesus Christ to get His Church Will be in God's timing -- which will probably be soon.

 

[PloughBoy]

anthropopatheia? That's going to be my word for the day! What is it?

His actions show that He tried to erase and start over though

DieAmartyr, your quote: "His actions show that He tried to erase and start over though" is a "miscue" and is understandable. Some portions of scripture, like I have often said, with the utmost of my ability, must be interpret within The Whole Context of The Biblical text in "Light of Holy Scripture" that includes the "writer of That particular "Manuscript" and time period of that writing, especially when it falls into the "Category" of what we call "a Problem Text" and many others considers it a "paradox". "God has never made a mistake, and everything that has happen has been ordain by GOD. God never tries to do anything. What He started in "Genesis ends in Revelation" Jesus is not a after thought. Redemption is not fixing something that was broken. Redemption Creates something new, Genesis is some of the "Raw" materials that makes something that is brand new, The designer is GOD. and it is impossible for us to understand "GOD" but He left information about HIS character what HE wants us to know about HIM. Then at The Ceremonial Event He will reveal, what is all about.

 

[PloughBoy]

God's Benevolent Love by R.C. Sproul

As a righteous and just judge who does not delight in the death of the wicked, God always decrees and does what is right. His judgments are permanently based upon His inherent good will toward His people. In this lesson, Dr. Sproul considers how God's love is inseparably connected to His...

www.ligonier.org

 

[DieAmartyr]

God's Benevolent Love by R.C. Sproul

As a righteous and just judge who does not delight in the death of the wicked, God always decrees and does what is right. His judgments are permanently based upon His inherent good will toward His people. In this lesson, Dr. Sproul considers how God's love is inseparably connected to His...

www.ligonier.org

I just wonder how someone can take a person who was a born sinner but basically a good person by human standards and make them burn for eternity because of their ignorance. It seems harsh.

 

[DieAmartyr]

DieAmartyr, your quote: "His actions show that He tried to erase and start over though" is a "miscue" and is understandable. Some portions of scripture, like I have often said, with the utmost of my ability, must be interpret within The Whole Context of The Biblical text in "Light of Holy Scripture" that includes the "writer of That particular "Manuscript" and time period of that writing, especially when it falls into the "Category" of what we call "a Problem Text" and many others considers it a "paradox". "God has never made a mistake, and everything that has happen has been ordain by GOD. God never tries to do anything. What He started in "Genesis ends in Revelation" Jesus is not a after thought. Redemption is not fixing something that was broken. Redemption Creates something new, Genesis is some of the "Raw" materials that makes something that is brand new, The designer is GOD. and it is impossible for us to understand "GOD" but He left information about HIS character what HE wants us to know about HIM. Then at The Ceremonial Event He will reveal, what is all about.

Ok so basically the Bible needs to be read with a more open mind with room for error because the people who translated it into English may not have chosen the right English words at the time? I can see where time could play a factor because after 400 years, ( king James version 1611) words have gained different meaning and interpretation could be off.

Also I am assuming that English language or any other language is highly insufficient when describing the things of God because of the absolute indescribable majesty of His glory and the crisp purity of His Holiness. Would this be accurate?

 

[B-A-C]

Questions like this reveal a wrong focus. Does God love "US". Does God love "ME".
It's all about me. It's all about what God does or doesn't do for me.
Which one of you is God?

The real question here should be, do we love God?
Almost everyone will say "of course I do". But do they really?

John 14:15; “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

God doesn't send anyone to hell, people choose to go to hell.
Here's eternal life, repent, believe upon Jesus and obey me.
Here's eternal damnation, refuse and choose sin.

The world... "fine.. I choose sin".

 

[DieAmartyr]

The question of this thread is 'does God really love us' -- of Course He loves us. There are those who don't believe that He even exists. Which is nonsense. Of course He does. And to suggest that God doesn't love us is also nonsense.

There are NDE /near death experiences / yes. There is definitely life after death. And God would that All would come to know Him as personal Savior Turn from our wicked ways and accept His only Way to be with Him for eternity, but He also knows that lots of people Won't.

But God has Also given all of us / born again believers / the job of going to every place through-out this world and preach the Gospel of salvation to all who will listen. Starting at home and expanding from there.

Hell -- lake of fire and brimstone is only meant to satan/ the beast and the false prophet. Everyone else Can be saved from that. But that won't be accomplished through our own good words -- the blood of Jesus Christ is sufficient. That is where we place our faith.

People will die regardless of their repenting or not. It's a matter of where they end up because they Don't repent.

@DieAmartyr -- are you suggesting that You came to earth to prevent that or that Jesus Christ came to earth to prevent it. And, yes, the return of Jesus Christ to get His Church Will be in God's timing -- which will probably be soon.

It is just a question with the interest of what the reaction would be. I am not implying that He doesn't, but sometimes I wonder since so few find their way to heaven. One slip up and we are burning in hell.

 

[DieAmartyr]

Questions like this reveal a wrong focus. Does God love "US". Does God love "ME".
It's all about me. It's all about what God does or doesn't do for me.
Which one of you is God?

The real question here should be, do we love God?
Almost everyone will say "of course I do". But do they really?

John 14:15; “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

God doesn't send anyone to hell, people choose to go to hell.
Here's eternal life, repent, believe upon Jesus and obey me.
Here's eternal damnation, refuse and choose sin.

The world... "fine.. I choose sin".

The world- destined to fail. Born in sin. 85% hellbound.
How many people do you think are in hell not realizing the impact that their lives had on their afterlife? How many people do you think are there saying " This is great! This is exactly where I chose to go! I love it here!"?? No one chooses to go to hell. They cannot leave, if they could they would. Children are in hell for me not being taught the Word of God. From the age of accountability on- 6 and up, if they can name all the Superheros but cannot name one Bible scripture they are going to hell. Do you think they chose that?

And no it isn't all about me. It was a question to see what people would say. Why do people always look at a question thinking that it's bias in some way and judging the asker? I am not implying that He doesn't. There is no implications. That is why it is a question.

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok so basically the Bible needs to be read with a more open mind with room for error because the people who translated it into English may not have chosen the right English words at the time? I can see where time could play a factor because after 400 years, ( king James version 1611) words have gained different meaning and interpretation could be off.

Also I am assuming that English language or any other language is highly insufficient when describing the things of God because of the absolute indescribable majesty of His glory and the crisp purity of His Holiness. Would this be accurate?

Now a days, most dictionaries and online definitions are insufficient and do not express the "etymology" of words. both common and biblical words.

 

[DieAmartyr]

Now a days, most dictionaries and online definitions are insufficient and do not express the "etymology" of words. both common and biblical words.

Understandable.

 

[PloughBoy]

I just wonder how someone can take a person who was a born sinner but basically a good person by human standards and make them burn for eternity because of their ignorance. It seems harsh.

This is going to be hard for you! But i am going to skip the in betweens. The Fall in the Garden of Eden, was a great Fall, "SIN" and man became so evil and all of his off springs not by doing but by being, and they became a enemy of GOD. And GOD put "RESTRAiNTS" on mankind. So that is why, The SEED, meaning Jesus would come to make us a "NEW CREATURE" IF you have become a "BORN From Above" Born of GOD" "Born of His Spririt" you are not the Same CREATURE that came out of you mothers womb. You are a different creature than the other people, your household your mother and father, if They Have not been "Born from above" They are not good, they have restraints on them, all of us do, Since many "True children of GOD do not Believe what GOD has Told them, they cannot see, until He takes the Restraints off! "That is what Makes "GREAT TRIBULATION" that the world has never seen or after will never be. He will take the restraints off, all mankind, That is why the Rapture takes place to remove us.
And they will find Out what The Institutionalize church really is. and The difference between the wheat and tares. When Rapture comes. For most children of God still do not Believe in GODs word, they are like "Thomas"they have to see. That is why Jesus is in Heaven protecting us From GOD the Father. For the Bible has told us this plainly but we are still evil to a point, because of The Flesh that is covering us, for it is still a curse, and evil, even the brains in our head, and the thoughts that TRAVEL THROUGH IT. We are commanded and with the Help of The "Holy Spirit" to bring every thought captive.

"For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. 5We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ," [for our own benefits and growth at this time]

Believe me You are not the same "BEING" Living in your body. The being who was born in your mother body is "DEAD"! You are NOT the same Creature! YOU, don't even LOOK like Them in your being. "Deceive" does not justify what is going on, who you think we were! You are more safer running before a Hungry Lion on a dark Night in The Congo! "that creature that comes out of woman's womb, is so dangerous it will "annihilate a whole human race" and Not only destroy a city, but a whole "Continent" by push of a button or a drop of a Lab tube in the name of progress.

These things are done by the "Apex Super Predator" called The "Human Sapiens"" not only does he kills, Not only does He commits "genocides" to the animal kingdoms, but he does it , to his own "species"! his very own "genetic continuum"! No this is not the same creature Adam and Eve was when they 1st was created in the "Garden of Eden", The Day When they ate from that Tree, THEY Change and It was more than a "MIND CHANGE" ! Who they really was in the beginning DIED! They became walking death! and the whole world change too! They change so bad, they killed the very GOD who created them!
WAKE UP! And take another look at that creature holding your hand, and the mirror in the bathroom! and take a real Look! Things are not what they appears. Take a real look in that mirror! and ask God to open your eyes to see the "TRUTH"! Then we can have a real Godly conversation!

Shalom

 

[PloughBoy]

I just wonder how someone can take a person who was a born sinner but basically a good person by human standards and make them burn for eternity because of their ignorance. It seems harsh.

 

[DieAmartyr]

This is going to be hard for you! But i am going to skip the in betweens. The Fall in the Garden of Eden, was a great Fall, "SIN" and man became so evil and all of his off springs not by doing but by being, and they became a enemy of GOD. And GOD put "RESTRAiNTS" on mankind. So that is why, The SEED, meaning Jesus would come to make us a "NEW CREATURE" IF you have become a "BORN From Above" Born of GOD" "Born of His Spririt" you are not the Same CREATURE that came out of you mothers womb. You are a different creature than the other people, your household your mother and father, if They Have not been "Born from above" They are not good, they have restraints on them, all of us do, Since many "True children of GOD do not Believe what GOD has Told them, they cannot see, until He takes the Restraints off! "That is what Makes "GREAT TRIBULATION" that the world has never seen or after will never be. He will take the restraints off, all mankind, That is why the Rapture takes place to remove us.
And they will find Out what The Institutionalize church really is. and The difference between the wheat and tares. When Rapture comes. For most children of God still do not Believe in GODs word, they are like "Thomas"they have to see. That is why Jesus is in Heaven protecting us From GOD the Father. For the Bible has told us this plainly but we are still evil to a point, because of The Flesh that is covering us, for it is still a curse, and evil, even the brains in our head, and the thoughts that TRAVEL THROUGH IT. We are commanded and with the Help of The "Holy Spirit" to bring every thought captive.

"For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. 5We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ," [for our own benefits and growth at this time]

Believe me You are not the same "BEING" Living in your body. The being who was born in your mother body is "DEAD"! You are NOT the same Creature! YOU, don't even LOOK like Them in your being. "Deceive" does not justify what is going on, who you think we were! You are more safer running before a Hungry Lion on a dark Night in The Congo! "that creature that comes out of woman's womb, is so dangerous it will "annihilate a whole human race" and Not only destroy a city, but a whole "Continent" by push of a button or a drop of a Lab tube in the name of progress.

These things are done by the "Apex Super Predator" called The "Human Sapiens"" not only does he kills, Not only does He commits "genocides" to the animal kingdoms, but he does it , to his own "species"! his very own "genetic continuum"! No this is not the same creature Adam and Eve was when they 1st was created in the "Garden of Eden", The Day When they ate from that Tree, THEY Change and It was more than a "MIND CHANGE" ! Who they really was in the beginning DIED! They became walking death! and the whole world change too! They change so bad, they killed the very GOD who created them!
WAKE UP! And take another look at that creature holding your hand, and the mirror in the bathroom! and take a real Look! Things are not what they appears. Take a real look in that mirror! and ask God to open your eyes to see the "TRUTH"! Then we can have a real Godly conversation!

Shalom

I HAVE asked Him but I have been baptized so I will not see who I was before. This was not hard for me to read! I know this! What I had asked you before was to please tell me how to FAST. I was not raised knowing about fasting, and only recently have I learned of its spiritual importance and I am being called to do it but I do not know how and when I look online all I find is weight loss fasts and though I expect to lose weight if I fast, this is not my goal for doing it nor my motivation.