Figure of speech/colloquialism?
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OK, so there are some who believe Jesus was crucified on Friday. I don't know that it's a large majority.
But even so... how much difference does it make? There are plenty of other doctrines that would seem to matter much more than this one.
I personally don't think that whether you believe Jesus was crucified on a certain day of the week, is going to keep you from being saved.
However if you don't believe He was resurrected, that might be another story.
But even so... how much difference does it make? There are plenty of other doctrines that would seem to matter much more than this one.
I personally don't think that whether you believe Jesus was crucified on a certain day of the week, is going to keep you from being saved.
However if you don't believe He was resurrected, that might be another story.
I was just looking that up again. Days of the week are talked about -- Wedn, Thurs, Friday, and 1st day of the week -- being Sunday is the Only mention of a specified # of a day. So you're dwelling / fixated on a 6th day of the week. So - what Day of the week are you advocating for.
To be pursuing this discussion Could be casting doubt on other events in the New Testament. Jesus feeding the 5,000 people with Only two fishes and 5 loaves of bread. How could That be possible?! Or turning the water into wine. How was That possible?! These questions are retorical in nature. We are told in God's Word that they Did take place. I certainly would Not want to be responsible for turning anyone Away from trusting in the authority of God's Word.
God's Word gives mankind salvation -- it's because Of the bodily resurrection of Jesus that we Do have salvation. It proves that He was , indeed, the Son of God.
And 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 are 'to be saved' a person will believe these things. That He , Jesus Christ Did die on the cross, that He was buried and that He Did rise again on that 3rd day, according to Scripture. So -- do You believe that Jesus is the Son of God? and , yes, I've asked you that previously.
And, yes, This is an important doctrine -- as is the fact that Mary, a young lady, was a virgin, and the Holy Spirit came upon her and she became pregnant. Because That enabled Jesus to be 100 % human as well as 100% deity. And That enabled Him to be the only person/ entity capable of taking our sins upon Himself, dying with them -- in our place-- and rising from the dead bodily -- on that 3rd day after His burial.
And , in Romans 10 -- a person believes in the Heart and confesses with their mouth, the Lord Jesus. And Then the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the person and doesn't leave until they are safe with Jesus Christ in person.
To be pursuing this discussion Could be casting doubt on other events in the New Testament. Jesus feeding the 5,000 people with Only two fishes and 5 loaves of bread. How could That be possible?! Or turning the water into wine. How was That possible?! These questions are retorical in nature. We are told in God's Word that they Did take place. I certainly would Not want to be responsible for turning anyone Away from trusting in the authority of God's Word.
God's Word gives mankind salvation -- it's because Of the bodily resurrection of Jesus that we Do have salvation. It proves that He was , indeed, the Son of God.
And 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 are 'to be saved' a person will believe these things. That He , Jesus Christ Did die on the cross, that He was buried and that He Did rise again on that 3rd day, according to Scripture. So -- do You believe that Jesus is the Son of God? and , yes, I've asked you that previously.
And, yes, This is an important doctrine -- as is the fact that Mary, a young lady, was a virgin, and the Holy Spirit came upon her and she became pregnant. Because That enabled Jesus to be 100 % human as well as 100% deity. And That enabled Him to be the only person/ entity capable of taking our sins upon Himself, dying with them -- in our place-- and rising from the dead bodily -- on that 3rd day after His burial.
And , in Romans 10 -- a person believes in the Heart and confesses with their mouth, the Lord Jesus. And Then the Holy Spirit comes to indwell the person and doesn't leave until they are safe with Jesus Christ in person.
Sue D.,
re: "I was just looking that up again. Days of the week are talked about -- Wedn, Thurs, Friday, and 1st day of the week..."
And this topic is directed to those who believe in a Friday crucifixion.
re: "...what Day of the week are you advocating for."
For the purpose of this topic I'm not advocating for any day of the week. The only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
re: "I was just looking that up again. Days of the week are talked about -- Wedn, Thurs, Friday, and 1st day of the week..."
And this topic is directed to those who believe in a Friday crucifixion.
re: "...what Day of the week are you advocating for."
For the purpose of this topic I'm not advocating for any day of the week. The only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
In reality -- you don't seem To have a 'purpose of this topic' -- maybe you're attempting to sound 'intellectual' or something. It's too important of a topic for 'intellectualization' on anyone's part. It's God's Word we're talking about. We either accept God's Word as truth or we don't. The FACT is that Jesus Christ Is the Son of God and that He died on the cross -- in our place-- for our sins -- and rose again on the 3rd day. His rising bodily from the heart of the earth proves that He is really the Son of God rather than just another religious teacher of that time in history.
Sue D.,
re: "In reality -- you don't seem To have a 'purpose of this topic'..."
My purpose for this topic is merely to sate my curiosity with regard to the commonality in the first century or before of forecasting or saying that a day time or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
re: "...maybe you're attempting to sound 'intellectual' or something."
I'm simply asking a question. Nothing "intellectual or something" about it.
re: ". It's God's Word we're talking about. We either accept God's Word as truth or we don't."
And that's what this topic is about, the Word or for that matter any writing from the first century or before, which shows that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
re: "The FACT is that Jesus Christ Is the Son of God and that He died on the cross -- in our place-- for our sins -- and rose again on the 3rd day. His rising bodily from the heart of the earth proves that He is really the Son of God..."
That's an issue for a different topic. This topic has absolutely nothing to do with that.
re: "In reality -- you don't seem To have a 'purpose of this topic'..."
My purpose for this topic is merely to sate my curiosity with regard to the commonality in the first century or before of forecasting or saying that a day time or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
re: "...maybe you're attempting to sound 'intellectual' or something."
I'm simply asking a question. Nothing "intellectual or something" about it.
re: ". It's God's Word we're talking about. We either accept God's Word as truth or we don't."
And that's what this topic is about, the Word or for that matter any writing from the first century or before, which shows that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
re: "The FACT is that Jesus Christ Is the Son of God and that He died on the cross -- in our place-- for our sins -- and rose again on the 3rd day. His rising bodily from the heart of the earth proves that He is really the Son of God..."
That's an issue for a different topic. This topic has absolutely nothing to do with that.
Sue D.,
re: "It has Everything to do with that."
How does "The FACT is that Jesus Christ Is the Son of God and that He died on the cross -- in our place-- for our sins -- and rose again on the 3rd day. His rising bodily from the heart of the earth proves that He is really the Son of God..." have everything to do with showing examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur?
re: "It has Everything to do with that."
How does "The FACT is that Jesus Christ Is the Son of God and that He died on the cross -- in our place-- for our sins -- and rose again on the 3rd day. His rising bodily from the heart of the earth proves that He is really the Son of God..." have everything to do with showing examples where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur?
Sue D.,
re: "So -- Why couldn't / wouldn't Part of a day or Part of a night time be involved with Jesus Christ being in the heart of the earth for those three days and three nights. ?! "
Because no part of a third night in the tomb could have occurred with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection.
re: "So -- Why couldn't / wouldn't Part of a day or Part of a night time be involved with Jesus Christ being in the heart of the earth for those three days and three nights. ?! "
Because no part of a third night in the tomb could have occurred with a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection.
Sue D.,
re: "Well -- I think we've covered the death, burial and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ sufficiently. He rose again early the day After the Sabbath on the 1st day of the week. That needs to be sufficient."
For a different topic perhaps, but not for this one.
However, there may be someone new visiting this topic who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech and who has examples to support the idea of commonality.
re: "Well -- I think we've covered the death, burial and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ sufficiently. He rose again early the day After the Sabbath on the 1st day of the week. That needs to be sufficient."
For a different topic perhaps, but not for this one.
However, there may be someone new visiting this topic who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech and who has examples to support the idea of commonality.
OK, Thanks.
Dave L
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1. Jesus ate the Passover with His disciples on the evening of the fourteenth by Moses' law (Ex 12:6-8; Matt 26:17-20; Mark 14:12-17; Luke 22:7-15).
2. The crucifixion began at 9:00 AM, and Jesus died after the darkness ended at 3:00 PM (Matthew 27:45-50; Mark 15:25,33-37; Luke 23:44-49).
3. Jesus was buried hurriedly as the preparation day ended and the high Sabbath day was about to begin (Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14,31,42).
4. The women who followed Jesus rested the high Sabbath day of the Passover before buying and preparing their spices (Mark 16:1 cp Exodus 12:16).
5. The women bought their spices and prepared them on the regular workday between the two Sabbaths days this week (Mark 16:1 cp Luke 23:55-56).
6. The women rested during the weekly Sabbath day after buying and preparing their spices the previous workday (Luke 23:55-56 cp Exodus 20:10).
7. Jesus rose from the dead as the weekly Sabbath ended – three days and three nights after burial – as prophesied (Matthew 12:39-40; Mark 8:31).
8. While it was still dark, the morning of the first day of the week, the women found the tomb already empty (Matt 28:1-6; Luke 24:1-3; John 20:1).
9. The gospel record of Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection prove His identifying sign of three days and three nights (Matthew 12:39-40).
10. Anyone holding to a Friday crucifixion and/or a Sunday morning resurrection is denying the very sign Jesus gave to prove He was the Son of God.
From: Easter, Three Days and Three Nights Johnathan Crosby 3 Days & 3 Nights
I was just reading the article "3 days and 3 nights" -- one of the points was about Jesus saying that there are 12 hrs in a day. Well -- we already know that there are 24 hrs in every day. Now depending on where a person lives in the world -- makes a difference on how long the sun is shining and how long the nights are. The verse used is John 11: 9-10 "Jesus answered, 'Are there not 12 hrs in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. But if one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him." It sounds like that in That part of the world, there were / are 12 hrs of daylight and the other 12 hrs. are dusk or dark. And Jesus was Also saying that He is the light of the world. If a person is not 'in Jesus' as the light -- then they are in spiritual darkness.
I would guess that Dave L is referring to the 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth.