Genesis 1&2 The Story of the Beginning

[Seve]

Dear Fellow Christians,

In order to understand Adam's World - garden of Eden - during the Great Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the waters below and above it into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 - while our own present world is surrounded by Star Dust. Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like our present Earth, since it was " CLEAN DISSOLVED" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19

This Earth, the Earth of Adam (garden of Eden) was considered Flat by Ancient Hebrew Perspective. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Gen 7:20 .... while our earth’ highest elevation is some 29k ft. above sea level in comparison. Their entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while our present World has Thousands of Rivers all over the face of the earth, indicating it was much much smaller than our Earth.

Here are some model images of Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Flat Earth just to give you an idea - simile - for reference only - Adam's firmament of heaven - surrounded by waters below and above it .......Ancient Hebrew Cosmology

Adam’s firmament of heaven was placed in the vicinity beneath the body of waters above and below it. It was in a completely enclosed Biosphere - protecting Adam's world from waters below and above it - like an incubator of Humanity. It was placed in Lake Van, Turkey during the making of our worlds (multiverse).

During the great flood, Noah’ Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft.). The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained beneath the surface of water in Lake Van, Turkey and end up floating the largest Lake in the area. It's in the mountains of Ararat and is some 75 miles wide.

The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank, it released the Ark into our world - thus, Adam’s world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood.

”We know this because In the New Testament, we were told that their heaven and earth.... “whereby that the world THEN WAS standing out of the water and in the water being overflowed with water, perished” (Greek- totally destroyed) 2Pet 3:5-6

If it sounds like Atlantis, so be it.

This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above their highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) Gen 7:20 ...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th Day after the flood began - Gen 8:4.

God Bless

 

[Seve]

Gen 1:6-8 shows the 1st heaven (Adam' World) was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 2:4 shows other heavenS (plural) being made on the 3rd Day. That's a Multiverse, containing at least 2 or more separate heavens / universes.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the Worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven (garden of Eden) was in the midst of waters below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood,
The second Heaven is our present world - surrounded by star dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, which will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

The Physical Making of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd HeavenS - Multiverse - based on the Scripture:

The 1st firmament of heaven Made (Gen 1:6-8) was like a solid glass container (simile) in which God would build above the firmament. The firmament protected Adam's Earth from the water which completely surrounded this firmament. The verses below reveal this since God places water inside the firmament of heaven above....

(Gen 1:6-8 KJV)And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
v7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
v8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

He then built solid ground (similar to a man made island) on top of the water under the heaven. Can you visualize our Lord God building a solid ground into the middle of water? IF you can, then, that? more or less how God divided the waters from the waters.

v9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Then, on the 3rd Day went up the mist:

(Gen 2:6 KJV) But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

..... and the Earth atmosphere was formed.

Now, that we understand that Adam's firmament/heaven which was made the 2nd Day, and the mist that went up from Earth on the 3rd Day Gen 1:8 forming the Earth's Atmosphere..... the information below added to the account revealed in this verse:

(Gen 2:4 KJV) These are the generations of the heavenS (plural) and of the earth when they were created,in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

Notice: As you already know, the 1st Firmament called Heaven, was made on the 2nd Day - Gen 1:6-8.

However, the cited verse above (Gen.2:4) is speaking of other heavenS (plural) Made in the SAME DAY as Adam's Earth. Gen 1:9. The ONLY Day the Earth and the other Heavens could have been made was the 3rd Day.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (Plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

Add the first heaven made on 2nd Day Gen 1:8 plus the other heavenS Gen 2:4 which were made on the 3rd Day, including the one that is being prepared for us right now (Jhn 14:2 KJV) when this world is burned . Then, what we have is a multiverse . (Rev 21:1 KJV)

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

God Bless

 

[Sue D.]

@Seve -- you're right -- all of this Is Your theory -- you Do include Scripture.

Your term 'multiverse' was used first by William James back in 1895 and is used in a fiction and current physics context by Michael Moorcock - 1963 SF Adventures novella "The Sundered Worlds.

It's called the Multiverse Theory -- multiple dimensions in the universe -- parallel universes.

You're trying to apply That to the creation of the universe that God created.

Please -- Try to separate the Multiverse Theory from God's Creation.

 

[Seve]

@Seve -- you're right -- all of this Is Your theory -- you Do include Scripture.

Your term 'multiverse' was used first by William James back in 1895 and is used in a fiction and current physics context by Michael Moorcock - 1963 SF Adventures novella "The Sundered Worlds.

It's called the Multiverse Theory -- multiple dimensions in the universe -- parallel universes.

You're trying to apply That to the creation of the universe that God created.

Please -- Try to separate the Multiverse Theory from God's Creation.

Dear Fellow Christians,

Beware of those Ancient Traditional Teachings (see opposition above) - which is based on Goatherder' Theology - who can NOT support their view with Scripture; who always try to force their doctrinal biased view into the issues at hand, while refusing to acknowledge the Biblical Truth that is clearly documented in the Scripture.

They do NOT understand that Genesis Agrees in EVERY way with EVERY other discovered Truth so they invent their own Spirit-free view. This view does NOT agree with either Scripture, Science nor History so they claim there is One Truth for the Bible and another for scientists and historians.

This is FALSE because, God's Truth will always agree with EVERY other discovered Truth or you the have the WRONG interpretation of Scripture, since, there is ONLY One Truth and God's Truth will always ALWAYS agrees with EVERY DISCOVERED TRUTH.

The fault is NOT with God's Truth, BUT with their ability to understand what is written in the Scripture, because, as the heaven is higher than the earth, so is God's thought is higher than our thought.

However, only willingly ignorant will always stumble to this Truth, even, after being informed repeatedly.

God Bless

 

[Sue D.]

All I can / will say is WoW.

You seem to believe that you have a more Biblical insight about creation than God did as the creator Of.

Well -- that Is your opinion.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well only in my opinion, it really does matter how many days it took to make the whole universe. What so great about it, I think, is before it was “time” or “space”, or a “day”. “GOD” just “Spoke” “let it be” and HE didn’t have to “shout”! And He didn’t have to “work”. Now that is “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. You know the one who, drown Pharaoh’s army in the Red Sea!

Now, if Jesus has been preparing us a place, and it is taking this long. More than 7 days! What a place, that is going to be!!!! My my my My!!!! Good GOD ALMiGHTY!
I got my shouting shoes on!!!

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- yes it Does matter -- His Word says it took Him 6 24-hr days. Is His Word correct or Not. Is He powerful enough to do that -- Yes , He is.

IF He's not That powerful -- then maybe He didn't really raise Jesus Christ from the dead. We Know He did That. And He Also caused the Holy Spirit to come a young woman who was a virgin and impregnate her and allow Jesus Christ, God's Son to be born. That is biologically impossible, but He Did It.

Yes, He Did simply Speak this universe into existence.

No 'Multiverse Theory' is necessary. God did it His Way.

 

[PloughBoy]

And many Christians have no idea what verse 3 means in this context.

(Colossians 3:1-4). Take note:
set you mind where Christ is seated on the throne!

1If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth.3For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ who is youra life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.

 

[Sue D.]

And that has What to do with Genesis passage?!

 

[Seve]

Well only in my opinion, it really does matter how many days it took to make the whole universe. What so great about it, I think, is before it was “time” or “space”, or a “day”. “GOD” just “Spoke” “let it be” and HE didn’t have to “shout”! And He didn’t have to “work”. Now that is “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”. You know the one who, drown Pharaoh’s army in the Red Sea!

Now, if Jesus has been preparing us a place, and it is taking this long. More than 7 days! What a place, that is going to be!!!! My my my My!!!! Good GOD ALMiGHTY!
I got my shouting shoes on!!!

Dear PloughBoy,

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Formless) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

God knew that in order for Darkness/Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust) and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.

The emergence of Light was when YHWH, the Son of God - the only God physically formed for us to see and witness - came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.

The Son took some of these Air, Dust and Water and made firmament of Heaven of Adam' world on the 2nd Day.

Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?. Based on the cited Scripture, below, is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH or Jesus, the Son of God, again took some of this physical matters - air, dust, and water - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos. That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes our worlds.

May the good Lord share you more wisdom and understanding.

God Bless

 

[PloughBoy]

And that has What to do with Genesis passage?!

Well, It Has something to do with “GOD all Mighty”. The creator of Genesis.

 

[PloughBoy]

Dear PloughBoy,

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Formless) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Again, here’s what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

God knew that in order for Darkness/Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (like Dust) and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.

The emergence of Light was when YHWH, the Son of God - the only God physically formed for us to see and witness - came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said… Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3)… before anything is made that was made… before the world was.

The Son took some of these Air, Dust and Water and made firmament of Heaven of Adam' world on the 2nd Day.

Again, WHERE did this invisible energy come from?. Based on the cited Scripture, below, is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH or Jesus, the Son of God, again took some of this physical matters - air, dust, and water - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos. That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes our worlds.

May the good Lord share you more wisdom and understanding.

God Bless

“Einstein” the “atheist “ , ok.
“Well who created the “energy”, the air, the dust, the water, the space [place], where the “atmosphere” occupies?
And how did the “Son” mold the earth with water and air and dust together to make the earth? Did he use his hands, if so, what kind of bowl did he mix the materials in.
GOD must be a “Chemist”!
Don’t get mad, ok! You left that door wide open for that one!

 

[B-A-C]

John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Nothing exists that wasn't created by God. No elements, no chemicals, no compounds, ... nothing.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

 

[Seve]

“Einstein” the “atheist “ , ok.
“Well who created the “energy”, the air, the dust, the water, the space [place], where the “atmosphere” occupies?
And how did the “Son” mold the earth with water and air and dust together to make the earth? Did he use his hands, if so, what kind of bowl did he mix the materials in.
GOD must be a “Chemist”!
Don’t get mad, ok! You left that door wide open for that one!

You should again try reading post # 30 above which was address directly to you - to avoid the same questions that has been answered before hand.

Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Formless) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Again, Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us that the 3 elements Created BEFORE the first Day - It was Air, Dust, and Water. God simply flipped the Energy into matters - Air, Dust and Water - in the beginning but was without form and void (formless) and use these matters to FRAME our Worlds by the word of God.

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (plural) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Who created the energy and where did it come from, you asked. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives - WHO is the True Light that No Man can approach to; and no man can see:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

How did the Son mold the earth with Air; Dust and Water to make the Earth? Read the Scripture below:

Isa 45:11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. v12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

In other words: Our Lord God does NOT need a "bowl" to mold and mix the matters together - Air, Dust, and Water. Continue reading below:

Jer 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

God Bless

 

[PloughBoy]

Ok, you just repeating what God has told us already. Ok I get it

 

[Seve]

Ok, you just repeating what God has told us already. Ok I get it

Is that right? So, why are you still asking the same questions that are already included, covered and explained in detailed in my post address directly to you?

You are not trying to be slick with me, are you? I am just asking and being curious.

Thanks

 

[PloughBoy]

No I am not trying to be slick, since you made it clear to me that you was just verifying what the Bible was already sayingI I just didn’t understand what you was was saying. Since I already know what the Bible is saying, I will just move on . Shalom

 

[Sue D.]

Seve -- that which you Have been doing is taking Scripture that we Do have and adjusting it to Your interpretation Of which Is based on a Multiverse Theory which has aspects of Sci-Fi in it. Multi-verse meaning multiple universes or dimensions

that which we Do have Scripturally -- Is -- the spirit world which Is invisible and the visible world that we live in. That is what Ephesians 6 is about vs 10 - 17 -- the armor of God Because of spiritual warfare.

And apparently you find it interesting that God's Word agrees with Einstein findings. Which is putting Einstein as more of an authority than God's Word.

God's Word is to be our final authority. When something Contradicts God's Word -- then God's Word is the standard to be followed.

 

[Seve]

Dear Fellow Christians,

Beware of those Ancient Traditional Teachings (see opposition above) - which is based on Goatherder' Theology - who can NOT support their view with Scripture; who always try to force their doctrinal biased view into the issues at hand, while refusing to acknowledge the Biblical Truth that is clearly documented in the Scripture.

They do NOT understand that Genesis Agrees in EVERY way with EVERY other discovered Truth so they invent their own Spirit-free view. This view does NOT agree with either Scripture, Science nor History so they claim there is One Truth for the Bible and another for scientists and historians.

This is FALSE because, God's Truth will always agree with EVERY other discovered Truth or you the have the WRONG interpretation of Scripture, since, there is ONLY One Truth and God's Truth will always ALWAYS agrees with EVERY DISCOVERED TRUTH.

The fault is NOT with God's Truth, BUT with their ability to understand what is written in the Scripture, because, as the heaven is higher than the earth, so is God's thought is higher than our thought.

However, only willingly ignorant will always stumble to this Truth, even, after being informed repeatedly.

Seve -- that which you Have been doing is taking Scripture that we Do have and adjusting it to Your interpretation Of which Is based on a Multiverse Theory which has aspects of Sci-Fi in it. Multi-verse meaning multiple universes or dimensions

that which we Do have Scripturally -- Is -- the spirit world which Is invisible and the visible world that we live in. That is what Ephesians 6 is about vs 10 - 17 -- the armor of God Because of spiritual warfare.

And apparently you find it interesting that God's Word agrees with Einstein findings. Which is putting Einstein as more of an authority than God's Word.

God's Word is to be our final authority. When something Contradicts God's Word -- then God's Word is the standard to be followed.

Sue D.,

What you don't like is that I expose the looniness of YOUR False theology. Sorry.

Scripture says that those who have not been born again have eyes which CANNOT see, and ears which CANNOT hear. Tell us of your mysterious ability to see into the mind of another. Your false accusations are surpassed only by your ability to ambush someone you know nothing about.

Either debate or run, but don't waste everyone's time by projecting your own weaknesses upon me.

 

[Sue D.]

@Seve -- you don't sound very sorry ----- I have been born-again for Many years. I Do have very good eyes and can hear very well.

A person's mind is revealed by what they share either on paper or verbally.

My 'ambushing' is in the form of Googling the multiverse information that you shared and sharing what I / anyone else / can find. You are free to look it up, also.

Now -- feel free to share how you Really feel.