JESUS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW TESTAMENT

[JesusIs4Me]

@JesusIs4Me,
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do God's commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Unless a believer does God's commandments, they will not only be unable to marry the Bride Groom, they will not be able to enter into the city where the Bride Groom is.

If you want to use the reference from Revelation, then consider for whom the tree of life is for, because it cannot be for the first fruit of the resurrection.

Luke 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

So the first fruit of the resurrection do not need to eat from the tree of life; so then ask yourself, who is that for? Those who grow up during the millennium reign of Christ?

Revelation 22:1And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

Do consider that not every one entering that city is of the first fruit of the resurrection because after the great tribulation, the city of God in Heaven will come down to earth to dwell among men.

Rev 21:7 He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and "unbelieving," and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

This confirms 1Corinthians 15:1, 2 and Galatians 5: 1-3. If we as believers overcome then we will inherit all things, but if we do not, we will be cast into the lake of fire. This is also what John is saying; we have power to "BECOME" sons of God (Joh. 1:12). God has placed it in our hand to be obedient through faith and follow Him. If we believe His word and are doers of His word we're good, if not we are deceiving ourselves (Jam. 1:22).

As far as sin goes; a believer or an unbeliever that does not believe Jesus took away their sins agree. The only way we as believers can live this life in Christ is to believe what God tells us. If Jesus said He took away our sins, and you say He did not take away our sins; it appear you are rejecting what Jesus said He did. I'm not rejecting anything He did. Why would you try to get me to believe Jesus did not take away our sin?

I am not the one who inspired John to speak the prophesy, "behold the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world." If you don't believe this, your agrument is not with me. You are agruing with me about something Jesus said He would do; I'm just confirming what He said. You actually are rejecting me as a witness to what Jesus did.

Rom 3:4 ...Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou are judged (Rev.3:5).

You are applying your verses and deriving from beyond what it says at the expense from other scripture in according to your errant beliefs, AND you have yet to address how can there be any vessels unto dishonor in His House when the vessels unto honor in His House are those that have departed from iniquity as per 2 Timothy 2:18-21 for why the former believers still have His seal as they are still called to depart from iniquity?

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy,
We are not going to agree. We are from two completely different mindsets scripturally. I've address your request concerning James 4:17, and you have not address mine.

Give me scriptures that prove your point. Ive asked you to give me scriptures that teach Jesus took away the punishment but did not take away our sins. You refuse to do this.

Therefore, I choose not to continue with you in foolishness. like we're children going back and forth. If you choose to fulfill my request and send me scriptures as i've asked I will repond, but if not, I will not continue this with you.

Hello!

Of COURSE we will both agree, as long as we continue to seek truth together (and PROPERLY respond to it).

Now, you write: "Give me scriptures that prove your point."

My response: JAMES 4:17 proves that you sometimes sin!

Is James 4:17 TRUE OR FALSE? (interesting you refuse to answer this question....)

You wrote: "Therefore, I choose not to continue with you in foolishness."

My response: So it's "foolishness" to require that you believe James 4:17?

You wrote: "like we're children going back and forth."

My response: I'm no child, Regi. I'm setting JAMES 4:17 before you because you oppose it.

You wrote: "Ive asked you to give me scriptures that teach Jesus took away the punishment but did not take away our sins. You refuse to do this."

My response: Why assume "take away the punishment of sins" is not equivalent to "take away our sins"?

THAT is a key underlying presupposition which you have continued to fail to justify.

So, I'll ask again: Why assume "take away the punishment of sins" is not equivalent to "take away our sins"?

regards...

 

[regibassman57]

@Dave,

If I were making assumptions, I could not point out what you said. You said, "I am a sinner." Yes, we disagree, but written words have no emotions. I've told you I have no problem with you and yes, I do love you; but if I hear error and do not address it, I will give account to God.

Ezekiel 3:18
When I say to him, you shall surely die; and you gives him not warning, nor speaks to warn him from his wicked way, to save his life; the same man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand.

This is the only expression of love I know. You will get over your feelings, but if you are wrong, opinion or not, you will give account.

I understand you saying, Jesus "covered" your sins and has forgiven your sins, but a covering is not a taking away. The sin of the world was covered and forgiven from Adam throughout the Mosaic Law. God did not send His Son to cover sin, the blood of bulls and goats were sufficient to cover and have sins forgiven. God sent His Son to take away sin. There is a big difference here; covered as oppose to taking away. You cover a bad paint job on your car until you take it away and get it fix. You cover cracks in your walls, but that's not taking it away. The problem is still there and you have just covered it up (I could use better examples but you understand my point). God said His Son would come and make an "END OF SIN" not cover it up. God who is all knowledge knows the difference between a covering and the taking away of something. Read these next verses honestly from your heart:

Hebrews 10:11
And every priest stood daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which "can never take away sins":

Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Hebrews 10:12
But Jesus, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God;

1 John 3:5
And you know that Jesus was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

If you are honest with yourself you know and can read the difference. You said we see things differently. Yes, because there is a difference. You said, we basically believe the same thing? No we do not. The reason you call it sin is because you do not fully understand what Jesus did concerning sin. You do not believe Jesus took away sin, you believe He covered and forgave your sins until the next time you sin; and then Jesus will cover your sins up again and forgive you. This will happen until the day you die in your mind. I believe Jesus took sin away; not covered them. I believe Jesus finished the work of sins and you do not.

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Everlasting Righteousness could not enter until Jesus finished the work of sin. Jesus made reconciliation for man's lawlessness. Sin is the breaking of the law.

God established through Jesus, in His mind, we cannot break His law and sin. Jesus came and fulfilled the law on our behalf. If we break the law, God sees Jesus has fulfilled the law for us. Just as Adam represented all men when he sinned, and all men became sinners (Adam's sin passed to all men). Jesus represented all men in righteousness and all men became righteous if they believe in Jesus Christ. Righteousness and sin is not mutual.

I realize you may not or do not understand what you’re saying, but that does not stop me from doing God's will. I know you are seeking The Lord, and it's my responsibility to present the truth to those that are seeking truth.

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy,
I’m sure you’ve received my answer to James 4:17. If you agree wonderful if not you believe what you believe.

This is a good question and I will respond to it.

You said: Why assume "take away the punishment of sins" is not equivalent to "take away our sins"?

Answer: The punishment for sin is separate (to a degree) from the taking away of sins. The punishment for sins began with the beatings that Jesus Christ suffered and endured before and during the cross. Jesus took the penalty of suffering for the sins of all man. The sentence of death also came with the suffering and beating stating that Jesus must die. Once Jesus died the penalty phase was over.

The work of sin was not over until Jesus rose from the dead, but the penalty phase was. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, the preaching of “we are saved from our sins” is in vain; or any other scripture referencing how Jesus defeated the nature of sin.

1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that “Christ died for our sins” according to the scriptures;

Scriptures teach that Jesus died for our sins. Primarily Jesus did not die for our punishment; our punishment was placed upon Jesus because our sins were placed upon Him. Jesus paid the price for sins in our place. If there were no sins, there would be no punishment; not the other way around. This shows they are not equivalent.

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy,
I’m sure you’ve received my answer to James 4:17. If you agree wonderful if not you believe what you believe.

This is a good question and I will respond to it.

You said: Why assume "take away the punishment of sins" is not equivalent to "take away our sins"?

Answer: The punishment for sin is separate (to a degree) from the taking away of sins. The punishment for sins began with the beatings that Jesus Christ suffered and endured before and during the cross. Jesus took the penalty of suffering for the sins of all man. The sentence of death also came with the suffering and beating stating that Jesus must die. Once Jesus died the penalty phase was over.

The work of sin was not over until Jesus rose from the dead, but the penalty phase was. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, the preaching of “we are saved from our sins” is in vain; or any other scripture referencing how Jesus defeated the nature of sin.

1Co 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; you are yet in your sins.

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that “Christ died for our sins” according to the scriptures;

Scriptures teach that Jesus died for our sins. Primarily Jesus did not die for our punishment; our punishment was placed upon Jesus because our sins were placed upon Him. Jesus paid the price for sins in our place. If there were no sins, there would be no punishment; not the other way around. This shows they are not equivalent.

Ok...it appears we're making some progress on this front now...

You wrote: "If there were no sins, there would be no punishment; not the other way around. This shows they are not equivalent."

My response: There's a problem here.

You said: "If there were no sins, there would be no punishment; not the other way around."

However, this statement you made is false.

1. If no one ever sinned, then there would never be any punishment for any sin.
2. If no one was ever punished for any sin, then no one ever sinned.

Now, #1 and #2 are BOTH true.

Thus, you are WRONG to claim: "If there were no sins, there would be no punishment; not the other way around."

Why are you wrong? Because the "other way around" is ALSO true.

Now then: Do you agree that #1 and #2 are BOTH true?

blessings...

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy,
No sin, no punishment for sin.
Believers do not sin, therefore, no punishment for sin.

You believe you sin, you have no faith Jesus took away all your sins.
No faith, equals punishment

Give me scripture where believers in Christ will be judge for their sins; since you cannot fulfill my other request. Remember, show me scripture where Jesus took away the punishment for sin, without taking away sin?

I at least answered your request, but you disagree. Answe my questions.

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy,
What does this scripture mean to you?

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:
for, The just shall live by faith.

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy,
No sin, no punishment for sin.
Believers do not sin, therefore, no punishment for sin.

You believe you sin, you have no faith Jesus took away all your sins.
No faith, equals punishment

Give me scripture where believers in Christ will be judge for their sins; since you cannot fulfill my other request. Remember, show me scripture where Jesus took away the punishment for sin, without taking away sin?

I at least answered your request, but you disagree. Answe my questions.

Hey now! Why should I answer your question, if you refuse to answer mine?

I'll ask again:

1. If no one ever sinned, then there would never be any punishment for any sin.
2. If no one was ever punished for any sin, then no one ever sinned.

Now: Are #1 and #2 both true?

You wrote: "You believe you sin, you have no faith Jesus took away all your sins."

My response: Nonsense! Jesus takes away every sin I commit! Why? Because I PRAY the way He TOLD US to pray: "forgive us our sins..." (ongoing prayer requirement you apparently REFUSE to obey! Lk. 11:4).

You wrote: "No faith, equals punishment."

My response: Careful! It's YOU who oppose the "faith" (Gr "pistis") which Paul describes. Thus, YOU deserve punishment (per your own comment).

Remember? Paul quotes "emunah" (Hab. 2:4) as the "pistis" we should exhibit. And what is this way of "emunah" which Paul requires? TORAH! (see "emunah" in Ps. 119:30,86,138). Of course, I still await a response from you on this.

You wrote: "Give me scripture where believers in Christ will be judge for their sins."

My response: Ok. 2 Cor. 5:10. Also, 1 Cor. 3:15. Also Mt. 5:19.

You wrote: "since you cannot fulfill my other request"

My response: Precisely, WHICH request are you talking about?

You wrote: "Remember, show me scripture where Jesus took away the punishment for sin, without taking away sin?"

My response: It's acceptable to say that Jesus took away our sins AND the punishment for our sins (if we are in Christ). But we sometimes still sin (per Jas. 4:17 and your confession that even YOU sometimes know what is right, but still do wrong).

That's not a contradiction.

That simply proves that even though we sometimes still sin, Jesus STILL continues to take away our sins AND the punishment that we would (if we were not in Christ) incur for that sin.

So then, is James 4:17 true or false?

blessings...

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy ,

Ok, it's been fun, again I say this. I've answered questions previous to this last one. I've been patient, so if you choose not answer, ok.

 

[regibassman57]

@Life,
When Jesus died for sins, He made man free “from sin.” It’s not possible for believers that are in Christ to even flirt with sin. “From” is the key word. This is just a reminder.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus “has made me free” “from” the law of “sin” AND “death.”

G575 (from)
apo
A primary particle; “off”, that is, away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literally or figuratively): - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it “usually denotes”: separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.

Rom 6:18 Being then made “free from sin,” you became the servants of righteousness.

Rom 6:20 For when you were the servants of sin, “you were free from righteousness.”

Rom 6:22 But now being made “free from sin,” and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

ANY QUESTION PLEASE POST:

 

[regibassman57]

@Life
I would like to briefly explain Galatians 3:11 for the viewers that may not understand what it means to be justified by the law.

Gal 3:11 But that “no man” is “justified by the law” in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Under the Mosaic Law Israel had to perform or work through sacrifices to atone for the sins they would commit in order to be made justified/innocent of their sins before God. Once Israel offered the sacrifices for the atonement of their sins, they would be declared Righteous before God and would be restored back unto His favor. This work was man’s responsibility.

In Christ, God would do away with this Law of Atonement; because Jesus would be the last sacrifice to atone for man’s sins forever in God’s sight (as it says, not man shall be justified). A man is no longer justified through the law by his works to be declared righteous. A man can only be declared righteous if he or she believes, by faith, that Jesus has come and did the work in taking away their sins. This is what Daniel speaks about.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, “to finish the transgression,” and “to make an end of sins,” and “to make reconciliation for iniquity,” and “to bring in everlasting righteousness,” and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and “to anoint the most Holy.”

G2643 (atonement)
katallagē
From G2644; exchange (figuratively adjustment), that is, restoration to (the divine) favor: - atonement, reconciliation (-ing).

New Covenant believers look only to Jesus Christ (the most Holy) through “faith” as the offered atonement for their sins. We believe that Jesus did the work to justify all men from their sins (causing them to be innocent) through faith. Jesus would make them Righteous once for all time without their efforts of work. Only Jesus could offer up this sacrifice and make atonement for their sins (Rom. 5:11).

Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

G3900 (offenses)
paraptōma
From G3895; a side slip (lapse or deviation), that is, (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression: - fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass.

G1347 (justification)
dikaiōsis
From G1344; acquittal (for Christ’s sake): - justification.;

Some people speak of this as the “Great Exchange” because God takes man’s sins and give them His Righteousness never to remember their sin again. For Israel this would happen once a year. However, with New Covenant believers in Christ, this happened once for all time. Jesus took our sins once and God will never see us sin or as sinners who are defiled. Israel would ask for forgiveness that they may be cleansed from their defilement. Believers in Christ can never be defiled with sin.

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, “undefiled,” “separate from sinners,” and made higher than the heavens

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy ,

The only thing that is equivalent in the mind of Jesus Christ is He equally condemned sin and death. No sin equals no penalty.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy ,

Ok, it's been fun, again I say this. I've answered questions previous to this last one. I've been patient, so if you choose not answer, ok.

Howdy!

"Patient" is not the term that comes to mind.

I'd say more like RESISTANT to Biblical truths which don't fit into your viewpoint.

You've opposed James 4:17.

So, I have no choice but to call you out as an unbiblical theologian.

Why do I use the term "unbiblical" ?

Because you have opposed the truth-content of James 4:17.

Sorry....I can't go there.

I actually choose to BELIEVE Biblical Scripture.

Thus, I must reason as follows:

1. Regibassman57 sometimes knows what is right to do, yet he does wrong [as confessed by regibassman57 himself].
2. Knowing what is right to do, and not doing it, is sin (James 4:17).
3. Regibassman57 sometimes sins (from 1 and 2).
4. Regibassman57 claims he does NOT sometimes sin.

CONCLUSION: Regibassman57 has flatly contradicted JAMES 4:17.

So, it is no longer profitable for me to engage you directly from Scripture.

Why?

Because I've now established that you are not willing to submit to Scriptural authority when it contradicts your preferred viewpoint.

Sorry....but you've now been exposed.

Unless, of course, you are willing to repent and accept the truth of James 4:17.

Are you willing to now accept the truth of James 4:17?

blessings....

 

[regibassman57]

@Life,
I would like to add to my post #151.

Galatians 3:11 teaches no man is justified by the law in God's sight, the just shall live by faith.

This is about confession of sins. Israel was required to confess their sins as part of their atonement before God. We as believer are not required to confess sins we do not have.

The first time a believer comes to Christ, they are required to confess their sins acknowledging they agree with God they are a sinner. God is not requiring them to confess individual sins because there are many known sins as well as unknown sins. Once this person confesses they are a sinner they are saved at that point from their sins (1Joh. 1:9: Rom. 10:9, 10).

From the day a person accepts Jesus as their savior, they no longer need to ask God for forgiveness for sins. Jesus has already forgiven and blotted out the sins in that person's life once for all time. If the believer desires to tell The Lord they are sorry for an unfruitful work they have committed, they can. This is a personal relationship we've entered into with God. God is not looking for words of forgiveness, but repentance from the heart through actions of obedience to His word.

1 John 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

God desires obedience from the heart before words. God saw Israel in words and not actions of obedience from the heart.

Matthew 15:8
This people draws near unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

 

[regibassman57]

@Life,
Finishing my explanation on Galatians 3:11:

Galatians 3:11 teaches no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, the just shall live by faith.

Just as no man will be justified or declared Righteous by the Law of Moses in the sight of God, they will neither be declared to have sinned by the Law of Moses. It was by the Law of Moses that Israel was told they sinned; but because Jesus Christ became the justifier of all men in the sight of God, the Mosaic Law has been taken out of the way for justification and condemnation.

Romans 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that judges.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemns? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Christ has told us He has condemned the Law of sin and death on the cross (Rom. 8:2, 3). The only law that gave knowledge of sin and death was the Mosaic Law.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Only the Mosaic Law gave this knowledge. Where there is no law, there is no transgression (Rom. 4:15).

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in God's sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

As scripture teaches the Law of Moses is not sin, the law revealed sin to a person doing the wrong. This was the power that God gave the law. God has taken that power away from the Mosaic Law.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin; and the strength (power) of sin is the law.

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the "Law" said, it saith to them who are "under/justified by the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

The Mosaic Law cannot tell a person they've sinned neither can it declare them Righteous; it has lost its power to do so through the justification of Jesus Christ.

Because Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law of Moses, the law can no longer tell a person they have sinned which is to condemn them.

 

[bibleguy]

@Life,
I would like to add to my post #151.

Galatians 3:11 teaches no man is justified by the law in God's sight, the just shall live by faith.

This is about confession of sins. Israel was required to confess their sins as part of their atonement before God. We as believer are not required to confess sins we do not have.

The first time a believer comes to Christ, they are required to confess their sins acknowledging they agree with God they are a sinner. God is not requiring them to confess individual sins because there are many known sins as well as unknown sins. Once this person confesses they are a sinner they are saved at that point from their sins (1Joh. 1:9: Rom. 10:9, 10).

From the day a person accepts Jesus as their savior, they no longer need to ask God for forgiveness for sins. Jesus has already forgiven and blotted out the sins in that person's life once for all time. If the believer desires to tell The Lord they are sorry for an unfruitful work they have committed, they can. This is a personal relationship we've entered into with God. God is not looking for words of forgiveness, but repentance from the heart through actions of obedience to His word.

1 John 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

God desires obedience from the heart before words. God saw Israel in words and not actions of obedience from the heart.

Matthew 15:8
This people draws near unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

The comment was made: "We as believer are not required to confess sins we do not have."

My response: It is GOOD to confess the sins of our people, corporately, even if we have not personally sinned (Da. 9).

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy,
You said:
The comment was made: "We as believer are not required to confess sins we do not have."
You said:
My response: It is GOOD to confess the sins of our people, corporately, even if we have not personally sinned (Da. 9).

You chose not to read my complete #151 post.

I wrote: If the believer desires to tell The Lord they are sorry for an unfruitful work they have committed, they can. This is a personal relationship we've entered into with God. God is not looking for words of forgiveness, but repentance from the heart through actions of obedience to His word.

God desires obedience from the heart before words. God saw Israel in words and not actions of obedience from the heart.

Matthew 15:8
This people draws near unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

1 John 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy,
You said:
The comment was made: "We as believer are not required to confess sins we do not have."
You said:
My response: It is GOOD to confess the sins of our people, corporately, even if we have not personally sinned (Da. 9).

You chose not to read my complete #151 post.

I wrote: If the believer desires to tell The Lord they are sorry for an unfruitful work they have committed, they can. This is a personal relationship we've entered into with God. God is not looking for words of forgiveness, but repentance from the heart through actions of obedience to His word.

God desires obedience from the heart before words. God saw Israel in words and not actions of obedience from the heart.

Matthew 15:8
This people draws near unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

1 John 3:18
My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Yes, you make good points. Thank you.

But, I don't see anything in post #151 which contradicts my response.

So, it's still true that it is GOOD to confess the sins of our people, corporately, even if we have not personally sinned (Da. 9).

And indeed, we Christians are woefully uninformed regarding our identity in ISRAEL (Jer. 31:31) and our Torah-obedient obligations (Jer. 31:33) as participants in the many Torah-laden covenants between YHVH and ISRAEL.

So indeed, it's GOOD that we confess the sins of our people, for many among us continue to (unintentionally) sin against the very Torah (see "TORAH", Jer. 31:31-33) of the New Covenant in which we participate.

God makes provision for ongoing forgiveness of unintentional sin (via temporary Levitical-sacrificial atonement and, ultimately, via the permanent effect of the blood of the Messiah).

blessings....

 

[regibassman57]

@bibleguy,
You said:
So indeed, it's GOOD that we confess the sins of our people, for many among us continue to (unintentionally) sin against the very Torah (see "TORAH", Jer. 31:31-33) of the New Covenant in which we participate.

God makes provision for ongoing forgiveness of “unintentional sin” (via temporary Levitical-sacrificial atonement and, ultimately, via the permanent effect of the blood of the Messiah).

My thought"
Jesus is the only and final provisions made for sins. Intentional and unintentional sins we have been acquitted from. Jesus was delivered for unintentional and intentional sins. From meaning separated, departure, completion, etc.

Rom 4:25 Jesus was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

G3900 (offences)
paraptōma
From G3895; a side slip (lapse or deviation), that is, (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression: - fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass.

G1347 (justification)
dikaiōsis
From G1344; acquittal (for Christ’s sake): - justification.

G575 (from)
apo
A primary particle; “off”, that is, away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literally or figuratively): - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.

I guess you are sticking to what you said, "the punishment of sins has been taken away." So I guess Romans 4:25 is only taking about the punishment? Is that what you're saying?

 

[bibleguy]

@bibleguy,
You said:
So indeed, it's GOOD that we confess the sins of our people, for many among us continue to (unintentionally) sin against the very Torah (see "TORAH", Jer. 31:31-33) of the New Covenant in which we participate.

God makes provision for ongoing forgiveness of “unintentional sin” (via temporary Levitical-sacrificial atonement and, ultimately, via the permanent effect of the blood of the Messiah).

My thought"
Jesus is the only and final provisions made for sins. Intentional and unintentional sins we have been acquitted from. Jesus was delivered for unintentional and intentional sins. From meaning separated, departure, completion, etc.

Rom 4:25 Jesus was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

G3900 (offences)
paraptōma
From G3895; a side slip (lapse or deviation), that is, (unintentional) error or (wilful) transgression: - fall, fault, offence, sin, trespass.

G1347 (justification)
dikaiōsis
From G1344; acquittal (for Christ’s sake): - justification.

G575 (from)
apo
A primary particle; “off”, that is, away (from something near), in various senses (of place, time, or relation; literally or figuratively): - (X here-) after, ago, at, because of, before, by (the space of), for (-th), from, in, (out) of, off, (up-) on (-ce), since, with. In composition (as a prefix) it usually denotes separation, departure, cessation, completion, reversal, etc.

I guess you are sticking to what you said, "the punishment of sins has been taken away." So I guess Romans 4:25 is only taking about the punishment? Is that what you're saying?

Hello!

GOD's thought: SIN OFFERINGS will be restored (Eze. 40-46).

And sure, Jesus was raised for our justification (Rom. 4:25), but if we oppose Torah and condone lawlessness, then we are not justified, but at risk of severe consequences (Mt. 5:19-20; 7:21-23; 13:41-42).

That's why we who DO the law will be justified (Rom. 2:13).

That's why those who obey Torah will have eternal life (Lk. 10:25-28).

You wrote: "So I guess Romans 4:25 is only taking about the punishment? Is that what you're saying?"

My response: Sure. If I sin tomorrow, then has Jesus already taken away that sin? Of course not! It hasn't even happened yet!

You can't take away something that doesn't even exist yet.

Has Jesus taken away the PUNISHMENT (that I would deserve if I did not have faith in Him)? Sure.

blessings....