Biblical Accuracy
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I know that 'this' comment is Way out of sequence and i apologize for that.
Terminology is important. "converted' instead of 'saved' for instance. I Corinthians 15:1-4 or vs 2 "By this Gospel you are saved." that was from NIV study Bible. The KJV uses the same word 'saved'. My husband has that version. And the NKJV Also uses the term to 'be saved".
to You -- what's the difference between being 'converted' and being 'saved'. ?
How can a person's salvation be assured of After the final judgement. Either a person is 'saved' during his/ her lifetime -- the here and now -- or they Aren't. The decision made Now makes the difference between heaven or hell After the final judgement.
A person's sanctification Begins at the time of their salvation -- we Are to grow in the grace and Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is the Only One with all-knowledge. We are Not God -- we will Not ever have all-knowledge. We don't become equal to God or Jesus Christ when we are with Him in eternal life.
Are you concerned that because of your personal background -- maybe you used bad language at one time -- so you are more conscious of every word you speak than someone else would be -- that you won't be considered to be a 'good and faithful servant' if you slip up and use a bad word? And that is your goal -- that God find you to be a good and faithful servant of His. Sounds like you're very concerned about your standing in Christ in that area. Your 'good work' in sustaining your sanctification?!
Hi, Sue.
I have www.biblegateway.com in a tab alongside the Talk Jesus site so I can switch back and forth as needed,
I'm not going to recheck for the anomaly.
I haven't replied yet.
Who are you 'arguing' with?
The KJV bible says we ARE sanctified and then tells us how it happened. (Heb 10)
Other versions say "you are being sanctified", implying a long drawn out process,,,wherein sin is to be expected,
Those versions with that implication are false interpretations of God's word.
I pray you can see that.
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Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus.
Moved off thread topic so created this so one thread for you all to beat the Bible Versions accuracy to your hearts content.
However, keep in mind that in so doing you are not uplifting the Word of God, but rather bringing it down.
Brother @At Peace
Even though I have created this thread from other postings, don't see this as in anyway my support of disparaging remarks against the Word of God. We've had this discussion before. KJV only concept, you are welcome to, but do not disparage "all others". For as I stated before to you. I will not bring down the KJV just to prove a point to you.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Moved off thread topic so created this so one thread for you all to beat the Bible Versions accuracy to your hearts content.
However, keep in mind that in so doing you are not uplifting the Word of God, but rather bringing it down.
Brother @At Peace
Even though I have created this thread from other postings, don't see this as in anyway my support of disparaging remarks against the Word of God. We've had this discussion before. KJV only concept, you are welcome to, but do not disparage "all others". For as I stated before to you. I will not bring down the KJV just to prove a point to you.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Greetings,
they say it takes two to tango.
When I get smart enough, which isn't all that often and find that i am involved in an argument. I occasionally also realise that maybe, yes even mayybe, I might have some input into the argument and it keeping going.
Most of us like the last word in such circumstances and if we can put all the blame on the other person or people we do so happily fuelling our own sorry position.
Love is a command, and all too often we get a bit mixed up and think arguing is the command.
If you find yourself in a situation here or anywhere where you are in an argument, stop arguing. I shall probably have to eat my words before the weekend is out but that is OK. I would prefer that you are a quicker learner than me, but guarantee you that I am not impressed with my own slow learning, so use my words here to step up a bit, stand on them a little and rise up, not above others but above the mire that you find yourself sinking in.
When push comes top shove, the devil sets the murky mire and we need to encourage one another to avoid it and sometimes either help our brothers out of it or at least let them know they are heading for it or even in it.
May this be an encouragement to you.
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
they say it takes two to tango.
When I get smart enough, which isn't all that often and find that i am involved in an argument. I occasionally also realise that maybe, yes even mayybe, I might have some input into the argument and it keeping going.
Most of us like the last word in such circumstances and if we can put all the blame on the other person or people we do so happily fuelling our own sorry position.
Love is a command, and all too often we get a bit mixed up and think arguing is the command.
If you find yourself in a situation here or anywhere where you are in an argument, stop arguing. I shall probably have to eat my words before the weekend is out but that is OK. I would prefer that you are a quicker learner than me, but guarantee you that I am not impressed with my own slow learning, so use my words here to step up a bit, stand on them a little and rise up, not above others but above the mire that you find yourself sinking in.
When push comes top shove, the devil sets the murky mire and we need to encourage one another to avoid it and sometimes either help our brothers out of it or at least let them know they are heading for it or even in it.
May this be an encouragement to you.
Jesus is Lord
Bless you ....><>
Greetings,
I think you get the prize for the most unwelcome Member here at TalkJesus, At Peace. But i suppose someone has to fill that position and i want to congratulate you as you do it so well... so far.
Having said that, may I butt in?
( I also add i am not interested in arguing with you about you as others seem to delight in, forgetting that personal stuff can be done through private messaging. I am interested in you because The Lord loves you and He did something very special in and with me some 30 odd years ago that He reminds me of often. Being a slow learner I seem to get the same tests to pass and so far I understand a bit of the Longsuffering of God and Patience of God in Christ Jesus our Lord towards man, when i consider myself and how He is always pouring out His loving Kindness towards me. If we did not have an Advocate, we would be stuffed.
I have all too often growled at others for their rudeness and I think you are aware that i shall do likewise to you should you decide to get rude with me and or any others... that being said, i am not interested in you as far as asking lots of personal questions about your walk and I have no desire to find fault or trip you up. I am interested, though, in looking hard and deep at Scripture for the Glory of God, not you nor i.)
To me, a KJV man ( but a Word of God Christian) I see where you are coming from BUT....
'We are Sanctified' means something eternal, which ever way we determine it from our current tent dwelling position in time.
My tiny little mind, if i allow the Lord to have a word in my busy thoughts, is able to see a question like, when did Sanctification start and/or finish? Not by my reckoning but but the Author's.
I will also add that simply because it might be rendered as a being action rather than a completely finished and end of story action does not in my mind, imply that any excuses for sin are part of that equation.
People will think into anything if they want to. You, I and everyone needs to be aware of the danger of that and encourage one another in love to keep from doing so, to cease from doing so, to sometimes even poke them with a sharp stick to wake them up to the fact that they are, but simply because some can and do think things into anything does not automatically demand that as a rule for all.
Be careful about generalizations becoming part of the way you think. Many a good man has been seduced by the intellect to do so and none are above temptation, but as you say so often, and i thoroughly agree, the Lord provides the escapes... look out.. but listening to Him.. which means sometimes, shutting the bleep up long enough to hear Him.
Yes, many might use such versions to accommodate the flesh but AND THIS IS IMPORTANT they (men) were doing so before the new translations and even before any translations.
How does one think Jesus was so unpopular? He messed with their neat little mindsets about how to interpret the Scripture for their flesh and His raw Truth exposed that in and for them both to themselves and to others.
So, gunning down all other versions to accommodate false doctrine being proved does not ever set but remains as jelly... and we all know that jellyfish have no backbone, so it can never stand but has always to float in water. As we are to be born of water and Spirit we need some backbone, man.
I can scroll through dozens of versions, too, but if i am hunting for a concept made by my mind or agreed upon by my mind, I will find only the target i seek after with my mind.
Being transformed by the renewing of our minds means a little more than reading Scriptures and thinking church activities, as you no doubt know.
How often do we actually go about all our thinking with only the Father dictating to us?
So, again I am a KJV man and I cringe at some versions i hear and can't bring myself to hold or read some but I also know that God can make even stones cry out and so I must be able to see His Word by His Spirit in all I see and hear and read etc. If i limit my hearing to reading an English version of the Bible I limit God's long time will to communicate to me even if i couldn't read.
We live in a time that denounces all nous and it appears that all the marbles are in total disarray and there are very few that will find any truth in any version. It is a time of sadness and we really need to put down our guns and pick up out lights and get to salting the earth again before the Lord comes/returns.
There are some who are die-hard extremists regarding which version to accept or even that all are to be accepted but all they do is kill it, I do pray you are not one of them. I like to think you are not.
Again, I understand where you are coming from and i used to be pretty much the same or even more so an advocate of the KJV and can still be heard occasionally being outspoken when another version is read BUT.... as i said above.... I need to be able to hear the Word and what is written in the heart He has given me.
Take a big tip from me, do not get pushing KJV here and do not get slamming into other versions.
I am going to try to reply to a couple of other threads ASAP and try to show you and the other participants (your not-fans) how in all your versions , you have all been mishandling the Word in your charming discussions over the topic that some what to fry you about. I will try to remember to point out that the version is not the problem. It is getting on a horse that has no name and that has not been broken and will gallop where it wants to go. Been there, done that. If nothing else, one gets a very sharp lesson on horse riding!
Do your best to not pick this too much to pieces and post in peace and may the Joy of the Lord be with you in all you do.
Bless you ....><>
I think you get the prize for the most unwelcome Member here at TalkJesus, At Peace. But i suppose someone has to fill that position and i want to congratulate you as you do it so well... so far.
Having said that, may I butt in?
( I also add i am not interested in arguing with you about you as others seem to delight in, forgetting that personal stuff can be done through private messaging. I am interested in you because The Lord loves you and He did something very special in and with me some 30 odd years ago that He reminds me of often. Being a slow learner I seem to get the same tests to pass and so far I understand a bit of the Longsuffering of God and Patience of God in Christ Jesus our Lord towards man, when i consider myself and how He is always pouring out His loving Kindness towards me. If we did not have an Advocate, we would be stuffed.
I have all too often growled at others for their rudeness and I think you are aware that i shall do likewise to you should you decide to get rude with me and or any others... that being said, i am not interested in you as far as asking lots of personal questions about your walk and I have no desire to find fault or trip you up. I am interested, though, in looking hard and deep at Scripture for the Glory of God, not you nor i.)
To me, a KJV man ( but a Word of God Christian) I see where you are coming from BUT....
'We are Sanctified' means something eternal, which ever way we determine it from our current tent dwelling position in time.
My tiny little mind, if i allow the Lord to have a word in my busy thoughts, is able to see a question like, when did Sanctification start and/or finish? Not by my reckoning but but the Author's.
I will also add that simply because it might be rendered as a being action rather than a completely finished and end of story action does not in my mind, imply that any excuses for sin are part of that equation.
People will think into anything if they want to. You, I and everyone needs to be aware of the danger of that and encourage one another in love to keep from doing so, to cease from doing so, to sometimes even poke them with a sharp stick to wake them up to the fact that they are, but simply because some can and do think things into anything does not automatically demand that as a rule for all.
Be careful about generalizations becoming part of the way you think. Many a good man has been seduced by the intellect to do so and none are above temptation, but as you say so often, and i thoroughly agree, the Lord provides the escapes... look out.. but listening to Him.. which means sometimes, shutting the bleep up long enough to hear Him.
Yes, many might use such versions to accommodate the flesh but AND THIS IS IMPORTANT they (men) were doing so before the new translations and even before any translations.
How does one think Jesus was so unpopular? He messed with their neat little mindsets about how to interpret the Scripture for their flesh and His raw Truth exposed that in and for them both to themselves and to others.
So, gunning down all other versions to accommodate false doctrine being proved does not ever set but remains as jelly... and we all know that jellyfish have no backbone, so it can never stand but has always to float in water. As we are to be born of water and Spirit we need some backbone, man.
I can scroll through dozens of versions, too, but if i am hunting for a concept made by my mind or agreed upon by my mind, I will find only the target i seek after with my mind.
Being transformed by the renewing of our minds means a little more than reading Scriptures and thinking church activities, as you no doubt know.
How often do we actually go about all our thinking with only the Father dictating to us?
So, again I am a KJV man and I cringe at some versions i hear and can't bring myself to hold or read some but I also know that God can make even stones cry out and so I must be able to see His Word by His Spirit in all I see and hear and read etc. If i limit my hearing to reading an English version of the Bible I limit God's long time will to communicate to me even if i couldn't read.
We live in a time that denounces all nous and it appears that all the marbles are in total disarray and there are very few that will find any truth in any version. It is a time of sadness and we really need to put down our guns and pick up out lights and get to salting the earth again before the Lord comes/returns.
There are some who are die-hard extremists regarding which version to accept or even that all are to be accepted but all they do is kill it, I do pray you are not one of them. I like to think you are not.
Again, I understand where you are coming from and i used to be pretty much the same or even more so an advocate of the KJV and can still be heard occasionally being outspoken when another version is read BUT.... as i said above.... I need to be able to hear the Word and what is written in the heart He has given me.
Take a big tip from me, do not get pushing KJV here and do not get slamming into other versions.
I am going to try to reply to a couple of other threads ASAP and try to show you and the other participants (your not-fans) how in all your versions , you have all been mishandling the Word in your charming discussions over the topic that some what to fry you about. I will try to remember to point out that the version is not the problem. It is getting on a horse that has no name and that has not been broken and will gallop where it wants to go. Been there, done that. If nothing else, one gets a very sharp lesson on horse riding!
Do your best to not pick this too much to pieces and post in peace and may the Joy of the Lord be with you in all you do.
Bless you ....><>
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Wise words brother may I learn to follow them as well !!
Does God, or His word, ever say we can continue in sin and expect salvation after the final judgement?
I'll await your answer before adding on.
It isn't "ME" that is so unwelcome.
It is the message of complete obedience to God that some find unpalatable.
How can you "cringe" without acting on it?
Isn't it the Spirit of God, which we are given to, among other things, determine what is of God and what isn't of God?
How can you resist the prodding of the Spirit?
Thanks for lots to think about.
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Did you fail to understand what I wrote in my post and is the reason you have replied as you have?
My post to you was not a request for debate.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Salvation is NOT dependent on what version of the Bible a person reads. The bible can not save anyone. The purpose of holy scriptures is to point to the person who does save.(John 5:39)(John 20:31) Jesus is the only one who can save a person from their sins. Jesus is NOT the Bible. The Bible only contains "the words of God", but they are not the "Word of God!" The Word of God (singular, there is only one Jesus) speaks the words of God (plural, the words of God) If a person does not know Jesus, but knows all the scriptures in the Bible, that means nothing!
I fail to see how my question "disparaged" any other version of the bible.
And, if you have information you feel would "bring down" the KJV...wouldn't we all profit from that knowledge?
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Tie in the why this thread was created (#27) and where the initial postings came from Brother At Peace. There you will find the post of yours that I deleted which motivated me to the moving of certain posts to this newly created one. I hope this clarifies it for you.
As I stated in my other post. This post is also not a request for debate.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
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Greetings,
I am not sure if this helps or not, but I think that Nick is saying, as Moderator, that he does not wish to engage with you, At Peace, in this subject, especially in replying to his post(s) as a Moderator [which he clearly marks/writes as such]
Is this correct Nick?
Or is it that you do not want At Peace to reply at all to this thread entitled "Biblical Accuracy"?
What I read of your posts Nick, is that you are stating that we do not wish to get into a KJV only debate.
My advice to all is, if you can not hold your tongue regarding exalting the KJV, then best you go for a walk and say nothing.
Likewise, however, if you get your thrills from running the KJV down , go somewhere else and do it please.
The best thing some might like to do is present some useful info that you know is fact about any versions. If you eliminate what you think and what you have read on the internet etc then you will have a lot less to argue over and nobody needs to be moderated .. which would be soooo nice.
I appreciate that our Brother Nick has put this thread up and I know he is not interested in heavy duty arguments and also sneaky little comments and anything in between.
Most know that the KJV was the main stay for a long time and has served men well for hundreds of years. Most also know that there are more recent discoveries that help enhance the KJV in our understanding.
Most also know that there are some versions out there that are far too liberal and do in fact have a leaning one way or another but not the way of the Lord.
So, with that in mind, nobody needs to prove any points to anyone else.
We can all be experts with the little we have so far gleaned from the internet or some other sources.
I have seen and heard men speak(?) about versions and it was rather depressing because i had gone to hear about Jesus, the Author, and instead got my head bombarded with ignorant hate speech from some would be expert on linguistics and theology.
Been a bit that way myself in times past, so I recommend you all spare your little thumbs and fingers and don't go typing a whole rant either for or against any version with intent to prove your point.
If this bugs you, so be it.
As you all have been asked now, see if you can follow through and do as you have been asked. None of you have to be here and so likewise none have to stay, but rather than going to that level of action, how about you GENTLY open up the Word and share in love all that you are given to share.
A bring your own plate, shared meal type of luncheon. If everyone fights over the ice cream it says something about the type of people at the lunch.
Bless the Lord and post in peace,
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Greetings,
may i add that English (hence English versions) is only the tongue of about 370 million people out of 7,600,000,000 or 7,600 million. In other words, well over twenty times more people do not use English as their mother tongue. Not the best mathematician but does that equate to about 5%?
Which version should we recommend that the other 7,230,000,000 folks should stick with?
Bless you ....><>
may i add that English (hence English versions) is only the tongue of about 370 million people out of 7,600,000,000 or 7,600 million. In other words, well over twenty times more people do not use English as their mother tongue. Not the best mathematician but does that equate to about 5%?
Which version should we recommend that the other 7,230,000,000 folks should stick with?
Bless you ....><>
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Yes and for him to take care in how he replies. There is a difference between critiquing (evaluate) and denigrating (critiquing unfairly/disparage) which is what Brother At Peace does and what I hope does not happen here as it pertains to other translations.
Your interpretation of my postings here are right on point dear brother!! I was going to use "translation" instead of "interpretation", but thought it'd be a bit much considering the subject at hand.
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So then would you conclude that those people living in a period of time when the KJV Bible was available but none of the newer supposedly more accurate versions were available were more likely to be misled and miss God altogether? If that were so, it would seem to make God a respecter of persons which He certainly is not and never has been...
And then should we follow these men who have determined which version are the most accurate in order to less likely to fall in a ditch with our leaders?
And every Bible in existence and every manuscript is only a copy of the originals as none of the original manuscripts still exist. So should we throw them all out since none of them are original?
The following quote from more than one version indicates that we are not to follow the lead of the Bible but rather the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26 [KJV]
"But the comforter, [which is] the holy ghost, whom the father wyll sende in my name, he shal teach you all thinges, & bryng all thynges to your remebraunce whatsoeuer I haue sayde vnto you." John 14:26 [Bishops]
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:26[ESV]
I read the KJV as my primary English Bible, but I would not be so foolish as to limit God to that one translation/version. With the worst of translations, I suspect that He could and would keep His promises:
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied." Matt 5:6
