Sanctification

[Sue D.]

Hi, Sue,
They say the same thing
I direct you to Hebrews 10:10, and 14..
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
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We are NOT sanctified by growth in grace and knowledge, but by the body, (and it's blood), offered by Christ.
Thanks be to God, that we don't have to meander around the face of the earth seeking the right facts and how to use them before we are made holy, set apart, cleansed, consecrated, or atoned for.

So you're saying that once a person Is saved -- they have all they need in knowledge and strength and everything -- no need to grow spiritually -- we've attained?

1 Peter 2:2 "Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, now that you have tasted that the Lord is good." Just like a person, we are born and need to grow up -- become more and more mature.

 

[At Peace]

So you're saying that once a person Is saved -- they have all they need in knowledge and strength and everything -- no need to grow spiritually -- we've attained?

As our salvation wont be assured till AFTER the final judgement, your statement is true.
If, however, you mean "converted" instead of "saved", we will still grow in grace and knowledge till the vessel is called home.

1 Peter 2:2 "Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, now that you have tasted that the Lord is good." Just like a person, we are born and need to grow up -- become more and more mature.

Yes, we do.
Thanks be to God, though, that we are reborn of His seed that cannot bring forth evil fruit.

 

[At Peace]

Terminology is important. "converted' instead of 'saved' for instance. I Corinthians 15:1-4 or vs 2 "By this Gospel you are saved." that was from NIV study Bible. The KJV uses the same word 'saved'. My husband has that version. And the NKJV Also uses the term to 'be saved".

"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain." (1 Cor 15:1-2) KJV
We are indeed saved,,,by the gospel Paul presents..."if we keep in memory...etc.
But that salvation is dependent on the "if we..."
That excludes an "already happened" salvation.
The folks who say "I am saved" are correct... in a limited sense.
But if they don't hold fast to their faith, their love of God above all else, and their neighbor as themselves, they will be lost after the final judgement.

to You -- what's the difference between being 'converted' and being 'saved'. ?

Converted--changed, no longer who we once were.
Saved--No longer in danger from, in the biblical sense, the lake of fire.

How can a person's salvation be assured of After the final judgement. Either a person is 'saved' during his/ her lifetime -- the here and now -- or they Aren't. The decision made Now makes the difference between heaven or hell After the final judgement.

The final judgement will be where we find out what God thinks of our lives.
Are we in the book of life, or not.

A person's sanctification Begins at the time of their salvation -- we Are to grow in the grace and Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is the Only One with all-knowledge. We are Not God -- we will Not ever have all-knowledge. We don't become equal to God or Jesus Christ when we are with Him in eternal life.

You are equating sanctification with grace and knowledge.
Sanctified--made clean, atoned for, separated, consecrated, made holy.
Definitions I got from Strong's Concordance.
Our amount of knowledge is immaterial to our holiness.
Heb 10 defines how and when the converted are sanctified...
"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.. (Heb 10:9-10)
Does that sound like a gradual cleansing?
"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Heb 10:14)
Does that sound like a gradual atonement or consecration?
When Jesus' blood is applied to our bodies, we are made clean.
His blood is applied to us while we are in Christ on the cross. (Rom 6:3-6)
This happens at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)

Are you concerned that because of your personal background -- maybe you used bad language at one time -- so you are more conscious of every word you speak than someone else would be -- that you won't be considered to be a 'good and faithful servant' if you slip up and use a bad word? And that is your goal -- that God find you to be a good and faithful servant of His. Sounds like you're very concerned about your standing in Christ in that area. Your 'good work' in sustaining your sanctification?!

I am concerned because I love God above all else and don't want to let Him down or disappoint Him after all He has done for me.
My obedience "sustains" my sanctification.
God has given us all we need to remain obedient, faithful to Him.

 

[Sue D.]

The KJV bible says we ARE sanctified and then tells us how it happened. (Heb 10)
Other versions say "you are being sanctified", implying a long drawn out process,,,wherein sin is to be expected,

Those versions with that implication are false interpretations of God's word.
I pray you can see that.

We have differing beliefs as to the meaning of sanctification -- you believe that Your definition Of is the only correct one ----- we are told to be growing in the grace and Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Meaning that we do Not have all knowledge Of -- God is the Only One with All knowledge.

Going back to the original question -- what is sanctification -- what Dave M. was asking. I don't want to loose this post.

 

[Sue D.]

Sanctification is this a on going process or a one time thing?

My researching says that salvation is a one time happening in a person's life and that through Bible reading / prayer -- we are to be in the process of maturing as believers. God matures a believer in various ways in His timing. No one is going to attain sinless perfection in this life time. God Also have different paths for each of us. He created us as unique people. Just as we observe babies starting out life in a helpless condition -- with loving care and gradual growth -- the baby gradually grows / develops into mature adults.

 

[B-A-C]

1 John 3:9; several different versions.

(AMPC) No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine *****, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
(AMPC+) No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine *****, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
(ASV) Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
(CSB) Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because his seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.
(ESV) No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
(GNB) Those who are children of God do not continue to sin, for God's very nature is in them; and because God is their Father, they cannot continue to sin.
(GW) Those who have been born from God don't live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can't live sinful lives. They have been born from God.
(HCSB) Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.
(KJV) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(MKJV) Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
(MSG) People conceived and brought into life by God don't make a practice of sin. How could they? God's seed is deep within them, making them who they are. It's not in the nature of the God-begotten to practice and parade sin.
(NAS77) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(NASB) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(NIrV) Those who are born again because of what God has done will not keep on sinning. God's very nature remains in them. They can't go on sinning. They have been born again because of what God has done.
(NIV) No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
(NLT) Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.
(RV) Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

 

[Sue D.]

1 John 3:9; several different versions.

(AMPC) No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine *****, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
(AMPC+) No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God's nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine *****, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.
(ASV) Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.
(CSB) Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because his seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.
(ESV) No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
(GNB) Those who are children of God do not continue to sin, for God's very nature is in them; and because God is their Father, they cannot continue to sin.
(GW) Those who have been born from God don't live sinful lives. What God has said lives in them, and they can't live sinful lives. They have been born from God.
(HCSB) Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.
(KJV) Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(MKJV) Everyone who has been born of God does not commit sin, because His seed remains in him, and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
(MSG) People conceived and brought into life by God don't make a practice of sin. How could they? God's seed is deep within them, making them who they are. It's not in the nature of the God-begotten to practice and parade sin.
(NAS77) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(NASB) No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
(NIrV) Those who are born again because of what God has done will not keep on sinning. God's very nature remains in them. They can't go on sinning. They have been born again because of what God has done.
(NIV) No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
(NLT) Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.
(RV) Whosoever is begotten of God doeth no sin, because his seed abideth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is begotten of God.

Please go back to post # 44 for the passage being talked about.

 

[B-A-C]

Please go back to post # 44 for the passage being talked about.

Rev 21:8; I got it. But it really doesn't matter which verse. King James leaves the word practices out of just about all of these verses.

Rom 13:4; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
Col 3:9; Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,
1Jn 2:29; If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone also who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1Jn 3:4; Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
1Jn 3:7; Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1Jn 3:8; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9; No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
Rev 21:27; and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
Rev 22:15; Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Rom 1:32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Php 4:9; The things you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.

Neither the word "practice" nor "practicing" is in the KJ new testament. The word practices (with an "s") only appears in 2 Pet 2:14;

The Greek word that in the majority of manuscripts is...

poieō
poy-eh'-o
Apparently a prolonged form of an obsolete primary; to make or do (in a very wide application, more or less direct): - abide, + agree, appoint, X avenge, + band together, be, bear, + bewray, bring (forth), cast out, cause, commit, + content, continue, deal, + without any delay, (would) do (-ing), execute, exercise, fulfil, gain, give, have, hold, X journeying, keep, + lay wait, + lighten the ship, make, X mean, + none of these things move me, observe, ordain, perform, provide, + have purged, purpose, put, + raising up, X secure, shew, X shoot out, spend, take, tarry, + transgress the law, work, yield.

 

[Dave M]

[QUOTE="At Peace, post: 308753, member: 33069"]Because my version IS from God.
I just checked about fifteen different versions of Rev 21:8, and found just one had the word "practice" in it.[/QUOTE]

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

 

[At Peace]

We have differing beliefs as to the meaning of sanctification -- you believe that Your definition Of is the only correct one ----- we are told to be growing in the grace and Knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Meaning that we do Not have all knowledge Of -- God is the Only One with All knowledge.

Again you are equating the growth in grace and knowledge with sanctification.
Why?
Don't you think the sanctified can also grow in grace and knowledge?
Jesus was sanctified, right?
He didn't have all knowledge.

Going back to the original question -- what is sanctification -- what Dave M. was asking. I don't want to loose this post.

Sanctified--made clean, atoned for, separated, consecrated, made holy.
Definitions I got from Strong's Concordance.
What is your definition of sanctification?

 

[Sue D.]

Again you are equating the growth in grace and knowledge with sanctification.
Why?
Don't you think the sanctified can also grow in grace and knowledge?
Jesus was sanctified, right?
He didn't have all knowledge.


Sanctified--made clean, atoned for, separated, consecrated, made holy.
Definitions I got from Strong's Concordance.
What id your definition of sanctification?

Jesus meaning Jesus Christ the Son of God. He didn't need to be sanctified. He made it possible for Us to be sanctified.

I also have a Strong's Concordance. The New Exhaustive Concordance -- Greek/ Hebrew words defined. The various passages a particular word is found in and the number of the Greek / Hebrew word - exact meanings. So - what specific passages did you look up?

I didn't go that particular route, this time. I 'Googled' it and found some very good articles.

Welcome to the Bible Defended Website
www.bibledefended.com/theological/justification.html

The title of the article is "Justification - Redemption-Sanctification -- Glorification

It's only 4 pages so I printed it out.

"Sanctification -- deals with the saved person and his spiritual condition -- that every Christian is in some stage of spiritual growth.
John 17:17 "Sanctify them through Thy truth. Thy word is truth."

2 Timothy 2:15 - 17.

2 Peter 3:18 "But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ ."

Back in your post #23 -- you said that your obedience 'sustain's' your sanctification. Sustain = maintains your sanctification. Which means that you believe that your 'good works' assure your state of being able To grow. Isn't that just another way of saying you don't have eternal security?

 

[At Peace]

" (1 Tim 5:
"Sanctification -- deals with the saved person and his spiritual condition -- that every Christian is in some stage of spiritual growth.

If sanctification is a gradual process, then so is salvation...according to your citing.
All sanctified folks will continue to grow in grace and knowledge, but their sanctification is finished from the time Jesus' cleansing blood was applied.

Back in your post #23 -- you said that your obedience 'sustain's' your sanctification. Sustain = maintains your sanctification. Which means that you believe that your 'good works' assure your state of being able To grow.

I don't see how you figured that from what I said.
My obedience to God maintains my sanctification.
If you want to call obedience to God "works", so be it.

Isn't that just another way of saying you don't have eternal security?

I don't have "eternal security"..
We are exhorted to "endure till the end". (Matt 10:22)
"For some are already turned aside after Satan." (1 Tim 5:15)
If I quit on Christ I will be lost.
Like Judas, and Ananias and Sapphira. and Demas, who all left the church...(one way or another).

 

[Br. Bear]

[QUOTE="At Peace, post: 308753, member: 33069"]Because my version IS from God.
I just checked about fifteen different versions of Rev 21:8, and found just one had the word "practice" in it.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.[/QUOTE]

excuse me Dave, but what is this rot?
Be careful with that sword, son.
A ricochet could prove fatal

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

I am concerned because I love God above all else and don't want to let Him down or disappoint Him after all He has done for me.
My obedience "sustains" my sanctification.
God has given us all we need to remain obedient, faithful to Him.

don't you ever forget what he has done for you!

I might take you to task on 'your obedience' at some point, but for now i want to encourage you to keep on keeping on with your love for God and let it flow out from a full cup to others so that He can top it up with fresh blessings each morning. In other words, Great is His Faithfulness.. His loving kindness is the Life He has given, and will do, as He is love.
(hint.. your obedience renders you an unprofitable servant, or perhaps a paraphrase is, keeps you at the very least of who you are. God might be happy when we go over and above in love and do more than required in order to keep the rules. i am not saying or suggesting if you do or don't and don't want a list of goodies about your loving as that would be used as an excuse to call you proud, a fowler's trap, so to speak. But, as an obedient servant, you can also do a little more and like the woman who washed Jesus feet with her tears and hair, show that love beyond a base line obedience. Goes for all of us)

And, yes, God has supplied all our needs and made every provision for them who need it.

How any of us would fare if the temperature got turned up a few notches, we can't say but i do often wonder how the western cuddle pots would go if faced with real and cruel imminent torture and persecution and what they would do with all their words either here or elsewhere.

Wisdom from above is first gentle and then easy to be entreated.
Our wisdom can be nothing but trash.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Going back to the original question -- what is sanctification -- what Dave M. was asking. I don't want to loose this post.

Greetings,

a little shift here and a little there and we have a new line.

Sanctification is this a on going process or a one time thing?

Going back to the original question -- what is sanctification -- what Dave M. was asking.

so going along with that, i shall bend it a little further, after all, why not?

What is the LORD's sanctification to you (everyone)?
How about talking about Jesus and sharing what you think or believe He has done regarding your sanctification and what you are now able to do with your new life?

reading through pages of members trying to prove some Scriptural definition gets a little boring and somewhat frustrating when you all are not working together for good.

Thank you Dave for bringing this subject up.

For some it appears to be a gradual thing, so tell us how that is in day to day in real terms so we can be encouraged in love and for those who consider to have been once sanctified, tell us how that is for you and how you can daily be contagious to those real people you ever walk amongst.
Maybe some have others wanting to know what and how it is about you that the sanctification has worked in and for you?

Let's get praising the Lord Who sanctifieth.

[I would also recommend that we ought to quietly set some time apart and hear from the Lord what His Sanctification is from His perspective and see if your present level of Biblical grasp meets anywhere near to His.]

But please can we engage in some sharing of His love and how His love sanctifies the unbeliever, the lost and the wounded, the hopeless and the blind and dumb.

Jesus is Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I don't have "eternal security"..

but you do have His Word on it. He is faithful.
hope is about that. Do you have any hope?

The world does not have hope. Can you , can i , can any of us share that hope with any who do not have it and are wanting it so bad but don't realise they are going the wrong and lost direction?

If your (or mine or anyone's) hope is not steadfast in Him, you have no anchor to your soul. The hope we have is an eternal Hope as God is eternal and His promise (His Word) is eternal and we need to get into His time frame and get walking and leaping and praising the Lord so others can see and marvel at the name of Jesus Christ, our hope and our Rock.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]