What Is Faith?

[Curtis]

By this you mean getting born again.

Jesus said......

John 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

A decision must first be made, "i am going to do the will of God what ever it is", before God lets him know what it is, or he will never get it.
Most people say, "tell me what the will of God is first, and then i will decide whether or not I will do it."

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Jesus said......

John 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.

A decision must first be made, "i am going to do the will of God what ever it is", before God lets him know what it is, or he will never get it.
Most people say, "tell me what the will of God is first, and then i will decide whether or not I will do it."

You have been saying the unsaved have to have the Word in them on order to be saved and now turning to scriptures talking about knowing God's Will.

His Will for man is the same.
His Will is His Word.

Now He has a different plan for every ones life but His Will is the Same.

 

[Curtis]

You have been saying the unsaved have to have the Word in them on order to be saved and now turning to scriptures talking about knowing God's Will.

His Will for man is the same.
His Will is His Word.

Now He has a different plan for every ones life but His Will is the Same.

Nobody is saved without first hearing the Word of God. No body gets saved and then believe. Knowing God's will is he wants all men to be saved. The measure of faith can only come by the Word of God, because he who gives that measure is the Word.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Nobody is saved without first hearing the Word of God. No body gets saved and then believe. Knowing God's will is he wants all men to be saved. The measure of faith can only come by the Word of God, because he who gives that measure is the Word.

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

No Body is not correct.
Many have cried out to God in a time of desperation and knew nothing about God and God moved.

Hearing the Word and obeying the conviction and surrendering unto Jesus is one thing, but this that you say the unsaved need to understand God's Word as to build up their faith to be saved is not totally correct.

Unsaved can gain SOME knowledge from God's Word as far as knowing they need to be saved.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Born Again 2004 said: ↑
At least we all can agree :You don't find it, you don't make it....it is given by God's grace, a gift! Then it grows by hearing the word of God.

Please can you explain to me 'what' faith grows?

I a can only explain what faith means to me and how the Bible supports this feeling:

• Basically, for me, it is a matter of BC and AC..Before Christ , I look back and I can honestly say I had no faith( except maybe in myself and abilities) and had no idea what it was. After Christ, my faith abounds, I have no problem knowing where it comes from and what it is!
• Quite honestly, when I was a new Christian ( Born Again), I knew I had something, didn't know what exactly, except that he Bible called me a knew person. That and other verse help me identify myself and what I had was true:

1. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. I didn't manufacture or come up with it by myself...Faith was a gift of God. I think it is one of the "first fruits' that I exhibited shortly after he came inside me!
2. Hebrews 11:1 1Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. God evens defines it for me and I agree it is me: I have this hope in a life after death
3. Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. Further explanation that it is all of him and none of me!
4. Romans 10:17 7 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. Since, I know where my faith started, I take it that this means how my faith grows....I see and experience this and believe it is true!

What faith grows? The faith that all this true!

 

[Curtis]

No Body is not correct.
Many have cried out to God in a time of desperation and knew nothing about God and God moved.

Hearing the Word and obeying the conviction and surrendering unto Jesus is one thing, but this that you say the unsaved need to understand God's Word as to build up their faith to be saved is not totally correct.

Unsaved can gain SOME knowledge from God's Word as far as knowing they need to be saved.

Unless you want to go by what you have heard, instead of what the Word of God says is not a good foundation to stand on. By faith we understand....who can believe (have faith) in something they don't understand?
The Lord gives Wisdom, out of his mouth come knowledge, and understanding. What comes out of the mouth of God? Words which equals knowledge, understanding, and the measure of faith....

 

[Curtis]

you say the unsaved need to understand God's Word as to build up their faith to be saved

I never said anyone needed to build up faith to get saved. You don't need to build up faith, you just need faith. Building up faith has to do with believing in other areas other than salvation.

 

[KingJ]

All believers have faith in their salvation, but not all have faith for healing of their body. How can faith in one area not cover the other?

What faith do we have for our salvation and what faith don't we have for healing?

 

[KingJ]

Born Again 2004 said: ↑
At least we all can agree :You don't find it, you don't make it....it is given by God's grace, a gift! Then it grows by hearing the word of God.

I a can only explain what faith means to me and how the Bible supports this feeling:

• Basically, for me, it is a matter of BC and AC..Before Christ , I look back and I can honestly say I had no faith( except maybe in myself and abilities) and had no idea what it was. After Christ, my faith abounds, I have no problem knowing where it comes from and what it is!
• Quite honestly, when I was a new Christian ( Born Again), I knew I had something, didn't know what exactly, except that he Bible called me a knew person. That and other verse help me identify myself and what I had was true:

1. Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. I didn't manufacture or come up with it by myself...Faith was a gift of God. I think it is one of the "first fruits' that I exhibited shortly after he came inside me!
2. Hebrews 11:1 1Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. God evens defines it for me and I agree it is me: I have this hope in a life after death
3. Romans 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. Further explanation that it is all of him and none of me!
4. Romans 10:17 7 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. Since, I know where my faith started, I take it that this means how my faith grows....I see and experience this and believe it is true!

What faith grows? The faith that all this true!

Thanks for your detailed reply.

God's gift / Christian faith is faith in Jesus being Lord. This is a faith given to us. Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3.

Eph 2:8-9 is talking about this faith in Jesus given to us. It encompasses faith in Jesus's death and resurrection being able to save us from our sins. So, to clarify it is: faith that Jesus's death on the cross saves us from sins.

Heb 11:1 is defining faith. It does not answer what our faith is in. I could have hope and assurance in grey aliens.

Rom 12:3 This is talking about our faith in Jesus, given to us by God. Pretty much inline with Eph 2:8-9. It also touches on the faith in God we grow in. If God for example answers a personal prayer of ours in a special way, that is faith in Him that has grown considerably.

Rom 10:17 The context of ''faith'' here is ''Christian faith''. Not '''faith'''. Christian faith / IE faith in Jesus / IE faith in the Christian God comes from...

My frustration comes from people not defining their faith. As today faith is completely miss-taught and not properly grasped. I don't know if faith teachers are false teachers or themselves completely confused Christians.

Faith doesn't have to be confusing. We just have to properly define the type of faith we are referring to. You have been saved by faith in Jesus. You grow in faith in Jesus. In God. Your faith in God being good and true to His word grows daily.

When faith is made to be a stand alone word it can remove Jesus and Christian faith from the discussion. Become a whole religion on it's own.

 

[Curtis]

What faith do we have for our salvation and what faith don't we have for healing?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Faith comes by hearing the gospel of our salvation. Salvation comes by hearing that message, believing it, and then confessing it.
Nobody can have faith in Jesus until they "first" have the faith of Jesus, which comes by hearing the Word of God.

how do you think faith comes for healing?

 

[KingJ]

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Faith comes by hearing the gospel of our salvation. Salvation comes by hearing that message, believing it, and then confessing it.
Nobody can have faith in Jesus until they "first" have the faith of Jesus, which comes by hearing the Word of God.

how do you think faith comes for healing?

1 Cor 12:3 Nobody can call Jesus Lord, except by the Holy Spirit. You are not saved because you believed. Because you confessed. You literally have the cart before the horse.

Jesus has to be revealed to us. We confess Him as Lord after this revelation. It can happen at the same time. The important thing to grasp is that if God does not reveal Himself to us, we can confess all day long and still not change one bit. Do you disagree?

Now the Christian position is one where they have been given this faith to believe Jesus is Lord, God. Has been resurrected, can and will wash us clean of our sins. We live and operate with this faith. This is not faith that needs to grow. We either have it or we don't. We can either truthfully call and know Jesus as Lord or we can't.

So our faith is not '''I believe I believe I believe'' brainwashing that Jesus saves us. It is an absolute faith. Like faith in gravity. Only called faith because God is currently residing in heaven.

Now you ask what faith we need for healing. Certainly not 'our' belief. You believe we save ourselves? We can affect our own healing?

Faith you need for salvation is faith in Jesus being Lord. Because if He is not Lord, His death was in vein.

Faith you need for healing is faith in the God you serve 1. Caring about you, 2. Having the power to heal. Both these we receive when we grasp what God did on the cross. His power and love is perfectly evident.

So, please answer my question. What faith is needed for healing? You don't want to say it. You are evading. The word faith is like 'drive'. What car do you drive? Where do you drive it to? You can't say ''drive' / have faith''. I am just asking you, what car do you drive??? Where are you driving to?? I expect an answer like, A Ford Focus, driving to New York. Not quoting scripture that talks about driving.

Faith in what??????

If you cannot give a direct answer you leave the reader to assume you believe ''our'' faith saves and affects healing. That type of faith for healing is true for the unsaved. Like those at the time of Jesus who just wanted a miracle. This is NOT the case with Christians. Children of God. Those who walk and talk to Jesus all day. Not looking for a once off 'sign and wonder'. If a Christian lives like this or encourages other to live like this, how can I not question their Christianity? It is as if they don't know God...?

 

[Curtis]

You are not saved because you believed. Because you confessed.

Sorry, but confessing does nothing unless you first believe. You can not believe until you first hear the Word.

Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

 

[Curtis]

Faith you need for healing is faith in the God you serve

Faith in God comes from faith in his Word from where it comes from. If you don't know what the Word says about healing, and never confess that Word then you have no faith to experience that healing.

 

[KingJ]

Sorry, but confessing does nothing unless you first believe. You can not believe until you first hear the Word.

Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?

Paul is talking here in Romans about leading them to the water. A Christian is someone who has already drunk the water. The water is God's doing, not ours. That is a revelation of Jesus. You cannot believe unless it is revealed to you Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3 Nobody can call Jesus Lord, except by the Holy Spirit.

 

[KingJ]

Faith in God comes from faith in his Word from where it comes from. If you don't know what the Word says about healing, and never confess that Word then you have no faith to experience that healing.

What faith in God? I already have faith in God caring about me.

You are pushing faith in our ability to affect a positive outcome with God by confessing random scriptures that appear to have something to do with healing. That is not faith in God or His word. That is faith in yourself. What scriptures in His word do you quote / need to hear and believe?

 

[Curtis]

What faith in God? I already have faith in God caring about me.

You are pushing faith in our ability to affect a positive outcome with God by confessing random scriptures that appear to have something to do with healing. That is not faith in God or His word. That is faith in yourself. What scriptures in His word do you quote / need to hear and believe?

You can have faith in your salvation, and have zero faith for healing unless you know what scripture says, and confess it out of your mouth so that you will faith in that area. Basic Christianity 101.

 

[Curtis]

You are pushing faith in our ability to affect a positive outcome with God

My words means nothing, God's Word is where the power is to affect change. God's Word does the work not mans.

 

[Curtis]

Paul is talking here in Romans about leading them to the water.

Are you really saying you don't understand this scripture? How about this translation....

Rom 10:13 For everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord [invoking Him as Lord] will be saved. [Joe_2:32]
Rom 10:14 But how are people to call upon Him Whom they have not believed [in Whom they have no faith, on Whom they have no reliance]? And how are they to believe in Him [adhere to, trust in, and rely upon Him] of Whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher? (AMP)

 

[KingJ]

You can have faith in your salvation, and have zero faith for healing unless you know what scripture says, and confess it out of your mouth so that you will faith in that area. Basic Christianity 101.

That is not basic Christianity. Are you being serious?

I don't have to tell my kid I just gave my life for that I care about them and the condition of their broken leg.

I do have to let my kid tell the neighbors kid though.

If my kid needs to hold to promises specifically to do with healing, I would wonder daily if he was my kid.

 

[KingJ]

My words means nothing, God's Word is where the power is to affect change. God's Word does the work not mans.

Scripture? I want to know these magical scriptures we need to know for healing. These scriptures that cause God of the universe to jump when we say jump.